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Husband no longer wants kids

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starry7 · 09/01/2020 22:33

Hello, long time lurker here ... Please excuse the long, rambling post.

My DH and I have been married for 5 years, together for 12 (I'm 33 and he's 32). We spoke about having a family before getting married and several times after, and we both agreed we wanted to have kids one day. The last year or so I'd been bringing it up more often, getting a bit worried about my age (ideally I'd like two) but I always felt he wasn't really into it anymore. Then back in August I told him we should start trying, and he basically said he wasn't sure he wanted to be with me. He said that whenever he thought about our future, he felt a deep anxiety in his chest.

We nearly split up, but then I decided to give him a chance to work his shit out. We then went through several months of counselling, both single and joint. Turns out he was resenting me, and has a fear about having children and being a good dad, and resenting me and the kids in the future. However, I helped him work on his mental health and he kept telling me that he was 'getting there', working on his anxiety and negative attitude etc. Then in late Nov he said he thought he did want kids ... but he needed a bit of time to let the idea sink in. All while this was going on, I was living in hellish limbo.

Anyway, for some TMI reasons, it made sense for us to start trying in the new year. I gently broached this with him around Christmas, went really softly softly, and he was on board. I asked him how he felt about it and he said he was excited. I really can't emphasise how little I pushed him. On the inside however, a huge ball of anxiety released and I was really excited (and shitting it!).

Then ... new year comes around and he says he's changed his mind again. We have a huge argumentbasically a repeat of the one in Augustand I tell him that I can't be with a man who is too indecisive, or who won't grow up and take responsibility for another life, so either we start trying, or I'm done. I told him that while he has lots of time, I don't -- I'm 34 this year and if we split I'm basically giving up my hope of having a family. But at the same time, I don't want to stay with him after how he's behaved.

So, on Sunday I left and went to my mum's. Then on Monday he gets in touch and I deliver my ultimatum again, explaining my reasons, and he says, yes, he wants to try. I ask if he's sure--he says yes. All good. So I come home ...

Then tonight ... he comes back from his counsellor and starts crying--I ask what's wrong, and he says he's still not sure. Then followed another painful, excruciating discussion/argument, with him going round in circles, saying he's worried about picking the 'wrong choice', worried about doing things out of guilt ... basically painting every option in the most negative light. I ask him again: if he wants to stay with me then we need to start trying for a family. He can't answer, so I tell him it's over. I mean really over this time.

I'm not really sure what advice I'm asking here ... basically I want to know if anyone else has been in the same position? Am I wrong to end it? I just don't believe a word he says--he's proven to be quite unreliable in the past. Nothing major, but it all kinda adds up. He's one of these people who says anything in the moment but then goes back on his word or doesn't follow through. He also overthinks things, has Catholic guilt, and a lot of anxiety. I suffer from my own anxiety/depression too, but I've managed to really improve things with a lot of hard work, while he makes hardly any effort (despite my help and support).

Also, I feel that if we split, he'll lose his marriage but he'll probably end up with another woman and have a kid down the line. He's also about to get promoted at work (and I helped him extensively with interview prep and put our relationship stuff on the backburner for the sake of his career).

I on the other hand would basically lose a chance to have a family (I know there'd still be a chance but I couldn't bank on it, or I'd scare away any man who came within ten feet of me). I'm also self-employed but rely on him to support me, so I'd need to give up my career for now and get a job that pays well enough for me to buy him out of the mortgage ... Sorry, I know this is nothing compared to what a lot of people on here go through but I feel like all aspects of my life are completely fucked.

Sorry ... just had to vent. I think I still believe there's hope, but I also know that's probably foolish and I need to accept this and start planning my new future. Urgh, any words of wisdom would be much appreciated.

OP posts:
kazza446 · 11/01/2020 13:52

My first marriage broke up for exactly the same reasons op. I was 30, he was 29. We had been together 6 years. He kept promising we could start a family when I hit 30. A few weeks before I hit 30 he went out one night and slept with someone. He came home remorseful and told me it was over. He didn’t want children. I thought my world had ended and we split up. We did try to get back together a Month or so after breaking up but he just couldn’t promise me a future. I walked away. He had hurt me once and I couldn’t go through it again. I’m now married with 4 beautiful children. He’s still single, never remarried or had children. We are still friends and he is still insistent children won’t factor in his life. It’s such a shame as he’s a beautiful person and would have made a great dad but his relationship with his own dad was very strained and I personally think he was frighten of turning out like his dad.

eminencegrise · 11/01/2020 13:57

It's surprisingly common and usually the man who is stalling or hasn't been honest about kids to keep the woman in their lives selfishly.

Hang in there, starry. You're not alone. I felt like my world had crumbled with ex h admitted he never wanted kids (he was 34) and the whole divorce. Now I wish I'd have confronted the issue sooner.

Aminuts23 · 11/01/2020 14:00

Leave as soon as you can. I stayed till I was 40 and have lost my chance to have kids now. I feel so much anger with myself for staying so long. He took my life choices away and it’s the biggest regret of my life.

MonopolyDog · 11/01/2020 14:00

Honestly, men like this disgust me. Everyone knows a woman's fertility has a window, it's not permanent, everyone knows most people want children. I don't want children and I'm always completely upfront, open and honest. When I've online dated it's been in my profile, I mention it before a first date, I clarify on a first date. And I've been 'tricked' into relationships by being told they don't want children and then when it gets serious they tell me they lied because they thought once we loved each other I'd change my mind 🙄 so I know how awful it feels being lied to like that and I'm sorry it's happened to you.

I don't know anyone who genuinely doesn't want children who doesn't do what I do and make it very clear. I have known my friends and coworkers date men who tell them they don't want kids/have changed their mind about having somewhat into the relationship and then go on to be a father within 18 months with someone else.

Men who definitely 100% do not want kids tend to be very honest about it in my experience because a) they get less grief than women for not wanting kids anyway so don't think it's something to play down b) if there's a birth control accident they have no say in what happens next and are fathers when they didn't want to be.

Also I don't buy that he changed his mind. What if you had a 3 year old and he changed his mind, would he just up and leave 🙄

Sorry you've had such an awful time Wine

georgialondon · 11/01/2020 14:02

Good luck.

I think your gut knows that if you want children then you have to leave him.

You'll have a much better chance of having kids with someone who wants them too.

eminencegrise · 11/01/2020 14:05

I agree, Monopoly. It's very selfish, they just want to have their cake and eat it, too.

I'm so sorry, Aminuts.

I left at 30.

Dozer · 11/01/2020 14:15

These types often have DC later with a younger woman.

myfavouriterain · 11/01/2020 14:26

If you can afford it, leave and do it on your own? I've raised DD from birth alone and while hard, very hard, I would never change it. I was left a few weeks pregnant but have most in common with women who go to a clinic for fertilisation. An increasing number of women. Granted, you may want a husband / partner, but lacking one doesn't have to be an obstacle.

starry7 · 11/01/2020 15:55

Thanks everyone. He’s still away so I’ve got some space to breathe. Just went out for a long walk and can feel my resolve strengthening. I’m gonna work on my CV again tonight so I feel more in control.

@myfavouriterain It’s definitely something I’d consider. I’m also quite open to the idea of adopting at some point down the line. It’s reassuring to know there are still options available to me.

I’m so sorry, @Aminuts23

@eminencegrise Sorry you had to go through this shit too.

@kazza446 It’s great to hear things worked out for you. My DH still behaves like a child when it comes to his dad—won’t stand up to him/desperate to please him, that kinda thing.

@ConfidingFish This is what’s so infuriating. I fully understand that people have fears and anxieties about having kids, I have some myself, and I know firsthand the impact our parents can have on us. I believed he could work through his fears but he’s put so little effort into it and has made zero progress. I just can’t hang around for him to summon the courage to face his fears, if he ever will. It’s very sad. If this was any issue other than kids then I'd be standing by his side.

@mcmooberry I’m sorry you had to put up with such miserable conditions for five months. I fear I might be in for something similar. Thank god for noise-cancelling headphones.

OP posts:
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 11/01/2020 16:32

A split sounds for the best. He’s free to find someone for whom he alone is good enough rather what they can give the other person and you are free to find someone who agrees to have children.

UYScuti · 11/01/2020 18:09

when it gets serious they tell me they lied because they thought once we loved each other I'd change my mind
translation:
'once I've got you locked down I'll be able to make you do what I want'

Guineapigbridge · 11/01/2020 18:27

It sounds like he married too young, is struggling to articulate how trapped he feels in marriage and divorce will be the best option for both of you.

Missarad · 11/01/2020 18:36

Few things u can do. Have unprotected sex and get pregnant (very deceitful and then get divorved) or get divorced and meet someone who is right for u xx

Junie70 · 11/01/2020 18:40

He's strung you along for years. Please don't listen to any more of his dithering, and make a life for yourself away from him. I think it's actually cruel how he's treated you.

Parenting can be an uphill battle at the best of times, and you don't need a ditherer by your side, you need someone who is standing firmly in your corner and singing from the same hymn sheet. Doesn't sound like he's ever been this for you - the comments about your career are equally cruel.

Be brave and don't listen to the more lies that he will inevitably try and spin you Flowers

BecauseReasons · 11/01/2020 18:48

Just to say that you're being very brave and that I hope it all works out for you eventually. Flowers

5LeafClover · 11/01/2020 20:59

- Turns out he's been resenting me ever since.
- Yeah he's been saving that one up for the right moment hasn't he....

This^^

Also, anyone who uses a 'blame, shame and divert' argument style ("I had every right to treat you badly over this because x months ago something completely different happened and you did y". Is not a good partner to build a family with.

💐 Wishing lots of good things for your new future. Stay strong.

billy1966 · 11/01/2020 21:13

You are well rid OP.

He is a whinny waster who has wasted years of your life because he couldn't use his words.🙄

Well rid.

You definitely don't want to have children with a whingy man who would always be a drag on you.

BoxedWine · 11/01/2020 21:50

It sounds like you're doing the right thing. You aren't compatible anymore.

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