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Major fallout with dad over a birthday card

106 replies

lilly0102 · 28/01/2020 06:52

Tensions with my dad reached fever pitch and I lost my temper with him yesterday on his birthday.
I've been going through a hard time at work and in life and he text me on Friday saying hope you remembered to get me a birthday card ( I forgot once one year 4 years ago )
Yesterday morning I went to get him one after I dropped DD at school. At 1pm I had passive aggressive text saying you haven't sent me a text or posted my birthday card yet.
So I felt really miffed as the day isn't over at 1pm said I would drop it off and come over after I picked DD up.
I gave the card to my dad and he opened it the look on his face because there was no money or giftcard inside (I'm skint and dad earns more than 50k)
DD went to the loo and Dad just started to let rip at me.
So I let rip back ,
There's a past of abuse in my family , it's very dysfunctional and if I question my dad he accuses me of being mad like my mother (they divorced mum has mental illness so I stayed with him until I moved out when I was 17 when his bullying became too much I remind him the most of my mother out of the three of us ) my brother is my dad's favourite and grandson he doesn't even try to hide it, he sees DD a few times a year and has babysat her twice in 7 years after
this row my dad told me to get out and my DD burst into tears.

I feel bad about arguing with my dad on his birthday. I'm now frightened my dad is going to tell my siblings he will twist it and make out I'm mad and just like my mother.

I'm feeling very sad today, I'm not sure how to heal the resentment I feel towards him and the rift.

OP posts:
ILoveAScotchEggMe · 28/01/2020 08:07

The fact that he expresses negativity about you being likeyour mother etc. Seriously OP don't have that in your life or your DDs. This will erode your self esteem to dust. Thank your lucky stars you ARE like your DMum and not him. He was just using the card thing as a stick to beat you. No normal adult gets antsy about birthday cards, He was just using it as an in.

Sunflowernet · 28/01/2020 08:07

I would have a look at the Stately Home thread.
This is nothing to do with a birthday card but yours dad's power over you.

Brefugee · 28/01/2020 08:08

he'd an arse, ask yourself if you need this in your life?
If you do, and you do seem to want him to have a relationship with your DD, then you're going to have to grow a bit of a thicker skin as far as he's concerned and adopt a few strategies.

The first one, I'd guess, would be on "special days" to text him first thing so he doesn't start on you. Get in there first.

If you decide you don't want a relationship with him - fine and dandy. Just ignore. You've accepted that your mum isn't ever going to be the mum you want/need. Perhaps it's time to try that with your dad?
Flowers

Cam77 · 28/01/2020 08:09

Sounds like your family has a pretty complex history and dynamic, so without much, much more context and backstory any advice given here will likely be worse than useless.

puds11 · 28/01/2020 08:09

Focus on the people in your life that love and care for you, your DD, DH and PIL. Don’t waste energy on people who negatively impact your mental well being. The sooner people realise they don’t have to put up with abusive crap because a person ‘is family’ the better!

Good luck @lilly0102

Comenext · 28/01/2020 08:09

Your Father is never going to be the Dad you would like to have.
Accept that and move on.
Why not stop his texts if they are so upsetting?
Let him see you will not be bullied.
Also I think he is an attention-seeker deep down so the best way to deal with him is to ignore him. That will bring the message home to him that you are not going to take any more of his nonsense.
As PP said, do something nice for you and your DD.

Thestrangestthing · 28/01/2020 08:10

Eh I'm with your dad here.

Hmm, I wonder why.

I forgot about every man's right to become abusive when someone doesn't give them money in their birthday card, does this rule apply to women aswell. I'll remember that on my next birthday. I'll either have loads of presents, or no friends and family left.

peardrops1 · 28/01/2020 08:11

OP, he is deeply unpleasant - I'm so sorry about your childhood, and the continued dysfunction. Ignore the couple of lone voices saying you should have texted/ got him a present. They clearly didn't read your OP properly, in which it is clear it's not about the birthday but about this man being a nasty bully. Do continue to distance yourself. It sounds like you've built a good life for yourself.

HarryElephante · 28/01/2020 08:11

How do you know he, wss expecting money or a gift card?

dottiedodah · 28/01/2020 08:16

My Stepdad and my FIL(Own Dad died when I was a child) would always tell me nicely that they were not expecting a present ! He sounds rude ungrateful and childish .

Disfordarkchocolate · 28/01/2020 08:16

As long as my husband remembers my birthday I'm fine, everyone else in my family has a life where I am not the most important person to them (not even top 10 for most).

Your Dad sounds like a child who uses emotions they don't understand to control what's going on, only he's old enough to know what he is doing and he likes the feeling it gives him to get a reaction.

I think you need to take a big step back from him, with an even bigger step back for your daughter.

SpiderHunter · 28/01/2020 08:28

Tbh, I think actually going round with a card is a lot more effort than a text. And it wouldn't occur to me to do both. I really don't think you've done anything wrong and, even if you had, his reaction to shout at you says a lot about him. I'd continue to distance yourself (and DD) from him. If your siblings don't like that they will simply have to lump it.

Inforthelonghaul · 28/01/2020 08:35

Does he make a big fuss about your or DDs birthday’s or is it just his thats so important?

I can’t see anything from your post that suggests this is a positive relationship for you or your daughter. Go low contact and if he’s just nasty, go no contact. Some relationships just aren’t healthy and just because you’re related doesn’t mean it’s good for you to continue.

Outlookmainlyfair · 28/01/2020 08:45

You poor thing. I am aghast as PPs saying that your father deserves more, you were wrong not to do more etc. He is behaving like an abusive toddler.
Why do you worry if he tells your siblings? Does it matter? Know that you have done nothing wrong and don’t let them doubt yourself. Focus on the good people in your like and don’t feel bad about your abusive father.

Nuttyfellalovesnutella · 28/01/2020 08:59

It sounds like you had a difficult childhood where both your mother and father were far from perfect parents, consequently this has affected you.

After all you have been through I think it’s a bit crap when posters side with your stroppy and abusive dad all because you had other things on your mind than sending birthday wishes to an adult.

ChuckleBuckles · 28/01/2020 08:59

Eh I'm with your dad here

The man that told OP she was "mad" just like her mother?
The man who lives 15 minutes away and can't be arsed to visit her or his GC?
The man who could not be bothered to visit his DGD in hospital?
That is the guy that you think has a point and a valid reason to feel hurt, really?
The man who threw his DD and DGD out of his home after kicking off about a birthday card? Notice how he waited for the DGD to return from the toilet before he told OP to get out, so a small child could witness his antics, just so he could hurt her all the more.

OP disconnect from this dynamic, you probably have childhood trauma that is keeping you stuck in this loop, you keep going back as it is familiar (so oddly a comfort) and you hope that he will be the dad you need, he won't ever be the dad you need. Stop exposing your DC to this, break the cycle today.

frami · 28/01/2020 09:31

You should post this on the Stately Homes 2020 thread where people understand what it's like to have disfunctional parents.

Bufferingkisses · 28/01/2020 10:56

Definitely look at disengagement. You shouldn't be feeling upset the way you are because he kicked off. You should be pissed off with him and embarrassed for him. He clearly won't change.

contrary13 · 28/01/2020 11:37

Most likely, unless your mother suffered from some form of psychosis of course (which can be triggered) or a personality disorder (which can also be triggered), she wasn't "mad" either... Controlling parents/partners can actively cause depression of all sorts - which the abuser then uses as another "tool" on their abusive belt.

You do understand that your father may well have waited until your daughter was out of the room to have a go at you, OP, but that doesn't mean he's not hurting her. If he hurts you - even "just" emotionally - then she will suffer, too... and you cannot allow that to happen.

It's not up to the child to make a fuss of their parent(s) on their birthday - unless (a) they have a close relationship with them, and/or (b) it happens to be a milestone one. You know that 4 years ago, you didn't forget your father's birthday, that you sent him a text, but that doesn't feed into his ego and he's using that text as a stick to beat you with. Who is he displaying his cards to, I wonder; who is he bragging about "how much [his] family love [him]" to? Because, if he's anything like my daughter (who has psychosis as well as a diagnosis of NPD), it's going to be someone. And until you satisfy that need in him for being the centre of attention, he is going to verbally and emotionally pick away at you until you're left feeling that he's right, you're wrong, up is down, and white is gold. That's what you're teaching your daughter. That her grandfather has the right to make her mother feel like shit on his shoe. If it's not this, it'll be something else that he's attacking you over... and believe me, for your own sanity, OP, and the emotional welfare of your own impressionable child... you have to stop allowing him to do this to you.

You say that your daughter isn't close to him (good!) and that he favours your brother/his children over you/your daughter. So you're also teaching her that daughters are worth less than sons. And even though you might not be aware of this, she'll be drinking it all in and absorbing this horrific lesson - her mum doesn't understand that she's worth more than abuse.

I know it's difficult. My mother and daughter are both cut from the same cloth as your father seems to be - and for years, I thought that they had the right to abuse me every which way. It was some very wise posters on here who set me straight and, y'know, life's been better since I imposed boundaries and refused to bend them. As I'm typing this, my daughter (who's 23) is currently having some sort of temper tantrum about her computer not working. I made a suggestion that she could use mine, if necessary (she has an interview today and "all my stuff for it" is on her refusing-to-work computer) and she started yelling at me. I simply shrugged my shoulders and pointed out that when you talk to people like they're shit, they feel less inclined to go out of their way to help you.

When your father passive-aggressively demands things from/of you, you feel disinclined to give him what he wants - be that a birthday card, or anything else.

Give it a try, OP, you've got nothing left to lose. Flowers Brew

Talkingmouse · 28/01/2020 11:43

Ignore this man-child op. He is pathetic.

Keep going with lower contact. No emotional engagement. And try not to feel guilty.

UYScuti · 28/01/2020 11:43

Cut him off, there's nothing in it for you and he will only get worse as he gets older, escape while you still can, your siblings will wish they had done the same

contrary13 · 28/01/2020 11:46

Oh, and my NPD daughter and mother also use the line about me being "mad" whenever they don't like what I have to say. It's their go-to accusation because they think it hurts. It used to, but I did an awful lot of reading about narcissism and its traits when my daughter was diagnoses a few years back, and... it helped. It really did. It's a horrific mental illness/personality disorder - for those of us who have the misfortune of being related to them, and therefore the ones they turn on the quickest, though; they simply believe they're the best at everything they turn their hands to. Even when, 9 times out of 10, they're as average/normal as the rest of us!

Good luck, OP.

OvenGlovesWillTearUsApart · 28/01/2020 12:03

I’m guessing that if you had a healthier relationship with your dad, you’d have made more of an effort for his birthday.

As it is, he sounds like a total twat. It would probably be sensible to go low/no contact with him. Show your daughter how to be strong and value herself.

SunshineCake · 28/01/2020 12:05

He's a terrible father. Walk away. If you really feel you want too I'd send a letter but your dd doesn't need to see her mum bullied.

LittlebitAlexis · 28/01/2020 12:08

Time to save your sanity again op and that of your DD. No one needs to put up with this sort of bs from a grown man.
Your dad is and likely never was a supportive appreciative parent, he probably senses you distancing yourself but refuses to comprehend that his behaviour is the reason why you do not make a fuss over him on his 'special day' Hmm
He is instead forcing you to treat him in a way that he does not deserve with his reminder texts and frankly bullying reaction to a moneyless card.
No decent parent would actually accept money on their birthday from their child. A cake and time spent would be all that's expected. No kicking off no throwing daughter and grandchild out.
Take his behaviour as a gift he wanted you out so head out and off to people who deserve your presence

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