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My mother in law is in competition with me

92 replies

Justgettingthrough · 28/02/2020 22:05

Hi everyone. I have never posted in anything like this before but I am so stressed out and upset. My evening has been ruined by yet another comment by my husbands mother.....the declaration that my daughter’s child minder is my child’s favourite woman in the world. It feels malicious. A few weeks ago it was my daughters birthday, I made her a cake. We visited friends who also made my daughter a cake. The cake my friend made was lovely and my husband happened to show his mother a picture. She took to opportunities to run it in that my friend had made my daughter her best birthday cake. She gets jealous when my daughter comes to me for comfort and if we’re in the company of others who ask me questions about my child, she answers them for me. I can’t tell anymore if I’m making a big deal out of nothing because I now have so much animosity towards her or if she genuinely is being nasty. I once confronted her about a situation and she made me feel like I was being silly for being upset. I am trying to keep the peace but i am on the point of exploding. I don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
SpaceDinosaur · 29/02/2020 21:13

Don't invite her over.
If she makes a vicious comment, say goodbye and leave. Every single time.
If she weasels her way into your home and makes a comment: "oh DD, say goodbye to granny, she's going now"

Granny "no I'm not"

"That's a shame, well, DD and I will leave then."

P999 · 29/02/2020 23:24

I bitterly regret not challenging my exMIL over her toxic, undermining behaviour. My wimp of an ex told me it was between her and me. But like an idiot i tried to ignore it. It gave her a license to ramp it up. Im with the poster who said dont play games but challenge her, calmly, head on. Easier said than done. I know. But its totally unacceptable. After i split from my ex, the tesentment i felt for her exploded. And i sent dome of the most brutal emails ive ever written to her. Telling her exactly what i thought of her. Too late. Damage done. But felt good. My blowtorch moment. She still shit stirs when she can. She cant help herself. These types never change. But if you set firm boundaries and have zero tolerance she might have no choice but to listen up. She has very little power next to you. You are DDs mother. She does NOT undermine you. She does NOT answer for you. She needs to know her fucking place. (and breathe...). Please dont doubt yourself. Shes a bitch and is probably too old and deluded to change. But that doesnt mean you should shrug your shoulders and put up with it. If i could have my time again... Good luck

BrokenMumTeenDD · 29/02/2020 23:34

Best way to deal with people like this & I've known a few.

Laugh & reply "don't be silly MIL" & change the subject. Don't give her the attention she craves.

BrokenMumTeenDD · 29/02/2020 23:34

& your DH needs to step up & sort her out

P999 · 29/02/2020 23:39

If you laugh it off, she will carry on. Or worse, it will escalate. If shes anything like my exMIL. These people think they have a right and a license to behave in this way because people dont challenge them. Sorry. But i feel i know this type inside out. Games dont work with them. In fact, they play into their hands. If she wants to be a part of your DDs life, she needs to shape up. Why should you put up with her toxic crap? You bloody shouldnt. Flowers

Pandamoore · 29/02/2020 23:44

Oh dear. Grandmama is a big old narcissist. Keep your child away from her.

WeirdMoments · 01/03/2020 00:40

I believed that ignoring and rising above is the best answer but indeed that wasn’t and it caused things to ramp up like a pp said.

I often don’t understand that advice. Being dismissive doesn’t work with everyone I think. Unless you will follow it with some sort of consequence ?

In some situations we aren’t able to limit contact (are you ?) to protect ourselves and so we need to challenge the toxic person to make it difficult for them to increase.

I would say it really depends on few factors, ur context and relationship how you deal with her.

There are multiple options which work for different people but not all of them work for the same person:

For me as long as you choose a response where you are in control of the response and not being reactive/emotive then you are fine.. by that I mean, it’s a response based on what you logically believe is the best way to handle things and not something you come up with while upset at the moment to make yourself feel better.. because while justified, but putting you in a position to defend yourself and act on emotions is exactly how she might be feeding this power imbalance. Maintaining your logic and responding does not aim to change the persons behaviour but to outline how you accept to be treated. Whether it’s from DH or from MIL in this situation.

If DH is the one that is the missing link and causing stress to the relationship because he is enabling his mother, then choose a response that will tackle exactly that...

1- call her out politely in front of him then speak to him in private about what is acceptable to u and what’s not
2- involve him in the discussion “oh darling, haha, your mum thinks our daughter’s favourite is the nanny, tell her how much our daughter loves her mummy”.
3- highlight how your DH is on your side and get him to confirm it “oh MIL, DH tells me all the time how the bond I have with our daughter is soo special, so you’re mistaken. Don’t you agree DH?”
4- use humour, “OH DH, mother in law believes your daughter prefers the nanny over you and me, hahaha in her dreams”..

All this in front of her. In this case MIL only cares about competing for her sons attention by undermining you and so give her the trophy of directing her sons positive attention unto you so that HE dismisses her attempt of undermining you. If your DH is conflict avoidant and would blame you for rising to his mums bait, mainly because he can’t handle it.. then don’t rise to her bait... BUT, also, don’t give him the satisfaction of not sharing that burden with you.

If DH isn’t the issue, and he is mildly supportive behind the scenes then try Agree on an approach toeggehr

1- ignoring her comments and not giving her attention that she craves, but then limiting contact
2- politely making her answer to you about what she is saying by asking her to confirm if you heard correctly.. loudly and slowly so that everyone can hear and she doesn’t get to play innocent lamb. Perhaps asking her “where do you think I fall in my daughters list of favourites mother in law hahaha ?”. Don’t be confrontational in public as people are not comfortable picking sides usually and especially if it’s THE matriarch who mastered the art of guilt tripping them for YEARs. But give room to the surrounding people to handle conflict in a way that they see fit to their relationship with her. So, stay polite but make her answer to you and mainly to everyone that can hear.. because those toxic people hide behind their masks of niceties and need it for survival and she will be forced to say something polite and retract what she said.. slowly making her realise it will make her lose authority in the eyes of those around her and so she needs to stop targeting you. If she has to choose between her inflated sense of authority and her need to pretend to be nice and victim so that everyone stays on her side , then she will struggle. Let her bloody struggle.
3- if she is surrounded by people that will tell her she is wrong (unlikely as otherwise she wouldn’t be too comfortable in her attitude), then you can firmly lay out the boundaries to her about how you don’t accept to be spoken to this way. But this is unlikely to work as she will have half a dozen people singing to her fake tune as these passive aggressive people mastered it
4- ....

Anyway there are multiple approaches.

Just first realise you don’t need to be a victim. You aren’t in need to react and defend yourself. You are in a relationship with her WILLINGLY and so can set your own boundaries whether with her enabling son- if he is, or with her directly.

Just do so in a way that’s appropriate for your desired outcome and so define what boundaries you want to accept for yourself and work around that.

Gutterton · 01/03/2020 10:48

Christ far too much like hard work - why would you endure this level of headfuckery and having to be ten steps ahead in her nasty game?

in some situations we aren’t able to limit contact (are you ?) to protect ourselves

Why ever not?
Just cut her out of your life.

PanamaPattie · 01/03/2020 11:01

Is DH an only child?

AgentJohnson · 01/03/2020 17:34

Play her at her own game. The best way of dealing with these types is holding up a mirror to their behaviour. When she says something, just repeat what she says back to her 5 decibels louder, followed by a fake smile.

Take your H to one side and make it clear that you will call her out every single time because her behaviour is unacceptable and you don’t want your DD growing up to think that it is.

Personally, I couldn’t be arsed dealing with her kind of bullshit.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 01/03/2020 17:49

OP I had a relative very much likeyour MIL..infact she used to find me jobs to do whenever we visited so keen was she to separate me from my daughter,yes ,her jealousy was that bad.We would be inone room and she would watlz my daughter off to another,if we followed there would be the look and the sour face and one word answers from her. She would do anything and i mean anything to be number 1 with my daughter. I was distraught time and time again and I had that sick feeling in my tummy for days before we had to visit her, She had a list to keep me busy whilst playing the doting one, I wracked my brains to try to fathom it out time after time til one day I had enough.I was washing up as I recall and she ws being her usual self and she said to me "when you have done that I need you to go to the supermarket and take your time We,(her and my daughter) dont want to see you for a coupleof hours at least",,,I saw red and this is the one and only time, for I am as non confrontational as you can get. I grabbed her arm,pulled her into the kitchen and I whispered to her as quietly as you like.".excuse me who the fuck do you think you are and who the fuck do you think you are talking to ? Carry on go on just carry on and I swear I will make sure you never see any of us again " I was calm yet shaking inside but my goodness she got the message,Never again did I have anything from her,She was as good as gold after that, Whilst I am not proud of me for having to stoop so low I cannot say I wouldnt do it again in all honesty,Shut her down do it once and do it properly ,put her in her place and if you do it right like me you will hopefully never have to do it again,I put up with it for 4 years please dont let her drive you to the brink, I wish you well..

mummmy2017 · 01/03/2020 17:53

Turn everything she says into a complimentary remark
It will drive her nuts.
Friend makes best cake.
Omg that cake was lush. We inviting her for tea on the understanding she bakes more.
DD loves the babysitter more.
Oh yes it's brilliant, I never worry the DD will be unhappy.
DD hugging you. I know we are so blessed by this little darling.
People can only upset you if you let them.

Brazi103 · 01/03/2020 18:00

GreenTulips has it. Call her out on it and put her on the spot loudly. Let the room come to silence waiting for her answer. Humiliate her in front of everyone so that she knows not to try it with you.

Dont 'ignore' her or say nothing. Hate that advice. Toxic people love it when they get silence. To them it encourages them to get bigger and better in their toxic ways. Silence to them means they have got to you and they will keep going.

DBML · 01/03/2020 18:43

Don’t feed the beast.

Simply ignore her. There’s no reason to engage.

Just because your MIL says one thing, does not make it true. Additionally, no one will ever love your daughter as much as you and your daughter will know this. There’s no competition.

categoricallycrackers · 01/03/2020 19:05

@sallycinamonbangsthedruminthe you are a legend.

Mamabear1990 · 02/03/2020 04:56

@Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe good for you!! Not stooping low at all, you stood up for yourself 👏

SapatSea · 02/03/2020 09:05

I had years of this sort of crap. Hold firm you will always be first in your DD's heart no matter what granny pleasing things she might say.

You have a husband problem as well as a MIl one. He needs to show a united front with you. MIL has a lot to lose if you go no contact. My H was useless, always giving in and wailing how I was putting him in the middle, even though he used to take off when she visited or was at work. There was no MN then and I didn't realise how much was down to H not supporting me.

I would cut down visits, go no contact if possible or let him take DD on visits to granny on his own (if he must). Yes, she will likely misbehave, giving DD food and gifts you don't want and youw on't know what she is saying but as DD grows it gets easier to withdraw at weekends as your DD will have birthday parties and activities to go to.

If she has keys to your house, get a new lock barrel and don't give her a new one. Let H take over getting her birthday, mothers day gifts etc if she complains, refer her to son. I thought my MIL had lots of power (partly because of her profession and connections) with her veiled threats and poison she would drip in my ear. But she didn't, I shouldn't have let her get to me.

I wouldn't call her out, I did that and she started to cry to get sympathy and cried to all in sundry, my neighbours, other relatives etc. and then her "flying monkeys" would come trying to broker peace. Shields up on any contact and let it wash over you.

Good luck

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