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Please can you give your honest opinion of my dh

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ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 10:27

I feel like I am close to leaving and I don’t have a lot of RL support so I guess I just want someone to help me see clearly.

Dh does the cooking (which he enjoys, and he picks most of the meals we eat) and he does washing up. This is the extent of what he does round the house. I do all laundry/drying, cleaning (toothpaste out of the sink, splashes off the kitchen tiles behind the hob, sticky surfaces, hoovering obvious dust, mopping dirty floors..: the works but what I’m saying is that it’s very obvious mess that needs cleaning and left to his devices he does not do it.) I sourced a cleaner as was sick of doing it all but we paid halves of the cleaner. When we had to get rid of her recently dh just wanted to get a new one. I did the whole house this week myself as we wouldn’t have the help and he literally lay in bed all Sunday afternoon while I cleaned up around him.) He tells me I should tell him if I want him to “help”. But being the “manager” in this way is so draining and frustrating. I wish he could jsut see what obviously needs to be done and do it. Nevertheless we have argued about this before and he says I don’t appreciate his contribution. I also clean the cats litter out and keep her fed and watered, again he doesn’t take the initiative even when her litter tray stinks obviously.

He is lazy. Not jsut around the house. In the mornings I start work earlier and need to be gone by just after 8 but he lies in bed til gone 8 and is always complaining he slept badly (I think this is partly due to him being very overweight and entirely sedentary.) As a result I rush to get dd dressed and breakfasted in the morning before I leave otherwise they will be too rushed before school and I know he will be impatient with her. Which leads me into..

He is moody and grumpy. If I go to gym for 45 mins in the evening (after ensuring dd dinner is done), I will often come back and he has got cross with her about something. In the mornings he frequently messages me when I’m at work spouting about tantrums and how cross he is to start his day this way. He has a very short fuse with dd and sometimes he has flashes of playfulness or being Disney dad esque which also maximum of a day before he is too tired, grumpy or bored to really engage with dd and he just ends up getting cross with her or just going on his phone and not playing with her etc. It’s got to the point where I am considering changing back my work hours so I do all getting ready, school dropoffs, pickups, and am going to quit the gym (which I love doing 3 or 4 times a week) so that dd doesn’t have to deal with dh moods. He bought a parenting book months ago but has never read it. I’m always coming up w it parenting strategies to try and help him be less impatient.

He is also moody with me (and worse sometimes.) If I “seem off” or especially if I challenge him on something he goes from 0-10 and says I’m always criticising him. If I defend myself it’s that I’m “impossible to communicate with” and “turn everything into a debate”. In the past 2 months he has threatened to leave me about 4 times including getting bags out on occasion. Then he will say he never wants to leave me. It’s very confusing and I feel that it’s a situation where if I try and raise a grievance he will be angry, defensive and ultimately pulls the leaving threat to get me to comply. He will sulk and stonewall, scrolling through phone when I’m trying to talk. When in this mood he will abandon any responsibilities around the house or to dd and I find it hard to carry on as I need to.

He is childish. Always farting around me even thoguh I’ve asked him not to, making inappropriate jokes I don’t like, his only “hobbies” are scrolling through reddit and playing on a computer game. I am the only one who plans evenings out for us, holidays, family time. He is really overweight and refuses to address it. This has also contributed to our lack of sex life because I just don’t fancy him anymore (but I have never told him this.)

Our joint finances consist of a 50/50 split of everything even thoguh he earns about 30% more than me. But he will “send me money” for a coffee etc sometimes.

He doesn’t have any life outside our relationship. Doesn’t see friends, doesn’t go on work nights out, doesn’t have hobbies outside the home.

He is spiteful. He will say anything in a row. Has previously told me I’m crazy, I’m impossible to talk to (my job is in comms and I volunteer for an advice line so I know this can’t be true), I’ve driven him to suicidal thoughts, im fucked up by my parents marriage, I am not good at parenting. He takes this all back when we make up but it still stings. I’ve said some stuff to him to: I’ve told him that I don’t want another baby with him while he gets grumpy with dd/me and I’ve told him I think he can be abusive. And he throws these back at me all the time.

He’s entitled. He earns almost six figures at a company with ridiculous perks, starts at 10 and finishes at 6, can work from home whenever, and he’s always complaining about it. About how stressed he is doing school dropoff as it interrupts his preferred work schedule (when I offer to do it instead he takes this as an insult against his parenting skills). About how if he doesn’t get a promotion a year into a job he should leave. If I try and gently give him some perspective he accuses me of being unsupportive. I just feel like he’s so entitled he can’t see the wood for the trees.

I don’t want a baby with him. I don’t want to make any more commitments with him. It’s like my gut is screaming. Believe it or not I still feel love for him but I’m beginning to think the problem is NOT me. I have a fit bit that tracks heart rate and now whenever we have a tense conversation I can see my heart rate just shoot up. I agree with him that our communication is bad but for all the reasons above I don’t know how to make it better. He’s cast himself as the one who is a victim. I guess I want to be with a “man” and I jsut feel like I’ve got another child. He is in his thirties but his attitude is that of a teenager still at home. And the way he is contemptuous to his mum kind of predicts how he is becoming/will become to me.

Ughhhh.
It’s not good is it.

OP posts:
Craftycorvid · 05/02/2020 10:36

When did things get this way, OP? And what attracted you to him right at the beginning? You have clearly both got into a very angry and defensive pattern with each other, and not much real communication is happening. What did you learn about relationships from your parents? You could certainly have some therapy on your own to consider your feelings about staying/leaving. If he’d agree, some couples therapy might help you step out of the ‘push me, pull you’ pattern and help you communicate.

pallasathena · 05/02/2020 10:36

You're mentally checked out OP. And I'd suggest it's time to get those ducks in a row and plan an escape.
It's your life. Your happiness. Your future.
If your child grows up to think that this is what a relationship looks like, then you'll have even more sadness and heartache to come.

MsPepperPotts · 05/02/2020 10:44

Well he's not going to change that's for sure.
Your life would be so much less stress than having this oversized teenager in the house.
He sounds absolutely awful especially how he is with your DD this alone would be enough for me to end it.
It's not a relationship...you're his surrogate mother.

Don't waste any more of your life with this man...you will deeply regret it in years to come.

NoSquirrels · 05/02/2020 10:49

It’s not good is it.

No.

I’d tell him you both need to go to relationship counselling to discuss your communication issues, as it’s got to the stage you cannot resolve anything between yourselves so clearly some outside input is needed.

He will refuse.

Then you should leave.

Ninkanink · 05/02/2020 10:56

You do not need to say you want to go to relationship counselling.

It’s already over - he’s not a good, kind man who loves and cherishes you. This relationship is not positive, it doesn’t make you happy and the two of you are not a strong, loving team. You should not live like this.

End it, and start living.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/02/2020 10:56

Its not you, its your H.

Some questions for you:-

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

You state you still love him. What is there to love about him?.
Are you really confusing love for him here with codependency?. He does nothing much around the house because he sees all that stuff as your role by dint of fact that you are female. This man likely also thinks that he is far too important to do anything else.

Did you see a similar dire relationship model when you were growing up?. Abuse (and his moods are an example of emotional abuse shown not just towards you but also your child) is NOT about communication or a perceived lack of but about power and control. This person wants absolute here over you and your DD.

Is this really what you want to teach your DD about relationships, for her to potentially end up with someone like this man?. Currently at least you are showing her that this treatment of you is acceptable to you on some level.

How can you be helped into leaving this person?. Please do not waste any more years than you already have done on him; its a sunk cost.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/02/2020 10:58

Also joint relationship counselling is again a non starter here given his abuses of you. Its never recommended where there is abuse of any type within the relationship.

I would also suggest OP for yourself going forward that you enrol yourself onto the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid.

EL0ISE · 05/02/2020 10:59

My honest opinion of your husband is that he’s a horrible husband and poor father. I’d rather be single than married to him.

I’d be making plans to leave. Changing my work hours, getting legal advice, sorting out paperwork.

EthelMayFergus · 05/02/2020 10:59

He doesn't see you as his equal. I would have a serious talk with him, without him scrolling through his phone (showing you the same contempt he has for his mum). Explain that you are seriously evaluating your future, I don't think he'll change but at least he will have been warned.

something2say · 05/02/2020 11:01

I agree that change is needed. Change which will improve things.

I would probably...
Just leave, having been through it with him a million times before probably and got nowhere.
I tend to grieve relationships while still in them, trying to make it work. It would be pointless to even try anymore andcthe decision to leave would make me instantly happier.

But tell him first. Plainly and see if he does anything xxx

waltzingparrot · 05/02/2020 11:05

Well if he earns six figures, at least get a cleaner back in place because that's one burden you can rid yourself of quite quickly.

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 11:07

@waltzingparrot I don’t want to pay half for it just because he is lazy. I’ve realised that’s what I was doing. Also like all our other life admin I will have to find cleaner, arrange the time with her, communicate with her, keep on top of washing all the bed linen etc before she comes and move stuff so she can actually clean, and then get rid of her if she’s no good. Having a cleaner is tbh jsut as stressful because I do all the admin. Also makes me resentful as I know he truly sees cleaning as woman’s work.

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ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 11:09

I have suggested counselling and he has said before he will do it buts it’s left up to me to arrange and it’s just another headache. So much of our life is jsut I arrange, all he has to do is show up. Weekends, holidays, dd stuff, I could go on... And yet he stil has a minsicule fuse with me and says he’s so unhappy with me he wants to kill himself (then retracts this after the fact).

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fastliving · 05/02/2020 11:16

Leave.
He sounds abusive.
You can't even trust him to be kind to your dd while you at at the gym?
He's trying to control you (and doing a very good job)
Would you want your dd to end up with someone like him? - if not, why is it good enough for you?

ScreamingLadySutch · 05/02/2020 11:19

I would try one more time.

When you are all very calm, maybe on the weekend, look him in the eye and tell him that you have nearly had enough. Tell him that you and DD are going to the park and that you want him to read something.

That when you get back you and he are going to have a calm and respectful talk about power struggles and the need to win instead of meeting the other person half way. That this is not about love, or being the bad guy, but about mutual respect.

That if he does not listen and change, does not decide to negotiate respectfully with you EXACTLY AS HE DOES AT WORK, then he can be always right on his own. If he truly thinks of you as a valueless person who isn't even worth listening to and must be crushed to get back in her box, then you geniunely would rather live on your own.

Say this all very calmly. Ask him if he has heard you clearly. Then hand him

www.huffpost.com/entry/she-divorced-me-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink_b_9055288

and walk out of the door.

I agree with @something2say that they are owed one serious conversation in which they hear the steel and know they are teetering towards being left.

After that they can choose whether they want to cling onto their hill or whatever that pick your battles saying is.

ScreamingLadySutch · 05/02/2020 11:26

From his blog:

I’m just one little nobody. One little nobody trying to help other guys come to the same conclusions I have before it’s too late for them. There are a lot of great guys out there who are accidentally bad husbands.

Sometimes being a bad husband is as simple as not understanding why our wives are upset about things which seem to us like ridiculous things to be upset about.
My wife didn’t really divorce me because I left a dish by the sink. (That would be insane.) She left because, for years, every time she was upset with me about something I didn’t think she had a right to be upset about, I dismissed her as irrational and incorrect.
I wasn’t bad at taking care of the dishes, literally.
I was just bad at taking care of the “dishes,” figuratively.

No matter how many people understood or saw value in the message, I still felt the frustration growing with each new comment saying how much better off I am now that I don’t have to be married to a tyrant wife who freaks out over a glass set near the sink; or how stupid I am for not seeing she left the marriage for much bigger reasons than dishes; or how much of a man-hating sexist I am for trashing men without acknowledging wives’ contribution to marital failure; or just how much of a whiny little pussy bitch I am, and that I totally got what I deserved, but NOT for the reasons I suggested.
Some of the insults were funny. I laughed. Some horribly misrepresented my work and beliefs. Efforts to point that out were in vain.
But the worst part was how so few “got it.”
Here’s this thing I care a lot about — a thing I’ve dedicated countless hours to, never asking for anything in return — and other than my selfish interest in having a place for my writing to live, I am genuinely committed to the cause of helping couples and families stay together.
I don’t have a PhD. I’m not a life coach. I don’t have any special accreditations.
The only bullet point on my Marriage Resume reads: Divorced. I have a 100-percent marriage failure rate.
But I think I know why my marriage ended, and I like to tell people about it, because sometimes it helps.

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 11:27

I’ve sent dh articles before, I have spent a lot of time trying to think about repairing our issues. He says they’re “interesting” but never seems to learn lessons and tbh they can often trigger resentment/anger in him as he feels attacked.

Thank you for the post though. I read the article myself jsut now and I thoguht the article was great. It reminded me that I’m allowed to have needs and a voice.

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PeppermintPasty · 05/02/2020 11:31

I don’t think you can change people, you can only change your reactions to them.

Why don’t you book an appointment with a family solicitor to see where you stand and what your options are? He sounds bloody dreadful, like he’s draining all the life force out of you (and your child).

HollowTalk · 05/02/2020 11:31

Bloody hell, I'm shocked every day at what women put up with.

Ninkanink · 05/02/2020 11:31

It feels like you’re trying gain permission to leave. You don’t need anyone’s permission to leave. You’ve done enough - You’ve done a lot; it sounds like you’ve tried and tried to address these issues. The longer you leave it now, the longer you model an unhealthy and unhappy relationship to your daughter.

Start a plan to extricate yourself and your daughter from this situation.

ScreamingLadySutch · 05/02/2020 11:37

And a response to his blog - sorry I am going on about this, but I genuinely think that THIS is why marriages fail (as my IC said, cheating is just the finally unacceptably hurtful part of a pattern of disregard) . The need to 'win' and 'be right' over caring about the other person:

"As much as this guy would like to suggest he just never realized that when his wife asked him to do something that it actually mattered, he knew. On some level, he knew but he did not care. He did not think there would be consequences because it didn’t matter to him and his opinion had more weight than hers. He did not actually respect her needs and wants. He did not care for her as an extension of himself or his pride would not have gotten wrapped up in wanting to be right and fight over the importance of the cup.

“I fear I wouldn’t have worked as hard to change my behavior as I would have stubbornly tried to get her to see things my way.”
Duh, we know this. You are divorced. You did stubbornly hold onto your pride and ego and that is why you are divorced."

user14928465 · 05/02/2020 11:39

He is abusive. He behaves this way despite all your efforts because this works for him. He is master of his realm and he likes having that power.

I think you would be better off doing the Freedom Programme and making decisions to take control of your life again, rather than continuing down the path of trying to change someone who is deliberately behaving like this because it gives him what he wants.

Living like this will mess your daughter up. How distressing and confusing to not know what you have to do to stop dad getting angry at you or how to be loveable enough to have nice dad all the time.

Www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Joint therapy with an abuser is unsafe so it's good that idea never went anywhere. You might want to consider individual therapy for yourself, though.

puds11 · 05/02/2020 11:39

If someone threatened to leave me, they’d only get to do it once.

I couldn’t be with someone who had such disregard for their own well being and who was constantly snapping at my daughter. It could easily lead to her developing anxiety.

I think you’re done here.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 05/02/2020 11:43

He sounds horrendous to be honest. I know it's easier said than done, but I would leave him if I were you, he will only get worse. He doesn't want to change, he wants you to change how you are around him. It's going to fester and cause massive resentment from you until you end up hating him. Seriously, your relationship is done so do yourself and your daughter (and him probably) a massive favour and start to seperate.

tenlittlecygnets · 05/02/2020 11:48

You don't love him, respect him or even like him. He sounds draining to live with - really exhausting. He also sounds like an awful parent.

You've mentally checked out already. Time to leave.