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Husband may have assaulted me - pls help

73 replies

VelvetScrunchie · 10/01/2020 22:35

Content warning: possible sexual assault

This is really hard to write, and I apologise if it’s super long.

I have no idea what to do. I think my dh sexually assaulted me, and we might be splitting up.

We’ve been together for 10yrs and have two children. He’s a wonderful guy and I love him dearly. Hardworking, loyal, a great father. We laugh all the time and he tells me he loves me every day. It’s not a perfect relationship and we sometimes get on each others’ nerves, but who doesn’t?

But. He’s an idiot when he’s drunk. Not aggressive as such, but just extremely loud and brash. He doesn’t have a drinking problem - he’s definitely not dependent on alcohol, but we live in a country of big drinkers. It’s pretty ingrained.

I’m at the point where I don’t want to be around him if he’s drunk. If he’s been on a night out and he comes back drunk, he’s just incredibly irritating. And when we go to bed, he can be pushy. He’s just that little bit more...creepy? Pervy? than usual.

There have been occasions in the past where he’s been groping me when I’m half asleep and I’ve had to tell him to stop more than once. I don’t like it when he’s like this. It’s not loving; it feels sleazy. Then, a few months ago, we had both had quite a bit of wine and were getting it on, as you do. I was on top, cowgirl, and without warning he tried to push his penis into my bum. I was horrified and shouted at him. Like I was going up and down, obviously, and he tried to do that as I was lowering myself down - it could have really hurt me. I made him sleep downstairs. In the morning he had no memory of it as he was pretty drunk. I had to explain what he’d done and he apologised profusely.

Fast forward to 10 days ago, the 30th. We’d had a rare night pre-NY night out in a different city without the kids, and had a hotel room booked. After dinner and quite a few drinks, we went back to our hotel and were having sex. Again, I was on top. Again, to my total horror, he tried to quickly push his penis into my bum. I jerked away and said ‘No!’ And he tried to do it again.

To be honest, it’s a bit of a blur after that. I was crying and gathering up my stuff, while he was begging me to stop and apologising. I got dressed, grabbed some stuff and went to the hotel reception to book another room for myself. I didn’t know what I was doing really; I just knew I wanted to get away. He somehow managed to get my room number and knocked on my door. Again, apologies, crying, so so sorry.

I left the next morning and took the train back to our city, while he drove to his parents’ to get the kids. The kids are back here with me now and he’s staying with friends while I try to sort out the muddle in my head.

What do I do? Am I being unreasonable? I feel guilty because he’s clearly so upset and remorseful, but I just can’t get over the fact that he did that to me, and it wasn’t the first time. I’m just in shock and feel numb. I feel like I don’t want him near me. I don’t know if I can trust him ever again. He’s devastated - messaging, calling, promising to make things better and offering to stop drinking etc. I don’t know whether to give him another chance or not.

Please, please give me some advice. My parents divorced when I was 11 and it was horrendous. I don’t want to do that to my kids, but I just don’t know if I can ever trust him again.

OP posts:
VelvetScrunchie · 10/01/2020 22:37

Content warning: possible sexual assault

This is really hard to write, and I apologise if it’s super long.

I have no idea what to do. I think my dh sexually assaulted me, and we might be splitting up.

We’ve been together for 10yrs and have two children. He’s a wonderful guy and I love him dearly. Hardworking, loyal, a great father. We laugh all the time and he tells me he loves me every day. It’s not a perfect relationship and we sometimes get on each others’ nerves, but who doesn’t?

But. He’s an idiot when he’s drunk. Not aggressive as such, but just extremely loud and brash. He doesn’t have a drinking problem - he’s definitely not dependent on alcohol, but we live in a country of big drinkers. It’s pretty ingrained.

I’m at the point where I don’t want to be around him if he’s drunk. If he’s been on a night out and he comes back drunk, he’s just incredibly irritating. And when we go to bed, he can be pushy. He’s just that little bit more...creepy? Pervy? than usual.

There have been occasions in the past where he’s been groping me when I’m half asleep and I’ve had to tell him to stop more than once. I don’t like it when he’s like this. It’s not loving; it feels sleazy. Then, a few months ago, we had both had quite a bit of wine and were getting it on, as you do. I was on top, cowgirl, and without warning he tried to push his penis into my bum. I was horrified and shouted at him. Like I was going up and down, obviously, and he tried to do that as I was lowering myself down - it could have really hurt me. I made him sleep downstairs. In the morning he had no memory of it as he was pretty drunk. I had to explain what he’d done and he apologised profusely.

Fast forward to 10 days ago, the 30th. We’d had a rare night pre-NY night out in a different city without the kids, and had a hotel room booked. After dinner and quite a few drinks, we went back to our hotel and were having sex. Again, I was on top. Again, to my total horror, he tried to quickly push his penis into my bum. I jerked away and said ‘No!’ And he tried to do it again.

To be honest, it’s a bit of a blur after that. I was crying and gathering up my stuff, while he was begging me to stop and apologising. I got dressed, grabbed some stuff and went to the hotel reception to book another room for myself. I didn’t know what I was doing really; I just knew I wanted to get away. He somehow managed to get my room number and knocked on my door. Again, apologies, crying, so so sorry.

I left the next morning and took the train back to our city, while he drove to his parents’ to get the kids. The kids are back here with me now and he’s staying with friends while I try to sort out the muddle in my head.

What do I do? Am I being unreasonable? I feel guilty because he’s clearly so upset and remorseful, but I just can’t get over the fact that he did that to me, and it wasn’t the first time. I’m just in shock and feel numb. I feel like I don’t want him near me. I don’t know if I can trust him ever again. He’s devastated - messaging, calling, promising to make things better and offering to stop drinking etc. I don’t know whether to give him another chance or not.

Please, please give me some advice. My parents divorced when I was 11 and it was horrendous. I don’t want to do that to my kids, but I just don’t know if I can ever trust him again.

OP posts:
VelvetScrunchie · 10/01/2020 22:39

Sorry, I've posted this twice :(

OP posts:
elf1985 · 10/01/2020 22:45

I have no advice. But I do have a hug. You poor thing. He is a pig.

12345kbm · 10/01/2020 22:47

He's done it three times now. The first time may have been excused as he was drunk, hadn't done it before, stopped when you protested and made it up with you and apologised. All well and good.

The second and third time, no. He was perfectly aware it was not something you wanted to do given your reaction last time. He then tried it again.

He will try it again.

Contact Rape Crisis www.rapecrisis.org.uk/ or, if you need to talk to someone now, the National Domestic Abuse Helpline 0808 2000 247 as they are open 24 hours. Talk to them in order to allay any confusion you may have and for advice on what to do next.

I understand that you were affected by your parents divorce, and divorce with children involved is never easy. However, you need to protect yourself before this man succeeds in raping you.

Perhaps get away for the weekend to get some space.

BMW6 · 10/01/2020 22:52

I don't think anyone can really advise you on this - it is how YOU feel about these incidents that matters.

This is obviously really upsetting for you. Only you can decide what you want to do, but I would recommend keeping a distance for a few days at least to think it through.

Alininja91 · 10/01/2020 22:52

I think maybe have a conversation regarding anal sex, it's clearly something he wants to do, maybe have a conversation with him sober about how you don't want to do or try anal. And you don't think it's unreasonable to ask him to stop drinking, or if he does go for a drink to sleep on a friends sofa for the night?
I'm probably going to get people getting pissy at me for saying this but my fella did the same before, but in all honestly due to him being drunk he genuinely just got the wrong hole. It happened again so I asked him if he wanted anal and he said yeah so... I did anal! I quite liked it so we do it now and again. HOWEVER that being said, if you have already had said conversation, then I would say that yes possible sexual assault and you'd be within your rights to end the relationship as it's a massive violation of your body!

VelvetScrunchie · 10/01/2020 23:02

We have had anal in the past a few times, but both agreed it wasn’t our favourite thing ever. This just feels different, like he knew he wasn’t supposed to do it...the worst thing is he could have really physically hurt me

OP posts:
12345kbm · 10/01/2020 23:04

People have very blurred ideas about sexual consent.

Someone cannot consent to being groped when they are asleep. The OP did not consent to being groped as she was unconscious. Unwanted sexual contact is sexual assault.

The OP did not consent to anal and made it very, very clear that it was unwanted sexual contact.

Her husband is pushing her boundaries and his behaviour is escalating. You don't go away to think about staying with someone who is likely to go on to rape you.

Waitingforadulthood · 10/01/2020 23:06

I'm so sorry you're going through this. He's actively repeatedly tried to have non consensual anal sex with you. First time perhaps could be argued drunk and confused. Second and third time?! He's a horrible disrespectful pig.

I'm not at all adverse to anal, but true consensual and enjoyable anal needs consent and, well, a lot of preparation. As you have said he could have physically hurt you if he succeeded.

Quartz2208 · 10/01/2020 23:06

You were there and you feel it was different and that he could have hurt you so that is what counts

Sagradafamiliar · 10/01/2020 23:07

He's a porn sick pig. I'm so sorry, OP Thanks
This thread isn't the place for people to say how much they enjoy anal. My god.

CatalogueUniverse · 10/01/2020 23:09

He knew what he was doing and he was doing it by stealth not consent. That’s what he needs to talk about.

madcatladyforever · 10/01/2020 23:15

One time as a drunken mistake maybe but three times? Hmm

Does he understand what no means? And is now saying he won't drink again which is pretty much shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.

No means no, it doesn't mean using being pissed as an excuse every time until you get your own way time and time again.

There are consequences for this kind of behaviour.

Interestedwoman · 10/01/2020 23:18

'. Like I was going up and down, obviously, and he tried to do that as I was lowering myself down - it could have really hurt me. I made him sleep downstairs. In the morning he had no memory of it as he was pretty drunk.'

Yeah, right.

'Again, I was on top. Again, to my total horror, he tried to quickly push his penis into my bum. I jerked away and said ‘No!’ And he tried to do it again.'

You'd told him off for it the previous time and said you hadn't wanted it. So, he knew you didn't want it. This is rape. You even said no and then he tried to do it again. Attempted rape.

So sorry you went through this. :( Hugs xxx

'I think maybe have a conversation regarding anal sex, it's clearly something he wants to do, maybe have a conversation with him sober about how you don't want to do or try anal.'

Erm, he tried to bugger the OP without consent three times, and your response is, 'oh, he wants to try anal, have a conversation about it,' ?!
'

12345kbm · 10/01/2020 23:18

Also, just to make the OP aware. This is a sexual fetish. Men film themselves having unwanted anal. They film consensual sex and then thrust themselves into the anus of their partner without warning (hurting them and risking internal damage including colon penetration and faecal incontinence). They post it online for other sickos to get off on.

Weenurse · 10/01/2020 23:20

Conversation needs to be had.
He needs to know you did not consent and this is not okay.
Only you can decide if this is breaking point for you.💐

nocoolnamesleft · 10/01/2020 23:24

It happened more than once. Either he knew that he had attempted to sexually assault you when drunk, then happily got drunk enough to do it again. Or he wasn't as drunk as that and knew what he was doing. Either the sexual assault or the getting drunk enough to sexually assault you was an act of volition on his part. I don't know which. But if he were truly as mortified as he pretends, then he'd have made damn sure not to have done it again. Even if that meant staying sober.

StarUtopia · 10/01/2020 23:32

Conversation needs to be had.
He needs to know you did not consent and this is not okay.
Only you can decide if this is breaking point for you.💐

^^ THIS. personally i wouldn't be splitting up my family and devastating my children without a full blown conversation and an insistence it is NOT OKAY, you DO NOT CONSENT and things must change. Insist he ditches the alcohol immediately.

More communication is needed.

Also, I do believe some people for react differently to alcohol. My DP is basically the same just a bit dozy. One of his mates is like a different person. Your husband is obviously someone who doesn't suit alcohol at all. Have you insisted before that he stops drinking? I think for me this would be the time to say it's a necessity.

LuluJakey1 · 10/01/2020 23:34

I would not be having sex with a drunk man who behaved like this.

12345kbm · 10/01/2020 23:38

The OP did tell her husband that she did not consent the first time. They've already had that conversation!

He tried it again and she told him that she did not consent and then he tried it again.

He has also been groping her in her sleep.

You are advising her to stay with a potential rapist in order to keep the family together.

90% of rapes are by someone you know.

Do you want the OP to come back in a month and say he's succeeded?

seriouslystressedoutmama · 10/01/2020 23:42

My ex forced me to have anal sex to prove I loved him after I'd kissed someone on a drunken night out. We had multiple conversations about how I didn't want it. And how I hated it and it hurt. He still did it. I remained with him for a few years after that split amongst horrid circumstances on his part. But I always think back to that and how he forced me to do it and it makes me sick. I haven't told anyone bar here. But I know how you feel and how conflicting it is and how utterly bereft you must be as his betrayal

Annasgirl · 10/01/2020 23:49

How can any woman (or man) come onto this thread and advise the OP to talk to her husband????? Or to "try it, you might like it"?????

I despair of humanity when I read these threads. (Not you OP - the posters).

OP, you have now been sexually assaulted 3 times by your husband (I will not use the D for him). For me, once would be a line in the sand but I think you are within your rights here to decide this is not something you can get over and you need to split. If it was your friend or daughter what would you advise? Take that advice.

Aknifewith16blades · 10/01/2020 23:52

It's repeated attempted rape.

The only acceptable amount of abuse in a relationship is none. For me, that would be relationship ending.

TooTrueToBeGood · 10/01/2020 23:54

You are advising her to stay with a potential rapist in order to keep the family together

Nothing potential about it, he is an actual rapist, he raped her. Being drunk is no excuse, being married is no excuse. He has no excuse, he raped her.

12345kbm · 10/01/2020 23:59

I don't believe there was penetration. I believe he tried to penetrate but did not succeed. If I am wrong OP, forgive me for minimising your experience.

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