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Husband no longer wants kids

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starry7 · 09/01/2020 22:33

Hello, long time lurker here ... Please excuse the long, rambling post.

My DH and I have been married for 5 years, together for 12 (I'm 33 and he's 32). We spoke about having a family before getting married and several times after, and we both agreed we wanted to have kids one day. The last year or so I'd been bringing it up more often, getting a bit worried about my age (ideally I'd like two) but I always felt he wasn't really into it anymore. Then back in August I told him we should start trying, and he basically said he wasn't sure he wanted to be with me. He said that whenever he thought about our future, he felt a deep anxiety in his chest.

We nearly split up, but then I decided to give him a chance to work his shit out. We then went through several months of counselling, both single and joint. Turns out he was resenting me, and has a fear about having children and being a good dad, and resenting me and the kids in the future. However, I helped him work on his mental health and he kept telling me that he was 'getting there', working on his anxiety and negative attitude etc. Then in late Nov he said he thought he did want kids ... but he needed a bit of time to let the idea sink in. All while this was going on, I was living in hellish limbo.

Anyway, for some TMI reasons, it made sense for us to start trying in the new year. I gently broached this with him around Christmas, went really softly softly, and he was on board. I asked him how he felt about it and he said he was excited. I really can't emphasise how little I pushed him. On the inside however, a huge ball of anxiety released and I was really excited (and shitting it!).

Then ... new year comes around and he says he's changed his mind again. We have a huge argumentbasically a repeat of the one in Augustand I tell him that I can't be with a man who is too indecisive, or who won't grow up and take responsibility for another life, so either we start trying, or I'm done. I told him that while he has lots of time, I don't -- I'm 34 this year and if we split I'm basically giving up my hope of having a family. But at the same time, I don't want to stay with him after how he's behaved.

So, on Sunday I left and went to my mum's. Then on Monday he gets in touch and I deliver my ultimatum again, explaining my reasons, and he says, yes, he wants to try. I ask if he's sure--he says yes. All good. So I come home ...

Then tonight ... he comes back from his counsellor and starts crying--I ask what's wrong, and he says he's still not sure. Then followed another painful, excruciating discussion/argument, with him going round in circles, saying he's worried about picking the 'wrong choice', worried about doing things out of guilt ... basically painting every option in the most negative light. I ask him again: if he wants to stay with me then we need to start trying for a family. He can't answer, so I tell him it's over. I mean really over this time.

I'm not really sure what advice I'm asking here ... basically I want to know if anyone else has been in the same position? Am I wrong to end it? I just don't believe a word he says--he's proven to be quite unreliable in the past. Nothing major, but it all kinda adds up. He's one of these people who says anything in the moment but then goes back on his word or doesn't follow through. He also overthinks things, has Catholic guilt, and a lot of anxiety. I suffer from my own anxiety/depression too, but I've managed to really improve things with a lot of hard work, while he makes hardly any effort (despite my help and support).

Also, I feel that if we split, he'll lose his marriage but he'll probably end up with another woman and have a kid down the line. He's also about to get promoted at work (and I helped him extensively with interview prep and put our relationship stuff on the backburner for the sake of his career).

I on the other hand would basically lose a chance to have a family (I know there'd still be a chance but I couldn't bank on it, or I'd scare away any man who came within ten feet of me). I'm also self-employed but rely on him to support me, so I'd need to give up my career for now and get a job that pays well enough for me to buy him out of the mortgage ... Sorry, I know this is nothing compared to what a lot of people on here go through but I feel like all aspects of my life are completely fucked.

Sorry ... just had to vent. I think I still believe there's hope, but I also know that's probably foolish and I need to accept this and start planning my new future. Urgh, any words of wisdom would be much appreciated.

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eminencegrise · 10/01/2020 16:47

She's 33, not 43! I was married within a year of my divorce at 30. It can happen! Why settle for just one child on your own with some stringalong dickhead when it's entirely possible she'll be able to find a decent bloke and have a family.

starry7 · 10/01/2020 20:32

Well, he came home and we discussed the mortgage and sleeping arrangements etc. He told me that he was still trying to sort out his issues and figure out the reason behind his anxiety, but I said it didn't matter--it's over as far as I'm concerned.

Then had a really upsetting couple of hours where we lived separately in the flat (it's small!) and I was basically crying into my dinner. He then asked if there was any chance of a future; I didn't respond. He wants me to give him answers but he's not getting any. Not long after that he said he was going to his mum's (about a 3 hours drive) and he was fishing for me asking him to stay. Didn't know what I wanted really, was just so upset and worried about him driving in this bad weather. He asked if he could kiss me on the head before he left and I said no. He again said that he wanted to keep trying but I told him we wanted different things, and that was that.

Anyway, just needed to get it all out. Feeling really devastated tonight. Thankfully rum, chocolate and Netflix are on hand.

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AnchorDownDeepBreath · 10/01/2020 20:56

I'm sorry, starry.

If it helps at all; I was in pretty much this exist situation a few years ago. We were about to be married and have kids - then he didn't want to anymore. He didn't want to marry me yet; he didn't want to have kids with me yet. He went home to his parents with the same tail-between-legs attitude... he kept saying he'd work on it, we'd find a way.

I had just gone self employed too. I had to go back to a 9 to 5, and eventually move house anyway as he kept turning up unannounced. He moved home after a few awkward months living in the same flat, but then often turned up to collect his post, sometimes arguing that I'd ruined everything, sometimes wanting sex or promising a future.... I wish I'd called it off a long time before I did.

A few years later; I am currently drinking rum with my fiancé, we marry in a couple of months and he cannot wait to start trying for kids after that. It's me that's slowed things down a bit. He's absolutely the best thing that has ever happened to me. I didn't think life could be this good. I met him at work, weirdly. I'm self employed again now and doing better than ever.

I can't promise it'll all work out; but it has for me and I wish I'd not wasted that time dragging things out with the first guy. I thought he was the love of my life, he was not, by miles.

I hope the same is true for you Thanks I can't say there weren't a lot of tears, some horrendous conversations, pain. It hurt so bad some days that I just slept... and I got through a LOT of ebooks to keep my brain busy. Sometimes all I did was go to work, read and sleep. But it's all been worth it this far.

Sillyscrabblegames · 10/01/2020 21:02

Do not have kids with this man. If you do it will only be because you coerced him into it with repeated ultimatums and it will lead to heart break for you and for an innocent child one day.

MostlyChocolate · 10/01/2020 21:10

You poor thing. If it was me I think I'd call it a day on the relationship. I wouldn't want to wake up in hell 3 yrs down the line maybe with postnatal depression and him still being an arse or unfortunately having an SEN or severely disabled child and him being a nightmare about it... This sounds harsh but you can't assume it'll be all alright. You need commitment in the event of bad news in the future Xx

Icepinkeskimo · 10/01/2020 21:11

OP I know you must be devastated by the events, but trust me you have been given some really solid advice by others on here.
Life can drag you down by being with someone you think is the one, and you could be waiting for ever with this man, and to what end? Don't be like me and hang on till my x decided it was time, because the truth was he was stringing me along and there was never a right time as far as he was concerned.
I want you to do what I didn't, break free and your still young, live your life and you will find love I'm sure of it.
Spend this weekend wisely and plan your new life, sending you love.

Wondersense · 10/01/2020 21:13

Keep in mind that it's really important that your man is fully on board in this kids situation. If he's not, he will most likely resent you for it and the changes he will have to make in his lifestyle from having a child around. He may feel differently when he's 40......but then where will you be? You might start trying with him and might get into difficulties. He might never sort out his anxiety. Then you'll resent him for making you wait so long. It sounds to me like you've done the right thing.

Yika · 10/01/2020 21:29

Well done OP.

2020BetterBeBetter · 10/01/2020 21:35
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Ginbauble · 10/01/2020 21:47

Stay strong. You are doing the right thing by splitting up, you cannot (and should not) reach a compromise on this issue.

I'm sure he will try to wheedle back but just remember you have given him lots of support and understanding but ultimately you need to have kids and he is unable/ unwilling to give you them. Even if he says he will, I'd split anyway as he's been so on-off about it up till now.

Supersimkin2 · 10/01/2020 21:49

OP, no one can live with someone like that. Well done.

But be wary - from now on, he'll do everything he can to get your attention and focus and you should do everything to put yourself first.

He's done the classic swinging-the-lead-until-you-dump-him. Well done, again, for realising it couldn't have worked in the long run.

You'll be fine with getting your DC with a man who can be a good father. You're 33, not 46. Looooads of time.

strawberry2017 · 10/01/2020 21:54

The fact that you have been together so long and he still keeps going back and forth he's playing massive games. It's completely unfair. This is something you have openly discussed for years.
I don't think you can ever trust him again.
Stay strong, think about your positive new future and don't settle for second best ever!

starry7 · 10/01/2020 22:18

Thank you all so much

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UYScuti · 10/01/2020 22:25

Turns out he's been resenting me ever since
Yeah he's been saving that one up for the right moment hasn't he.... For him it's a lever that he can pull to get you to dance to his tune

AgnusandMagnus · 10/01/2020 22:35

Never mind you what about the baby? Don't saddle some poor child with this turkey. He doesn't want a child. Don't talk him into being someone's father. It won't end well - for the baby. No way this is the man to lovingly support you through a pregnancy. What if you become unwell? The baby has autism? Is disabled? This is not an emotionally strong man. He will leave you and the baby in the lurch. You are thinking you could go back to work but it might not be so simple depending on how the birth goes. Leave him. Don't bring another child into the world who will withstand all the damage of having a twat for a father. Go be happy and if a baby happens with someone else who really wants a baby then fabulous. If not you're life will still be happier than being shackled to this numpty.

starry7 · 10/01/2020 22:53

@AgnusandMagnus "shackled to this numpty' - thank you for making me laugh Grin

Don't worry, I've no desire to pressure any man into becoming a father. We both come from divorced families and I know the damage it causes, even if the split is fairly amicable. I know there are circumstances where divorce is the best option, but I couldn't bring a child into the world while suspecting deep down that its parents would split.

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mumoftwodc · 10/01/2020 23:16

OP I haven't read the whole thread so please excuse me if I've missed anything but your original post sounds very similar to that of my friends a few years ago. He was in a similar situation with his wife, wanting to start a family and she wasn't keen. They ended up splitting and she immediately got together with another guy and within a yea had had a child and they now have four children. We suspected that the OW must have been in the background.
I hope this isn't the case for you.
If you do split then hopefully you will look back and be thankful that you could make a clean break and will have an opportunity to find a partner and have a family.

Iambloodystarving · 10/01/2020 23:18

You are doing the right thing by leaving.

You are giving yourself a shot of having the future you want.

Someone who moves the goal posts like that (no matter what the reason) will be very difficult to live with.

Good luck and get excited!

seriouslystressedoutmama · 10/01/2020 23:28

I'm really happy you've stuck to your guns OP. Having a child is not for the indecisive. It's better for you to split now then when the baby is born. And believe me I'm a girl who's a single parent to three. I wish to god my ex had told me he didn't love me before we had kids together. And I would have had the opportunity to meet someone who had the same goals as I have. He's still out partying like a 20 year old with his new fiancé while I'm at home mind his kids. I wouldn't wish my place on anyone. You dodged a bullet.

mcmooberry · 11/01/2020 12:41

Well done @starry7 and please stick to your guns, the decision has been made. It's grim living with someone when you have split up with them, I had to for 5 months or so and it was the lowest, most dismal time of my entire life and buying a house on my own, going to viewings etc was grim too (I posted earlier about splitting up with my DH after 13 years aged 36 due to the wanting children issue). All worth it in the end and it will be for you too! Stay strong!!

ConfidingFish · 11/01/2020 12:51

Just to show you how this could have gone. You said in your opening post that he has a fear about having children and being a good dad well Dh also had the same worries but proactively worked on how he would be a good Dad.

He had a very uninvolved Dad himself and didn't want to repeat his childhood. So he didn't. But at no stage did he say no to having children, he knew he wanted them and the wanting over-rode the fear.

eminencegrise · 11/01/2020 13:38

He's full of excuses and victim blaming. It's all your fault because you went self-employed, blah blah blah.

He doesn't sound very mature and so definitely not ready for kids.

So glad you stuck to your guns. You're giving yourself a shot at a better future.

It's hard but you'll get there because you are no longer wasting your time.

eminencegrise · 11/01/2020 13:42

Yes, mcmoo, I remember that well, the having to live together, sell the house, get another place (I bought a flat). Definitely worth it in the end.

Berthatydfil · 11/01/2020 13:43

I had 3 children between the ages of 34 and 38 so you have time

Shplot · 11/01/2020 13:50

He wants answers but wouldn’t give you any, stringing you along like that.
Personally I’d say go counselling with him, have a proper mediated discussion about how nobody has a clue how to parent but we all muddle along and do our best, does he see children in his future, yes or no. If not fine but you want different things so that’s the end. Ask him why a future with you fills him with anxiety and how does he think that makes you feel etc get it all out.
Ultimately if you do separate you might meet the one online (my friend was married with a baby 18 months after meeting someone online!)
I also truly believe that some people have their children waiting for them to adopt them, maybe your baby is out their waiting for you and you don’t need a man for that!