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Please can you give your honest opinion of my dh

85 replies

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 10:27

I feel like I am close to leaving and I don’t have a lot of RL support so I guess I just want someone to help me see clearly.

Dh does the cooking (which he enjoys, and he picks most of the meals we eat) and he does washing up. This is the extent of what he does round the house. I do all laundry/drying, cleaning (toothpaste out of the sink, splashes off the kitchen tiles behind the hob, sticky surfaces, hoovering obvious dust, mopping dirty floors..: the works but what I’m saying is that it’s very obvious mess that needs cleaning and left to his devices he does not do it.) I sourced a cleaner as was sick of doing it all but we paid halves of the cleaner. When we had to get rid of her recently dh just wanted to get a new one. I did the whole house this week myself as we wouldn’t have the help and he literally lay in bed all Sunday afternoon while I cleaned up around him.) He tells me I should tell him if I want him to “help”. But being the “manager” in this way is so draining and frustrating. I wish he could jsut see what obviously needs to be done and do it. Nevertheless we have argued about this before and he says I don’t appreciate his contribution. I also clean the cats litter out and keep her fed and watered, again he doesn’t take the initiative even when her litter tray stinks obviously.

He is lazy. Not jsut around the house. In the mornings I start work earlier and need to be gone by just after 8 but he lies in bed til gone 8 and is always complaining he slept badly (I think this is partly due to him being very overweight and entirely sedentary.) As a result I rush to get dd dressed and breakfasted in the morning before I leave otherwise they will be too rushed before school and I know he will be impatient with her. Which leads me into..

He is moody and grumpy. If I go to gym for 45 mins in the evening (after ensuring dd dinner is done), I will often come back and he has got cross with her about something. In the mornings he frequently messages me when I’m at work spouting about tantrums and how cross he is to start his day this way. He has a very short fuse with dd and sometimes he has flashes of playfulness or being Disney dad esque which also maximum of a day before he is too tired, grumpy or bored to really engage with dd and he just ends up getting cross with her or just going on his phone and not playing with her etc. It’s got to the point where I am considering changing back my work hours so I do all getting ready, school dropoffs, pickups, and am going to quit the gym (which I love doing 3 or 4 times a week) so that dd doesn’t have to deal with dh moods. He bought a parenting book months ago but has never read it. I’m always coming up w it parenting strategies to try and help him be less impatient.

He is also moody with me (and worse sometimes.) If I “seem off” or especially if I challenge him on something he goes from 0-10 and says I’m always criticising him. If I defend myself it’s that I’m “impossible to communicate with” and “turn everything into a debate”. In the past 2 months he has threatened to leave me about 4 times including getting bags out on occasion. Then he will say he never wants to leave me. It’s very confusing and I feel that it’s a situation where if I try and raise a grievance he will be angry, defensive and ultimately pulls the leaving threat to get me to comply. He will sulk and stonewall, scrolling through phone when I’m trying to talk. When in this mood he will abandon any responsibilities around the house or to dd and I find it hard to carry on as I need to.

He is childish. Always farting around me even thoguh I’ve asked him not to, making inappropriate jokes I don’t like, his only “hobbies” are scrolling through reddit and playing on a computer game. I am the only one who plans evenings out for us, holidays, family time. He is really overweight and refuses to address it. This has also contributed to our lack of sex life because I just don’t fancy him anymore (but I have never told him this.)

Our joint finances consist of a 50/50 split of everything even thoguh he earns about 30% more than me. But he will “send me money” for a coffee etc sometimes.

He doesn’t have any life outside our relationship. Doesn’t see friends, doesn’t go on work nights out, doesn’t have hobbies outside the home.

He is spiteful. He will say anything in a row. Has previously told me I’m crazy, I’m impossible to talk to (my job is in comms and I volunteer for an advice line so I know this can’t be true), I’ve driven him to suicidal thoughts, im fucked up by my parents marriage, I am not good at parenting. He takes this all back when we make up but it still stings. I’ve said some stuff to him to: I’ve told him that I don’t want another baby with him while he gets grumpy with dd/me and I’ve told him I think he can be abusive. And he throws these back at me all the time.

He’s entitled. He earns almost six figures at a company with ridiculous perks, starts at 10 and finishes at 6, can work from home whenever, and he’s always complaining about it. About how stressed he is doing school dropoff as it interrupts his preferred work schedule (when I offer to do it instead he takes this as an insult against his parenting skills). About how if he doesn’t get a promotion a year into a job he should leave. If I try and gently give him some perspective he accuses me of being unsupportive. I just feel like he’s so entitled he can’t see the wood for the trees.

I don’t want a baby with him. I don’t want to make any more commitments with him. It’s like my gut is screaming. Believe it or not I still feel love for him but I’m beginning to think the problem is NOT me. I have a fit bit that tracks heart rate and now whenever we have a tense conversation I can see my heart rate just shoot up. I agree with him that our communication is bad but for all the reasons above I don’t know how to make it better. He’s cast himself as the one who is a victim. I guess I want to be with a “man” and I jsut feel like I’ve got another child. He is in his thirties but his attitude is that of a teenager still at home. And the way he is contemptuous to his mum kind of predicts how he is becoming/will become to me.

Ughhhh.
It’s not good is it.

OP posts:
MummyJasmin · 05/02/2020 11:55

He sounds awful OP. Noone should have to put up with that.

Do you think the fact that he earns a six figure salary is probably why he thinks he's superior and untouchable?

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 12:01

Possibly. I earn a pretty good wage too, though like I say about 30% less so yeah he does earn more. I think that the control thing just stems from his insecurities. He’s always saying he thinks I will leave him (and then he’s the one who threatens it.) I think he knows he is not pulling his weight and it just makes him angrier and that comes on to me. And/or he’s depressed and can’t pull it together.

I’m jsut so done. I feel so sad but I also feel like I’m going to get sick if I carry on like this.

OP posts:
TwilightPeace · 05/02/2020 12:02

I would try one more time

I wouldn’t. It’s done. What’s the point? He doesn’t deserve ANYTHING at this point due to his disgusting behaviour.

OP You will be soooo much happier after you leave, and you will find you have lots of extra energy as you don’t have a big man-child draining it all.

TwentyViginti · 05/02/2020 12:05

Bloody hell, I'm shocked every day at what women put up with
Me too.

OP yes, you will get sick if you cary on like this. It's not a partnership, it's you being mummy to his teenage like entitlement. Of course HE won't leave - you are all he has in life apart from work.

TwentyViginti · 05/02/2020 12:06

*carry

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 12:06

In terms of what he does well:
Cooking
Can be fun with dd when he’s in the right mood
Cheers me up if I have a shit time at work
Doesn’t tend to say no to anything eg if I have an idea for home improvement, holiday, something to do etc (I guess it seems like he is up for stuff which is nice)
Does the school drop off and works from home if needs to like if dd has an inset day
I do believe he does want it to work and to be with me. I also believe that he self sabotages and won’t be able to change like he needs to.

Honestly.. that’s all I can think of right now . It’s not a lot. I have some affection for him but not respect, attraction or trust.

OP posts:
Interestedwoman · 05/02/2020 12:10

No, he's not treating you well at all.

He is also moody with me (and worse sometimes.)

Could you possibly tell us a little more about this? Just as much as you feel able. xxx

ncfornow89 · 05/02/2020 12:12

I jsut mean sometimes he will sulk and stonewall for a whole day or evening and if I get upset about it and try and get through he gets so angry and just starts saying he doesn’t want to be with me, etc etc.

Nothing physical. But I believe it is emotional aggression as he knows it upsets me.

OP posts:
chaos76 · 05/02/2020 12:24

how was his relationship with his parents? I know a few people who had a very unemotional upbringing and no hands on parenting came their way, so the just don't have the skills to use to be a parent themselves. Even with all the self help books in the world this behaviour is really hard to undo

LittlebitAlexis · 05/02/2020 12:26

He's not a team player op in your family life,
You are managing everything even his moods.
He projects all his inadequacies on you: he's the not good parent he's the one who's impossible to talk to.
Yet he does nothing to solve any of it because yes it falls to you to fix/manage the issues that are actually his.

This is no way to live and eventually your DD will start managing his moods in the mornings before school etc.
He threatens to leave to distract you from the reality of his uselessness. He knows you will leave at some point because I bet he wouldn't live with someone like himself.
Op you are in a decent enough place to leave with an income of your own and DD of school age.
Your gut knows that you have had enough of going through the motions with this lazy sulking moody entitled defensive person, who I can't call a man as he just isn't one.

RantyAnty · 05/02/2020 12:28

He does sound abusive and just a misery guts.

I do believe you have tried to talk to him and try to get him to see how much these things bother you and hurt you.

It's even starting to affect your health.

There really isn't any more to say or try with him as he just doesn't care. How he acts works for him as he has every need met and he doesn't have to do anything for anyone else.

I would see if you can get in to a solicitor and find out where you stand. I'd take the freedom programme too and start IC if you can.

See what you want to do about staying in the house or leaving, selling the house etc. Prepare the best you can.

I suspect that once you are away from him, your life will be so much easier and peaceful not dealing with his moods and having to do everything for a grown man.

Onemansoapopera · 05/02/2020 12:31

I don't think he sounds abusive. I think you don't love him anymore and the shine of the material side has well and truly worn off. Give him and his wage up and live a happy independent life. He'll treat you like staff as long as you're on the payroll.

UYScuti · 05/02/2020 12:32

Surely it's only worth being in a relationship if it makes both of your lives better, it sounds to me as if your life would be significantly better without him in it ....what are you waiting for?
get everything organised quietly in the background and then when you've got a safe place to go to explain to him that you need to put your own well-being first and get out of the relationship.

Annasgirl · 05/02/2020 12:32

Hi OP, do not have counselling with your DH - he is emotionally abusive and you should not have counselling with an abuser.

Please see a solicitor and plan to leave with your DD. Also, see a counsellor for you or do the freedom programme outlined in the last post.

You are not the problem, he is. Please, for your sake and your DD, leave and live a better life.

category12 · 05/02/2020 12:32

The thing about cooking, is it's the one household chore that regularly gets praise. It's normal to thank the cook. No-one thanks the loo cleaner. I think it's quite common for this type of man to cook and it's got a pay-off.

Honestly he sounds awful and possibly emotionally abusive.

And the way he treats your dd should have you at least halfway out the door by itself. (Oh and please don't give me the standard "but if he had her alone I can't protect her" a. you're not protecting her now, b. having a stable parent and secure environment most of the time is better than inconsistent and insecure one 100% of the time, c. he might be better as a non-resident parent.)

UYScuti · 05/02/2020 12:45

You say that he can be fun with your daughter 'when he's in the right mood', but we can all be fun when we're in the right mood!
In order to be a good parent you need to be able to to deal appropriately with your child even when you're not in a good mood, you need to be able to put your needs ahead of their needs and do the right thing even when you don't feel like it.
In other words be an adult who has self-control and is able to regulate their temper and their moods

LittlebitAlexis · 05/02/2020 13:16

UYScuti makes an excellent point about in order to parent properly we must be able to deal appropriately with our child even when we ourselves are not in the 'right' mood.
How often as parents do we solider through the busy morning rush regardless of what amount of sleep we've had? Or how we've just got on with reading a story homework etc with a headache or pissed off about a work issue. As grown ups we put our shit to one side and parent.
This man is showing his daughter that his ability to engage is only conditional on how much he can be arsed.

SlippersAndThePaper · 05/02/2020 13:26

He doesn’t really bring much to your life.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/02/2020 13:35

You are not protecting your daughter from his abuses of you and in turn her own self.

The fact that you cannot answer the questions I asked earlier in itself speaks volumes.

You have a choice re this man; your daughter does not. Make better choices for you and she going forward. Do not make this man the hill you die on.

SonEtLumiere · 05/02/2020 13:37

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Home42 · 05/02/2020 13:38

You are married to my ex.

Stop trying to push him to be what you want. You can’t. It is not that he cannot do, cannot see, does not realise.. he is choosing to leave it to you because he CAN! You’ve asked him to change and he has basically said No. He gets annoyed when you bring it up because you rub his slightly guilty conscience - you make him feel bad (and so he bloody well should!)

I finally split from ex after years of this. He manages perfectly well to do his laundry, cooking, cleaning, planning, working and spending time with DD without me now he is single. I don’t have any LESS to do but I feel so so so much better not to be annoyed and frustrated all the time. He didn’t lift a bloody finger for years the lazy twat.

Gutterton · 05/02/2020 13:39

I also believe that he self sabotages....

He is sabotaging your DD life and yours.

He holds you with seething contempt in every single one of his actions. He may we’ll be self loathing but he is projecting this on to you and your DD.

Any RS is simple it is about demonstrating kindness and respect to each other.

There is none of this here. You are past the point of no return - he has been passively aggressively punishing you and pushing you out the door because he wants you to call time - which he wants - but then he can also blame you for.

Every moment you subject yourself to his EA is energy drained and focus lost from loving and parenting your DD. She is living in a battleground where both parents are seething contempt. She doesn’t see love, cooperation, partnership, care and respect. She will be absorbing all of this negative environment and it will have caused her significant emotional harm to date. She needs a calm and peaceful home with a loving focused Mum, not one drained and preoccupied with attacks from a vile man. She needs to be taken away from his moody parenting - this is a v abusive and damaging situation for her to be tap-dancing to. Get her out of it.

You have tried too hard for far too long. Get your ducks in a row - do it for your DD - and get out. Ignore his weeping and pleading when it comes and just salvage what you can to repair your DDs childhood and emotional development. Good luck.

Noshowlomo · 05/02/2020 13:42

Sounds like he loathes himself and wants to bring the family down with him. I think you need to start a plan and leave.. maybe give him a chance as in tell him you're not happy and want to leave.

Happy0 · 05/02/2020 13:45

Pie him off. I don't normally go straight to that as advice but reading through you post - why would you not?

LisBethSalander07 · 05/02/2020 13:48

You don't have to justify leaving.

You just do it.

We get one chance at life, OP. Life really is too short and precious to waste on a half life Flowers