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What the hell is going on??!!

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candymilk · 11/01/2020 23:04

So I need some perspective. I'm going out of my mind.

DH birthday tomorrow and so we went out for the day today as a little treat. Plan was to get to the town/place, have a coffee, look around a few shops and then have dinner altogether in quite a nice place which has some nice memories for us - kids with us too. DH said to kids bring some pocket money to spend at the shops.

Got there all good. Had coffee, mooched in an art gallery and a couple of grown up (boring) shops and then DH says right let's go and have dinner. I said to him about kids spending there pocket money (his suggestion) and asked could we do that first/before.

Cue a huge and prolonged rant from him at me in the street in front of kids and loads of people. So cringe. Lots of shouting about it always being about the kids and he wants to do what he wants to do on his birthday! So awful :( so embarrassing. I was so shocked and taken aback by his outburst.

He then says right let's look at shops then and stormed down the high street with us trailing behind. We didn't go into any shops and eventually got to the nice food place and he said no he didn't want to go in as it's spoiled so we went to a pizza place instead and ate in virtual silence.

Got home had a bit of a row (again) and basically he says I'm thoughtless and only care about the kids and he wanted one day for himself. I think he is being really childish and immature.

Now he's sulking and acting wounded like such a martyr that I feel guilty even though he overreacted and caused the whole nonsense!

Is it just me or is it him? I'm so confused I feel like I did something so awful and ruined his birthday - that is how he is acting :(

Ps he does have form for doing this kind of thing and it's always because I've done something 'thoughtless'

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Helpfullilly · 12/01/2020 00:48

With leaving, yes you are staying out of fear and to minimise the risk of extreme harm to you and your children. That's part of how abuse and abusers work.

He may not actually be allowed unsupervised contact if you know what to do and who to talk to. He is abusing your children, after all. I do honestly wish my mum had left and he only saw me at weekends, though. I would then be safe 90% of the time rather than never knowing when something might happen, I'd know it was abusive (maybe have got counselling) and been able to report anything that happened or stop contact myself as I got older. I also at least would not have to watch him mistreat my mum, that felt worse than what he did directly to me as I loved her so much.

You need the support of a specialist agency like Women's Aid. They will be able to guide and advise you about issues such as child custody and how to leave safely, to reduce the risk of him blowing up, or refer you to solicitors experienced with such things.

Leaving is the most dangerous time and my dad did take it out on my brother and I, to get at mum. She didn't know she was being abused though until it got to that stage or what to do in order to limit the risks. While it was traumatic I don't regret what happened in that I have nothing to do with him now. Life is so much better some days it doesn't feel like reality. -- When we got in touch with Women's Aid we finally got the tools and understanding we needed.

If you do stay, if only while you wait for the children to get a bit older or to arrange leaving in the safest, smoothest way, there are things you can do to help protect yourself and the children.

It would have made such a difference to me if my mum acknowledged things were shit and when he was behaving badly, and given me comfort after he was abusive towards her or us. Women's Aid might also be able to help you with a safety plan, as he is likely to get worse over time. These type of men don't really mesh well with teenagers for example, who are harder to control.

And counselling, God do I wish I'd had some as a child or young person. Instead I have had to have it as an adult and it's much harder to recover or changed embedded ways of thinking or feeling.

As to suicide...genuinely suicidal people don't use suicide as a threat. That again is abuse. My dad did that too and used to tell me how he was going to kill himself because of what an awful daughter I was. I had mum running off after him when he threatened it, and then I had his emotional blackmail plus worrying about what he was doing to her. -- Don't engage with it. Honestly, it'd be easiest if he did kill himself. Let the bastard crack on. I eventually used to tell my dad to get on with it and that he wouldn't be missed due to his actions. Because why would he be? I stopped loving him when I realised he didn't love us and was hurting up on purpose to get his way or to feel better about himself. Mum still felt responsible for him and to me as the child it hurt she put him before her children and didn't see she was exposing us to harm by letting him manipulate her life that.

My brother summed it up best anyway 'he loves himself too much to kill himself.' and it's the only person he does love.

And why will he have no one? Maybe because no one else would put up with the monster he has grown into? He doesn't feel sorry for you or the kids, so don't waste emotional energy on him you should save for your innocent children, who do have a chance right now, if you give it to them. It's too late for him, but not for them.

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crimsonlake · 12/01/2020 00:52

If you stay with him imagine what it will be like several years down the line. Is that the life you want for your children?

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messolini9 · 12/01/2020 00:53

he has threatened suicide in the past.

Also straight from the script.

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RoseMartha · 12/01/2020 00:56

I could have written this about my situation a couple of years ago. Sending you a 🤗🤗

You have to decide what is best for you and dc. And you have to decide if you can continue living like that.

I feel so bad that you and dc had that happen. You do not deserve it. It is not your fault. 🤗🤗🤗

But you can change the situation even if it feels impossible. I want you to know it isnt, even if he says it is. It isn't impossible, if you can not live like that anymore, you and dc need to get out.

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messolini9 · 12/01/2020 00:57

how bloody annoying it is that despite him doing all of that today I was the one who finished the day by apologising to him, quite a few times and him acting like a hard done by martyr and now he has all the power and I feel like an idiot.

You are not an idiot.
You have been conditioned, ground down, manipulated & coerced.
That is not your fault.
Please read the Lundy Bancroft book - link upthread - it will give you so much insight, support & comfort & TACTICS as you start to assess the true dynamic of your husband's behaviours & the impact on your family.

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Fallingirl · 12/01/2020 00:58

Please don’t let the children keep you in this dysfunctional marriage. They are children, and rely on adults to make the adult decisions. It sounds like they know perfectly well that this home situation is abnormally bad, but are scared of what divorce would mean. It sounds very much like a ‘better-the-devil-you-know’ response.

But divorce is not usually a bad outcome, and in most cases it is a very good solution.

I wonder who put the idea that divorce is bad in their heads?

I think it would be useful for you to give Rights of Women a call
www.lawworks.org.uk/legal-advice/individuals/rights-women-family-law-advice-line

Or your local Womens Aid www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/ It is usually easier to get in touch with your local branch, so just search for that.

In my own case, it took a long time for me to really come to understand myself as someone experiencing domestic abuse, but you really don’t have to decide whether you can really see yourself a d the situation that way; just speaking with someone with experience can be really helpful.

And as the first link above, both organisatio s should be able to advise you about keeping your children emotionally safe if you get divorced.

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DoctorManhattan · 12/01/2020 01:00

He’s a complete immature arse.

It was my birthday during the week too. And we had planned to go out for dinner. Instead, junior was hungry before I got home so went ahead and ate, and my wife was v tired from a bad nights sleep beforehand so she dozed on the sofa most of the eve.

Did I care? No, because I’m not fcuking 5 any more.

Seriously, once you get past the age of 16 or so, birthdays can’t be all about you. And in his case, when he has a wife and children, there is no excuse for losing his rag with them like that and ruining a nice day out.

You should be apologising, not in the slightest.

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DoctorManhattan · 12/01/2020 01:01

Ffs. That should have read “should NOT be apologising”. Bloody phone.

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Weenurse · 12/01/2020 01:02

There is a thread by @jamiasjedors about divorcing a sulking husband.
I can’t find it now.
Started off with her H kicking off and sulking because he did not want to do planned and agreed to activity for HER birthday.
Sulked for days.
She is now separated and much happier.

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LuluJakey1 · 12/01/2020 01:04

He sounds a total wanker, a bully and a pathetic example of a dad and husband. You must have felt very ashamed of him and embarrassed. I am sure you and your children deserve a much kinder, more thoughtful dad and husband. Children don't forget things like this.

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LuluJakey1 · 12/01/2020 01:05

Nothing worse than someone who creates scenes, bullies then huffs and behaves like a martyr.

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LuluJakey1 · 12/01/2020 01:06

Go out somewhere nice with the children tomorrow and leave the selfish bastard to huff alone. Don't wrap his presents or write his card.

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LuluJakey1 · 12/01/2020 01:07

Take him a cup of tea before you go with laxative in it.

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SaphfireRose · 12/01/2020 01:17

OP, none of this is your fault, or your children's fault. None of it. You all are being emotionally abused by a manipulative, gaslighting, narcissistic sociopath. And I do not say that lightly. You've been putting up with it for 10 years? He is not going to change. He really isn't. That he doesn't feel devastated that he hurts his children shows he has no empathy and no fatherly instinct. You are all walking on eggshells. It is not fair to you, and it is certainly not for to your children. You never forget incidents like this in your childhood, you do remember them when you're an adult, believe me. Your children are suffering and being damaged, with lifelong mental and emotional scars.

I sometimes think LTB is used to freely, but please, please, Leave The Bastard. Yes, I know your daughter doesn't want you to divorce - not many children do, however it will be really before for her if you leave him. She is suffering. Going through a divorce is not nice for kids, but they relax and thrive when they no longer have to fear that they caused dad to get upset. Fear that their dad and mum will get into an argument. Fear of seeing their mum in tears. Just plain fear of their own dad. Children do thrive after they are no longer in that toxic environment and they have some sense of security day by day, just with you. So yes, it is hard at first, but it is so worth it, and they will thank you for it later. So many people on here say even though at the time they loved their dad and didn't want their parents to split, looking back they know wished they had.

Also, if he is like this, and it sounds like he really doesn't care about his own kids, he might not press to see them all that often, so that would be a relief for you and for them, and you can ask for supervised visitation.

Please, leave now. Go anywhere, it doesn't matter where. Each day you are staying, there is a lasting emotional scar forming on your children. 10+ years and no remorse at all? He is not going to change at all, it is obvious, he doesn't think he needs to. He is a narcissistic sociopath, he will never change. Every day, your children are suffering. Don't worry about debts at the moment. Just get out now. OR, tell him to leave. Have your father and/or brothers or cousins with you for support when you tell him. Just get rid of them now, for your children's sake, so they can heal.

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everythingbackbutyou · 12/01/2020 01:17

Hugs to you, OP - I recently initiated a separation from my stbxh for reasons extremely similar to you. It seems I was able to excuse/put up with so much emotional abuse but the final straw was when the treatment started extending to my kids 12, 4 and 2. We were on holiday a year or so ago and eating out at a pub in the evening. As they are typical kids, they only picked at their food and dh started getting really snippy with them before launching into a tirade about wasted money and then starting a big sulk about how dreadful we all are. That evening, my eldest wrote him a little note and left it for him with a few coins, writing something like "Sorry for wasting money, daddy". I wanted to sob for her, being made to feel so bad. Loads of other nasty and intolerant behaviour towards the kids, but really added an urgency to my exit strategy. I know how it feels to be the mum in your scenario, and it is awful - the public humiliation, the whole family trailing miserably behind a massive man child who is marching 10 metres ahead of everyone else...

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Luckystar777 · 12/01/2020 01:24

Lots of good advice here OP. He is abusive. I think you should call women's aid for help, and also the Freedom Programme is great and will help you too I think.

My ex was abusive and used to threaten suicide. Guess what!? Ex is still very alive and doing better than I am these days. And even if she'd followed through, it would not have been my fault. Don't let him manipulate you like he's doing anymore.

And stay safe.

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mathanxiety · 12/01/2020 01:38

This is all abuse, pure and simple, and you need to figure out how to leave.

He is doing and saying textbook things. Read the links posted through the thread (Lundy Bancroft).

Call Women's Aid 0808 2000 247, or look up your local offices on the WA site.
www.womensaid.org.uk/

You have tough days ahead of you no matter what you choose to do, but choosing to stay will result in you being destroyed and your children with you. Emotionally and psychologically destroyed.

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mathanxiety · 12/01/2020 01:39

My exH is also still alive.

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Creepster · 12/01/2020 01:44

Men who will not share what they think without shouting and making a scene are abusers.
It really is that simple.

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Luckystar777 · 12/01/2020 01:55

@mathanxiety is right, the abuse will eventually destroy you. It's taken me 3 years almost to recover from 13 years of control, abuse, most of which was really not that blatant until I added it all up and it began to escalate over the years (as is often the case). The damage done is hard to recover from, but is absolutely worth leaving an abusive relationship because anything is better than being stuck with that the rest of your life.

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EKGEMS · 12/01/2020 02:15

Dear God if you have to sleep in a car get the fuck out with the kids

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suggestionsplease1 · 12/01/2020 02:49

To be honest I would say not enough information to judge this on. From your DH's perspective this sounds like he feels he is on the receiving end of a longstanding, ongoing dynamic which is centered around the kids. Your decisions always come first and he is always playing second fiddle. He wanted one day out of the year when he was considered first. He brought up a few times during the later afternoon that he would like to go to eat dinner and they were dismissed becaue of ideas about the kids spending their pocket money, and he finally reached boiling point that his ideas were never ebtertained, not even on his birthday.

I don't know what actually happened, but I don't know that he deserves the censure on this thread.

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OvenGlovesWillTearUsApart · 12/01/2020 03:04

I’m wondering if one of his parents always used to ruin special days, and now he sabotages things because he grew up to believe he didn’t deserve a nice day ever.

Whatever, you need to remove your kids and yourself from the hell that this situation has become, before they are damaged permanently by his petulant rantings.

Please stop apologising to him. You deserve so much better. Time for a bit of grey rock.

I hope you have a good sleep.

LTB.

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mathanxiety · 12/01/2020 03:57

You all are being emotionally abused by a manipulative, gaslighting, narcissistic sociopath.

This ^^

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minesagin37 · 12/01/2020 04:24

He sounds like a childish brat. The only thing you did wrong was marry him.

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