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Advice and help with my boyfriend's parents please, am I the problem?

85 replies

anonhope · 24/03/2020 12:45

Just for some context: My boyfriend and I have been together for three years since we were 16, and we're 19 now. Our relationship hasn't been without some very rough periods and scenarios, and I have thought about breaking up with him on numerous occasions, but never had the 'final straw' moment. He has tendencies to be quite emotionally manipulative and invasive of personal boundaries, I've raised those issues with him over time and we've worked through most of them, although he does sometimes slip back into old habits. He also has a tendency to react to situations that he doesn't like with threats or manipulation, which, if he ever does now, I tell him that he is doing and he tends to calm down. I would say that he tries his best and that I've grown stronger as a person and I can quickly identify these negative behaviours, so tend to no longer put myself into situations that would trigger these reactions from him.

A lot of our issues, in my opinion, was that I liked my space, I liked spending time on my own, and could go long periods of time without seeing him. I also struggle with social anxiety and I have always found going to his house (his parents') really unnerving and would have to get myself worked up for it. His extended family are a whole other matter, and I've always felt like they find me a bit odd and really don't like me. I could be wrong, but they've never come across as particularly warm or inviting. Therefore, over time I've also come to avoid situations that involve them, I probably see them around once a year, which to me is normal (we're talking about Cousins, Second Cousins and Aunts and Uncles, not Grandparents). His parents have always been nice to me, and (as far as I'm aware) I think that they like me, but they're not particularly expressive and I sometimes think that they behave in ways that they think are appropriate, rather than in a warm or welcoming way. I don't mind them, I do find them to be a bit judgemental and controlling sometimes, but nothing that has ever been unbearable, and they have always made an effort.

The issue: I now haven't seen them since September, and I have a lot of guilt about it. But, I equally can't seem to be able to work out what the issue is. Just for some more context, my boyfriend is at University and lives around two hours away by train from me (I'm still at home with my parents), he comes home during the holidays, but we have gotten into the pattern of him coming and staying at my house for (a few nights or a week at a time) throughout the holidays. We don't really tend to go out or do fun things anymore. I really don't think he minds, he decides when he wants to come and go, I don't put any pressure on him, and honestly he never really invites me round to his house anymore (he knows that I tend to get quite anxious). There has been a few (like three or four) occasions where his parents have asked me out for dinner (indirectly, through my boyfriend) that I haven't been able to attend for genuine reasons, over the past six months. I always feel guilty when I can't go, because I know that they're making an effort, but equally, I always feel a bit annoyed with myself for feeling guilty, because they don't ask if or when I'm free, or ever communicate with me directly (unless they're texting to say thank you for a birthday present or something). They tend to just book a restaurant of their choice for a day that they choose, and then ask me if I can go. I guess it doesn't feel very 'adult' and it feels a bit like it should work both ways. Similarly, I've had a lot going on in my family life over the past six months. My Mum has been pretty ill and has had four lots of surgery since September, and has been off sick from work for the entire period, and has been stuck at home for months at a time. I've been at home with her most of the time, and have essentially been her carer, and ran the house. I also worked over the Christmas period and didn't really have any spare time with that and my mum being in the hospital around Christmas. Honestly, I've felt emotionally drained and like I've not had the energy to put myself into situations that I find anxious, and have probably become agoraphobic.

I suppose I can't work out if I should be feeling guilty or not. I can't work out whether these life circumstances are a reason or a justification, or whether this is a surface-level symptom of a deeper problem, whether with my boyfriend or his family or I don't know what. I know that this can't carry on forever, and I desperately don't want to cause offence because I'm in for the long haul I think, and I can't stand the idea of people not liking me. I could just do with some advice and words of wisdom with this whole issue, about whether this is serious, if I'm being silly. I'm wondering whether the issue could be communication, after all, I don't really know what my boyfriend tells them or how much they know of my current life circumstances. Help and advice, please.

OP posts:
I0NA · 24/03/2020 14:08

Where is your university town in relation to your parents home and where your Bf is studying ?

I ask because I think you need a whole new start in life in September, away from your boyfriend and your old friendship group. These should be some of the best few years of your life. I’m sure this is what your parents want for you too.

anon25857 · 24/03/2020 14:13

@I0NA

I haven't decided where I'm going to University yet- I have one where I would live at home, one about an hour away from home and a couple in London. I live in the North, my boyfriend lives in London for University (my University offers are about half an hour away from his University in London and he's supposed to be studying abroad next year) and he lives around 20 minutes away from me when he is at home.

SexIsAProtectedCharacteristic · 24/03/2020 14:20

Mate I would go to the university furthest away from your bf if I'm honest.

100% agree with everyone saying a) it shouldn't be this hard work b) your bf is abusive c) please get rid and find some joy in your life

FinallyHere · 24/03/2020 14:30

can't stand the idea of people not liking me

While I'm not seeing any sign that the BF is adding anything to you life, this is the sentence that jumped out at me. Wanting to be liked by everyone, even needing to be so, can only be exhausting. It's good to be kind, polite even friendly but accepting that not everyone will really like you and that that is absolutely fine, nothing wrong with that, would free up a lot of your energy to do, well, whatever you want.

To be yourself.

University is a wonderful opportunity to find out more about yourself, to find your 'tribe'

Make the most of it.

tegucigalpa13 · 24/03/2020 14:34

a) it shouldn't be this hard work b) your bf is abusive c) please get rid and find some joy in your life

This.

Also you should be practicing social distancing now and have the perfect excuse to keep away from both him and his family.

I0NA · 24/03/2020 15:38

So you are holding four conditional or unconditional offers ? Well you will have to decide by 1 May.

I suggest you think very carefully about your options for courses and also about things with your BF. This is not a healthy relationship and maybe you will see that more clearly when you are away from him.

It’s good that you have been caring for your mum but I’m sure that she would want you to go off to uni and have a great time.

If you are close to your parents then I’m surprised they don’t see how anxious your BF makes you, especially if he lives in their house for up to a week at a time. Aren’t they concerned ?

billy1966 · 24/03/2020 15:50

OP, if you were married, I'd be telling you to leave him...

What tge heck are you doing wasting your life on someone and a situation thatvis such hard work...

Move on...
Flowers

DontBe · 24/03/2020 16:00

Of course it’s hard when you’re in the middle of it. I used to suppress any feelings of doubt I had. I ignored all the red flags because I thought I loved him and thought we would have a life together. Then we broke up and I just felt relief. Looking back now, now I’m with DH and we are married with children I can’t believe what I tolerated and thought was normal. It’s only now I realise what a happy loving relationship is. You aren’t in one.

sunnyday45 · 24/03/2020 19:12

I was in a very similar relationship when I was your age but with someone I now realise was a narcissist. It was my first proper "grown up" relationship. I met him during my last year at school at 18, and after an exhausting, complicated almost 3 years, I finally broke it off just before I turned 21.

I can see myself at your age in your post. Honestly I swear to you there are better happier relationships out there and a future with the right person for you. Please don't settle because he is your first love and you've been together a long time for your age.

I thought I was in love, it was my first proper adult relationship and I had nothing else to compare it to. I just kept getting this gut feeling that things weren't right. There were some toxic elements to his behaviour that were very clear, but I excused them because I was young and naive and you can't learn these things without experience of them. He'd be so sorry and go all out to make it up to me etc, whilst subtly placing the blame on me for his behaviour in the first place. There were also more subtle things going on though that I found it hard to put my finger on. A constant feeling that there were things bubbling beneath the surface that I couldn't really make sense of, put into words or explain. Things just felt so different and never right or straightforward. It was gut instinct, and I'm so glad I listened to it. 20 years on and I still thank god I finally made the decision to end it, it was so complicated and exhausting always second guessing. A good relationship doesn't feel like that, but if I hadn't ended things I'd have never known that! Even if you try having a break, if ending things suddenly seems too much, please just try life without this relationship for a while. You are young and should be having fun, do you feel you need to be in a relationship? I did and it was so scary ending it and not having that familiar relationship anymore. I had fun dating and learning more about myself and the type of guy that was right for me and GOOD for me. If things are this complex now they will only get worse, it sounds like you're both relying on the security and habit of the relationship and I can see why, you are each other's first loves and don't know any different or what could be better.

I promise you though there are better relationships out there, without experiencing them though you'll never know! I was so wrung out all the time with my ex, you sound similar to how I was at 19. I was a home bird too, and found the big wide world after I finished school a scary place. By the time I was 21 though I ended the relationship that was outweighed by negatives and going nowhere, I was scared but I felt ready to go it alone and see what was out there! I had fun meeting new people, dating, working and 2 years later I met my dh. I kissed some frogs but had learned what I wanted from a relationship, and this one with my now dh felt right. 16 years on we're still happy, married, have kids, and ok it's not perfect, all relationships have their ups and downs, but it still feels right, we are right for each other. That was a gut feeling, we both had it. If I hadn't ended that relationship when I was younger though I wouldn't have got the experience of then having different boyfriends / learning what was right for me and eventually knowing with my dh he was the one for me and my future.

If you find ending it too final then I suggest a break. Go to uni, meet new people, forget the old friends that weren't good ones, you learn who are the decent ones through experience as well. You'll make new friends. Live a full life as a 19 year old and enjoy it, don't feel guilty about him or his family, you have to do what's best for you!

HelenUrth · 24/03/2020 19:23

At 19, having spent 3 years with someone is s long time. Imagine if you live to 79 or 89 and stay with him.
That's 60 or 70 years of being treated badly and not listened to.
We on Mumsnet dont want that for you. Please dont want that for yourself either.

Please also work on why you feel the need to be liked, feeling like that puts you in danger of accepting unacceptable behaviour from people.

Bienentrinkwasser · 24/03/2020 19:29

At 19 you should be having fun. I’m not saying don’t be in a relationship but be with someone who makes you laugh, doesn’t come with baggage, and has time for you (that works both ways).

I actually met DH at 19. We didn’t end up together until I was 23. We both had other priorities before that.

Wetcarparkrain · 24/03/2020 19:39

I’m now in my forties and friends and I have discussed that having the ‘perfect’ parent model of meeting in teens, marrying young, being blissfully together like lobsters can almost hold you back (I’m in ireland, where there was huge social pressure for my parents generation to follow this model). Life and society and opportunities have changed so much.

Also, it just might not be your thing that you are going to meet the love of your life at 16! There is more than one road to follow.

I’m so glad now I had so many interesting and horrifying and fun and inappropriate and crazy and sometimes dull relationships in my twenties! I was almost horrified when I met the love of my life at 30! I was literally having the most fun year of my life, having had my heart shattered a year earlier. Now that I am settled, all those memories and experiences are so important to me - a life fully lived according to who I am.

Obviously this is not to suggest that you HAVE to have a messy and crazy twenties - of course not - but just to reiterate that there is a lot of life out there to be lived. I know a lot of couples that limped on until mid twenties and then fell apart. Make sure you’re both in it for the right reasons.

fibeee · 25/03/2020 14:15

I see a lot of parallels between this and a long term relationship I was in at 19. Now that I’m in my 30s I would advise you to

A - bin him. Threats and manipulation are massive red flags and his treatment of you will only get worse. No one should need to “try their best” to not behave like this.

B - spend some time alone working on yourself and your mental health. Don’t just accept your mental health issues and expect others to always work around them. I’m getting the impression that his family probably see you as “difficult” hence why they don’t make much effort to integrate you into the family after 3 years. I don’t say this to be cruel but because I recognise the same situation from my own past.

C - stop giving into your desire to avoid what makes you uncomfortable. With this approach years down the line your comfort zone will be tiny and your mental health issues much worse. Get a good counsellor you connect with if you don’t have one already. Find a career you enjoy, travel, find hobbies, date, do things with friends. You have plenty of time to find a life partner.

You seem like you have an uneasy feeling about the relationship but just can’t quite pinpoint the issue. In my personal experience this is your gut telling you to run.

fibeee · 25/03/2020 14:23

Just read through your posts above and see you’re off to uni soon. I cannot think of a better time than now for a fresh start. You will go through so much change and growth over the next number of years. Please don’t waste the opportunity and drag deadwood from your past into it.

FlowerArranger · 25/03/2020 14:38

How much of the 90% of time when he is kind is due to you tending to no longer put myself into situations that would trigger these reactions from him?

You'll be walking on eggshells forevermore if you stay with him. He may currently be able to (mostly) keep his emotionally manipulative behaviour and invasion of your personal boundaries in check, but what do you think will happen once he has you trapped with a wedding band and children. Do you really want to risk it?

You are so very young. Please listen to the wise witches of Mumsnet; we know whereof we speak... Go to university, but be sure to choose a college as far away from him as possible. Study, work hard, and have fun. Flowers

FlowerArranger · 25/03/2020 14:41

Oh, nearly forgot: I second AttilaTheMeerkat's suggestion - do read WOMEN WHO LOVE TOO MUCH, by Robin Norwood.

PlanDeRaccordement · 25/03/2020 14:53

OP you don’t have a boyfriend. In reading your posts- you barely see him and the last time was eight months ago, he mistreats you via manipulation and playing with your emotions, his family are distant/don’t view you as a serious girlfriend, etc.
What you have is a friend with benefits. You are just the girl he knows is good for a quickie in town X (like a sailor).

And I say this as someone who HAS successfully had a long distance relationship. What you have isn’t one.

You are 19. Nothing wrong with that, after all I married at 20. So it’s not your age that is why I am saying this. You are not too young to be in love or have met the love of your life. But the relationship you describe is that of old school FWBs, not a real serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. There is so much more that you deserve. I think you should forget about this man and be open to a new relationship with someone else who treats you well and wants to share their life with you.

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 15:10

@fibeee

I agree with you that I need to work on my mental health. I don't want to live my life feeling anxious and I don't want to feel controlled by my emotions and live my life around it, which I definitely do. I think you've hit the nail on the head with saying that I can't expect other people to live around my issues, I think that that I know that really, and that is probably where my guilt comes from. I think I've realised that his parents aren't really the issue in this, more that they don't fit into my small bubble of what I feel comfortable with, and I've had a hard time adapting to that. I suppose it doesn't help that we were so young, and I probably wasn't ready for a 'proper' relationship at 16, but I really quickly found myself in one. You're right they probably do find me difficult. I suppose that it is out of my control as to whether they understand it or not, and I don't know how much they get told or how much they know about what's been going on in my life... and I suppose that's out of my control too. I know I'm a good person at heart and I always try my best- even if that is restricted by anxiety. I do think I need to swallow my pride and try counselling though...

BlingLoving · 25/03/2020 15:10

Honestly, OP, at this age, relationships should be easy and fun. And you shouldn't be having niggling doubts but rather be constantly desperate to see him and spend time with him. I look back on my relationships and even just my crushes in my late teens/early 20s and the thing they all have in common is that I felt that this person was everything I wanted and needed in that moment. It ws only as I got older and my relationships and needs got more complex that I saw my partners as more complex and nuanced and appreciated that they weren't necessarily perfect.

If it's this hard, move on. It shouldn't be hard. Hard is what happens after you've made a long term commitment and real life happens.

Also, if he can't be supportive of you while your mother is ill, then that alone is a reason to bin him.

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 15:12

@PlanDeRaccordement

It's his parents I haven't seen in six months, I saw him last week, but I can see what you're saying.

pallisers · 25/03/2020 15:13

you are 19. Just break up with him. You are not supposed to be 16,17,18 and having rough periods and scenarios and niggling doubts like you are a middle aged woman struggling through her relationship because she has 3 children and a mortgage.

Come on. you aren't getting on. Just break up and move on.

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 15:19

@pallisers

I know that it might seem as simple as that, but he is really integrated into my life and family, and it's much more complicated than that. The rough periods were mostly when I was 16 and 17 (which is probably worse, I know) but it makes it harder now because it goes in phases when it's great and I'm really happy, and the phases when I have doubts and we don't get on so well, but how do I know that that's not normal? I don't have anything to base it off. I wouldn't want to break up with him and have it be a massive mistake and regret it.

I0NA · 25/03/2020 15:24

You don’t live together, work together, socialise together, have kids together, own a house together, you are not married , I bet you don’t even have a joint bank account.

How complicated can it be to split up? If you want to ,of course?

I asked you before about your parents and why they aren’t concerned when he treats you badly and you are unhappy .

pallisers · 25/03/2020 15:26

well you could take my word for it that it isn't normal. I have been married for more than 25 years. Relationships are supposed to make your life easier and nicer.

If you are married for 25 years and have a lot invested then you might make the decision to stick with an ok relationship because it can be great at times and is never truly bad. But you are 19! You have years ahead of you to meet people. Why are you so terrified of losing this guy?

anon25857 · 25/03/2020 15:31

@IONA

The simple answer is that they don't know and I don't tell them. I never wanted them to dislike him and I don't really like the idea of sharing arguments and stuff with my parents. I'm quite private about it. He's always really nice to them and they get on well. He spends a lot of time with us in a family setting which is why I say that he is integrated into the family, he has come on holiday with us twice and I've been on holiday with his parents once.

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