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Husbands family/friends outings meeting up

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Iwantadog1989 · 12/02/2020 13:11

Im genuinely wondering what im meant to do in this situation. My husband is from a different country to me and he has friends and family etc that like to meet up for coffee or see us. The issue I’ve got is that every single time we are together apart from a quick hello in English the whole conversation is in their language... they all speak fluent English and obviously chose to move to England, so in my opinion I shouldn’t need to learn their language however I do know some small bits and I try to learn but it’s very difficult for me. I just think it makes me look odd just sitting there uncomfortable, not knowing what they are talking about. I’ve made allowances when we are around people who cannot speak English, sometimes we go back to his country for holidays and I totally understand that they will all be speaking in their language not mine. That is fair enough but I just think in England.. they should speak in English to help me feel included. We have had this debate for years and last time I made an excuse not to go for coffee and that turned into an argument because my husband didn’t want to tell them I’m busy. He won’t prompt them to change the conversation to English as he won’t say anything to his family. He literally says that he understands but there’s nothing he can do. So I suggested that if they cannot include me in conversation then why did they specifically invite me along? What is the point in me being there, they do it in my house too, I feel a bit awkward. The funny thing is I love his family... I wish they had the care and respect for me to include me in the convo. My sister in law tells everyone that they have to speak English in front of her, shes not afraid to tell them however I wouldn’t go that far, just sometimes it would be nice to speak in English around me. I’ve considered giving up and learning their language So that I can understand them all but I find it extremely difficult I have been trying to learn for years.

OP posts:
YRGAM · 13/02/2020 04:54

A lot of posters here are misunderstanding what it's like to speak a second language. Monolingual English speakers tend to think of language learning as binary - that you either speak a language perfectly or not at all. That's not the case - so even if your dps relatives sound 'fluent' in English, they won't be as comfortable speaking it as they would be in their own language. Therefore YABU expecting the conversation language to shift for your benefit.

That being said, he is being VERY unreasonable demanding you show up to these events. You are well within your rights to refuse to attend!

Ozziewozzie · 13/02/2020 05:28

I agree with OP. This isn’t just about the language. It’s more than that. It’s causing her to feel excluded.
Her point is, why insist she’s there if nobody converses with her!!!
Whoever suggested op was ‘borderline racist’ is way out of line. Of course op is not.
This is not a case of OP demanding everyone speaks English. She just wants to feel included and acknowledged. She’s wanting to be involved rather than feel excluded. That’s not racist obviously.
They are demanding she be present for what purpose? Serve coffee? Take their coats?
They are excluding OP. Surely that’s closer to racism.

Peignoir · 13/02/2020 07:34

Some of you are taking this discussion to new heights. Her husband and his family are inconsiderate and they're deliberately excluding her. How on earth are you going to mention someone's name numerous times in a language they don't understand? It's clear as day. They don't want her to understand what they're saying and your husband is more than happy to go along with it. The simple fact he allows them to nonchalantly pop over whenever they feel like it emphasises the level of respect for you. His family clearly have no respect for you or even like you as they even attempt to include you into the conversation. The man in question isn't even bothering to help her language and she's had to resort to learning elsewhere, which is just wrong altogether. I don't understand why he wants you to attend these gatherings to just sit their feeling excluded and puzzled? I simply wouldn't go these gatherings and I'd let him have a piece of my mind. Stand up for yourself.

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