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Cheat and now feel awful

96 replies

Beastm0de · 10/01/2020 09:26

Ok, I’ve been married for 13 years and never once done anything remotely classified as cheating ever....

But recently at an Xmas party (i know) I got way too drunk and ended up sleeping with a co worker. It was nice... and I enjoyed it, although being drunk as hell. It felt good to have that spontaneous, random, fun again? Like that that don’t give a F, kinda fun. Which I used to be like before the kids/wife. I’ve always been good with woman and had a very accomplished teen/early 20s I thought I got it all out of my system...

Now the other woman is obviously not interested, it was just “fun” for her and I can live with that. She’s gone a bit cold, said she felt awful that she slept with a married man, understandable.

I was comfortably numb in life at that point. I want to still be married, I loved my wife, kids and life, I have everything most people dream about. Big house nice cars devoured family, but since that night I just feel empty... I’ve been going to the gym everyday, it’s the only time I feel sane again where I’m not over thinking things or being inexcusably mean to my awesome family. I’m always pissed of, I drink more then ever, I feel like shit. I have suicidal thoughts and it’s just not getting better....

Genuinely don’t know what to do to make things right again. Or do I even deserve that? Am I a horrible person? Do I tell my wife??

OP posts:
annielouise · 10/01/2020 11:58

"I’ve always been good with woman and had a very accomplished teen/early 20s I thought I got it all out of my system..."

You're a shallow, unpleasant person. You've "always been good with women" and were "very accomplished". The way you talk it seems you don't see women as people but as objects.

What does "very accomplished" even mean? You managed to convince them to go to bed with you? You've about as much depth as a puddle.

Wishforsnow · 10/01/2020 12:18

If the woman at work had not gone cold and acted disinterested do you think you would feel this way now or would you more likely be having an affair now?

Livandme · 10/01/2020 12:22

I think you speak to your dw and tell her you are not feeling yourself, so she doesn't question herself.
Work out what you want to do.
Are you happy?
I'd say not if you slept with someone else.

I knew my marriage was pretty much over when I kissed someone else. Im not excusing that, it was wrong but the fact I did it, meant at the bottom of my heart, I knew my marriage had no real future.
I did try nevertheless but it wasn't going to happen for me and h, other things had happened for too long without much attention.

My friend gave me some advice the other day, I will pass it to you. Your partner is meant to be your best friend, the person you want to do things with and make plans with. Do you feel like that?

Biancadelrioisback · 10/01/2020 12:24

The amount of times I've seen threads like this but written by the wife who cheated on the husband and everyone tells her to not tell him and still finds a way to blame him...

Beastm0de · 10/01/2020 14:23

I literally was the best husband/father ever up until that point and I have had women flirt with me before even when I have been drunk and have always, always, always walked away for the simple reason that I loved my relationship and my life and that was more important to me then anything else.

I really don’t know why I did it with this one person, it was a total mistake. I just don’t regret it for the reasons I should and it’s killing me. I guess I do feel a little crap that the Ow doesn’t want to carry it on too.. but I don’t understand why..

The worst part is I have to see the OW a few times a year at work events and the most recent one it wasn’t awkward at all. It was like normal..
Apart from the everyday grind in life of being a husband and father, I thought I was all good and happy.

I do appreciate the honesty from the replies, I knew I would get a lot of stick for this and I know I deserve it.

Just whole thing just sucks...

OP posts:
Beastm0de · 10/01/2020 14:28

Also by “accomplished” I meant I did what every other young guy does when they are young and had fun... I don’t think of women as objects...

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cheesydoesit · 10/01/2020 14:31

We need a tiny violin emoji.

Goodnightjude1 · 10/01/2020 14:39

Mistakes happen...yes.

You ‘love’ your wife.....no.

Tell her and let her start afresh with someone that won’t break her heart for a quick shag.

Branleuse · 10/01/2020 14:46

Im sorry your affair didnt work out man, that must be hard. Your wife probably didnt understand you. Im sorry youre feeling bad about cheating. Im sure your strategy of being mean, prickly and snappy with your wife and children and spending all your free time at the gym rather than them will ease the emptiness soon.
The main thing is that you stayed faithful at first. Surely being faithful for the first few years has got to count for something?

ScreamingLadySutch · 10/01/2020 14:46

DO NOT TELL YOUR WIFE. This is your guilt to bear.

This is NOT about your marriage. It is about YOU being depressed.

You are depressed, OP. You are questioning what is the point of anything but you are going about it in a destructive way.

Please, please, please please - you can afford therapy. Go and find yourself a good therapist who understands midlife crisis (it is real).
Go to therapy. Stop snapping at your family and being mean to them (that is a choice).

Nobody laughs at men in torschlungpaniek (the door is slamming shut). But for God's sake - do you Men have to be so destructive with it?

3littlebirdsmamma · 10/01/2020 14:46

As a person who has been cheated on by her husband one of the things that hurt as much as the betrayal was the lies and the disshonesty.
I feel like I was made a total fool of and it has destroyed my trust in everybody to be honest.
I'm still with him but I will always see him as a dishonest lier and wont trust him again.
If you want to regain any kind of trust you need to tell her the truth and give her the chance to make her own choices.
She will probably be devastated and you have alot of work to do to regain her trust.

loserssaywhat · 10/01/2020 14:49

Jesus. Your last post is breathtakingly selfish.
You don't feel regret and you're sad the ow doesn't want to carry on an affair with you?
It's all about you isn't it? Sucks to be you.
Such a good man that never, ever even flirted with a woman, like that's something to be proud of? It's the bare minimum when you're in a relationship to not flirt with other women.

Tell your wife. Allow her the courtesy of making a decision about her marriage and her life, based on the truth and all the information available to her.
If you don't and you continue in the marriage and she finds out later she'll realise her marriage based on a lie it will destroy her even more.

And stop being a whiney, selfish twat. You've made this mess. Deal with it.

Repetitivestraininjury · 10/01/2020 15:14

The Donald is that you!

ScreamingLadySutch · 10/01/2020 15:19

Comfortably numb is depression. Please tell your wife that you are depressed and hurting, and that you want to find someone you can talk to about it.

PRIVATE LIES A WEB OF SECRECY SURROUNDS MOST EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS. BUT HERE A PSYCHIARTRIST DISPELS A FEW OF THE MYTHS ABOUT THEM. READ ON -- AND EXPECT A FEW SURPRISES.
CATHY LAWHON, Orange County Register
SUN-SENTINEL

Privacy Policy
Have an affair, go to divorce court? Not necessarily.

The assumption that infidelity automatically severs the marital knot is one of seven myths about infidelity, says Dr. Frank Pittman, who spends most of his professional life examining people's extramarital affairs. The Atlanta psychiatrist and family therapist says the following myths are perpetuated by a society in which "affairs are the most common marital ailment the flesh is heir to."

Everybody does it: "That's not quite true," Pittman says. "The statistics and they're not trustworthy -- are that half of married men and one-third of married women have had affairs."

-- Affairs are good for you: Or so say self-appointed authorities, such as Playboy and Cosmopolitian magazines.

"The theory is that having an affair can revive a dull marriage," Pittman says. "But that's based on the assumption that life is a constant battle against marriage and that one attains victory over marriage with affairs."

-- If there is infidelity, it means the other partner is not loved: "The reality is that having an affair is not a reaction to not loving your mate. You have affairs because of things about you, not things about your partner. Sure, there are people out there who don't love anybody and they would be doing the same thing no matter who they were married to."

-- The affair partner must be sexier than the marriage partner: "This assumes that affairs are about sex," Pittman says. "But in truth, most affairs involve little sex. There is a lot of time spent on the telephone arranging quiet lunches to talk about getting together for sex. And when you finally do, it's not very good.

"Affairs are about adventure, mystery and seduction. Not sex."

-- If a man has an affair, it's his wife's fault: "I had a client who told me he had an affair and when I asked him why, all he could say was, 'I don't know. My wife must have failed me in some way."'

Women who have affairs buy into the myth, too. Once they stray, thus "letting their husbands down," many are determined that their husbands must also be unfaithful. One couple Pittman counseled faced just such a dilemma.

"She was so determined that he should have an affair that she tried to set him up with her friends," Pittman recalls. "He would wake up and find strange women in his bed. It didn't work."

-- It's best not to know: Wrong, says Pittman. Keeping secrets only leads to more lies and deception, even after the affair ends, which can ruin a marriage more quickly than learning the difficult truth.

-- If an affair is revealed, the marriage must end in divorce: In truth, Pittman says, affairs thrive on intrigue and are threatened by exposure. Honesty improves the ability to negotiate within the marriage.

"Most therapists believe in these myths," Pittman says. "And they are right sometimes, but mostly they are wrong."

Flawed as they are, these myths are often all that therapists have to call upon. The scarcity of professional study on affairs has left family therapists "at the mercy of their own individual experience," which is colored by society's Dear Abby approach to affairs, Pittman says.

"The psychological community is scared silly by the whole idea of infidelity. There are no guidelines on how to deal with it. The feeling is that it's too normal to bother with, too dangerous to explore, and that there are no 'expert opinions' on it."

Pittman plans to correct that professional inattention with a book due out this month called Private Lies: Infidelity and the Betrayal of Intimacy, to be published by W.W. Norton.

In the book, Pittman describes four categories of extramarital affairs:

--Accidental adultery: These occur outside the pattern of normal behavior.

"Somehow, you end up in a situation where the only polite thing to do is go ahead and have the affair; it would be rude to back out," Pittman says.

While these are often one-night stands that seem harmless and too inconsequential to mention, Pittman says they can destroy a healthy marriage.

"There is terrible anxiety until the secret is out. It becomes a breach of intimacy. The marriage ends five years later and the couple doesn't even know why."

--Philandering conquests: Philanderers are almost obsessed by the need for constant sexual conquests. These affairs are usually initiated by men, Pittman says, because women with this need don't get or stay married.

"These men must avoid the control of one woman. They have a fear of women, identify heavily with men and declare gender war."

The war is waged in the sexual arena, but women involved are not sex partners; they are objects.

"It's hard to like philanderers," Pittman says. "They're not terribly nice people and they're hard to treat since they develop a certain charm and social skills that get them by in most cases."

--Romantic rendezvous: Romantic affairs are characterized by feelings of intense love for a highly inappropriate partner, i.e. the daughter of a warring family, such as in Romeo and Juliet.

The ultimate expression of a romantic affair is to die together at the moment of consummation.

Romantic affairs begin during crises and serve to distract from the real issues, Pittman says.

--By marital arrangement: The attempt to supplement a bad marriage by having affairs is not new but neither is it effective. These are romances that become realistic. Although they are not explicitly acknowledged by marriage partners, they may be tacitly tolerated.

The result of all kinds of affairs, motivated and maintained by myths and misconceptions, is often the breakup of a marriage that could have been saved with a generous dose of honesty and openness, Pittman says.

"Infidelity is not about sex," he insists. "The primary infidelity is in the dishonesty, the lies and the web of secrecy. That dishonesty changes a marriage."

Secrecy, even motivated by the noble attempt to spare the spouse some hurt, means the unfaithful partner becomes trapped by lies.

"You begin to find that your only ally is that person who knows the secret (the affair partner)," Pittman says. "The enemy becomes the marriage partner. You end up living with your greatest enemy.

"Affairs are dangerous," he says. "They end marriages. They end good marriages. They are fueled by secrecy, threatened by exposure and treated by getting the secret out."

PawPawNoodle · 10/01/2020 15:21

You devoured your family? That wasn't very nice of you.

P.s. cheating is gross, sort your demons out, you're probably not as attractive to women as you think you are.

ScreamingLadySutch · 10/01/2020 15:22

If you're a married person contemplating a dalliance, don't tell Dr. Frank Pittman.

The Atlanta psychiatrist and author of several books - including Private Lies: Infidelity and the Betrayal of Intimacy - has had it up to here with adultery in particular and with Americans' notions of romantic love in general.

Pittman is in DeLand today to conduct a seminar for Stetson University's Department of Continuing Education. The seminar, geared to mental health professionals who have registered, will focus on dispelling what Pittman calls the "myths of adultery."

Among them: "The ideas that adultery is normal, expectable behavior, that everybody does it, and that affairs can revive a dull marriage," Pittman told me in a phone interview.

Bunk and balderdash, he says.

OK, Doc, but given your own statistics - that one-half of married men and one-third of married women commit adultery - is there anything we can do to forestall all this dallying?

"We'd do well to choose a better class of celebrities" as role models, the delightfully blunt Pittman says. The folks in People magazine, as well as "politicians, TV evangelists and other kinds of people who need to be celebrities are just not normal," he says.

In addition, "It would be very nice if we saw movies about marriage that were not ridiculing it or making it seem boring and silly," he says.

Oh, and "stop justifying adultery with romance," he demands. Stop rationalizing your irresponsible, destructive behavior with the idea that "if you're in love, then it's OK."

But doesn't love make the world go 'round?

No, that would be commitment.

That walking-on-air, in-love sensation is just a feeling. And, as radio's Dr. Laura pounds into us daily, our feelings shouldn't guide our behavior.

"By romanticizing marriage, we destroy it," Pittman says. Marriage isn't about being turned on sexually for the rest of your life, he says.

"It's a partnership that keeps you from being alone in life, in which there's somebody else whose fate is inextricably intertwined with your own."

Gee, Doc, marriage doesn't sound so appealing when you put it that way. Especially if I don't want this person's fate intertwined with mine anymore. What if two people fall out of love?

"Why the (major four-letter expletive deleted) do you have to be in love to be happy?"

Uh, because it's a human need?

Hog bile, Pittman says.

"Children need to see courageous adults holding marriages together whether they're in love or not," he insists. "What they need to see is people being loving, responsible and mature, no matter how they feel."

Happynewyear22 · 10/01/2020 15:26

Sounds like you are upset because you want to do it again and you wish you didnt. Your cosy previous life is no longer doing it for you.

Dont tell your wife you cheated and your sorry because its unsettled you. She will have no sympathy.

Give it time and you may settle back into your old life. If not then in a year or whatever you will have to fess up and then leave. In the meantime dont be mean to your family. They dont deserve you to take out your mistakes on them.

marshagrey · 10/01/2020 15:31

You made a mistake , we all do , telling your wife is not the answer or even a good idea , put it behind you and move on , concentrate on the good parts of your life , you have many . Being depressed isn't anything to be ashamed of and on this subject I'd certainly tell your wife , it'll help to discuss it with her .

cheesydoesit · 10/01/2020 15:34

For goodness sake just nip this self indulgent nonsense in the bud now and leave your wife. If you take other posters advice of not telling her you know you will only cheat on her again in a few months 'just to feel something' and it will quickly become your new normal.

Go now before you have ground her self esteem into dust.

QueenOfTheSavages · 10/01/2020 15:42

I feel for you that you're depressed and suicidal, but if you don't tell your wife you cheated then your marriage is based on a lie. That's isn't fair to her. Everyone makes mistakes but she has a right to know. Also, women aren't 'accomplishments' Confused

Joker123 · 10/01/2020 15:47

Don’t tell her. Unless you want to end things, it will destroy her and you’re the one in the wrong. You have to live with the guilt.

Get an STI test at home kit - just incase.

Go to the Dr and have a chat.

BonnyConnie · 10/01/2020 15:50

I think you should tell your wife (it would be wrong not to) and seek help with your mental health.

CosmoK · 10/01/2020 15:54

Tell your wife.
You don't even regret what you've done. She deserves to be with someone who actually loves her.

DoctorManhattan · 10/01/2020 16:13

I think you really need to examine things closely here.

You say your marriage is awesome and you love your wife and kids and so on, but your actions don't reflect that. Neither does the apparent lack of real guilt over what happened. You were drunk then, but it sounds like now (even sober) there's a desire for this to happen again.

So there's two scenarios here really.

One is that your home life isn't as amazing as you've convinced yourself - maybe it's the image of your home life you love rather than the reality of family/chores/bills/etc, maybe you're not 'in love' with your wife any more but are in denial, maybe there's deeper seated issues in your marriage which you haven't yet recognised.

The other scenario is that your marriage and home life are indeed amazing, but you are a narcissist, or at least prone to narcissistic qualities. Lack of guilt, focus on what you want, selfishness, being mean to those who love you. Even your numbness and talk of suicidal thoughts are all about you. You don't mention once the impact your actions (either the sex itself, or any subsequent behaviour on your part) affect your family.

I think you really need to think hard about why this happened before you can move forward and decide whether you can come clean. There is absolutely no point otherwise - like anyone who's tasted the forbidden fruit, this scenario will likely repeat itself if you ignore the root cause.

lisag1969 · 10/01/2020 16:32

Go to your Gp.
I wouldn't tell your wife. You will just unburden yourself and burden her.
Also what happens if she wouldn't forgive you.
Try to put it behind you and be nice to your family before they notice and may leave you. X

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