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Is It In My Head?

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callysuper · 05/01/2020 00:56

I've just got home from a pretty disastrous holiday with my boyfriend (been together almost a year) - it's one of several disastrous trips where he's been moody, sulky and mean and, despite me trying allsorts to ease the tension and cheer him up and make the most of the time away, he's been unbearable. To the point where I even looked into alternative means of getting home this time round (we were in Europe). No matter what I did, he either stayed in his mood (but flat-out denied anything was wrong), or snapped and accused me of being over sensitive on the occasions I did ask him why he was so irritable. It's hard to spell out what he was doing in black and white terms, because often he'd say or do something and then either deny it or say it was a joke. Or he'd make out I was the one in the wrong. But some examples include:

Mocking me for checking beforehand that the b&b had a hairdryer. I prefer to blow dry my hair as it's quite curly, we had a nice couple of dinners planned, it's what I wanted but he laughed and scoffed and rolled his eyes and made out it was me being vain.

Suggesting we walk three miles to dinner rather than getting public transport. The dinner was in the evening, it was chucking it down, it was at a nice restaurant (he'd booked it) and the plan was for me to put a frock and heels on and get dressed up. When I suggested this wasn't ideal (initially in a jokey way, I could tell his sulk was building so didn't want to ask him WTF he was talking about), he made out he couldn't understand what my problem was. Shrugging and smirking when I pushed him on it, and when I was saying 'you really don't understand what that's not a great idea?'. In the end I felt like the one who was being a bore/difficult.

Blanked me at a restaurant when I tried to jolly him up. It sounds pathetic but I tried to sing at him and ruffle his hair (I was getting desperate to get a smile from him at this point) - he literally ignored me. Didn't look up from his menu. He did this a couple of times.

Repeatedly pretended not to hear me. Or, when I started a story would start looking at his phone. I stopped speaking and eventually he looked up and said for me to carry on. I said I'd finish when he'd finished what he was doing on his phone (scrolling through FB). He just pretended not to hear that and looked back at his phone. I didn't finish the story in the end.

Kept saying he'd made me cross, but about small things that I really wasn't cross about. Eg we went to a bar we wanted to try and it was closed and he made this big thing about 'I'm sorry, I've let you down, have I made you cross now?' but in this weird sarcastic tone. I really wasn't cross, it was just one of those things, but he kept it going.

Reading all this back I know it's not good, but I suppose I'm looking for reassurance that I'm not overreacting or over sensitive or difficult or asking for too much. I'd also like to hear from people who've been in similar positions. I'm a smart woman with a career and great friends and my own lovely home (that he takes the piss out of) and a brilliant son (he also has a couple of kids - we don't live together) and I've read enough forums to know that these are all indications of narc behaviour, so why am I questioning it and myself and obsessing over the details, rather than just telling him to fuck off? Any feedback would be most welcome. Thank you for reading.

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 06/01/2020 21:35

If he has a key, make sure you get the locks changed, don't just trust him to return the key and not have a copy made.

Honestly, change the locks. It's not worth the risk.

vegvegveg · 06/01/2020 21:45

OMG my ex was like this he would chip and chip away at me in this subtle way and then if I lost my cool and tried to call him out he would gaslight me into thinking I was crazy and unhinged.

It was utterly miserable, don't what I did and get pregnant! bin him.

vegvegveg · 06/01/2020 21:48

Oh and I wouldn't bother telling him why, he will tie you up in knots and make you feel like you're imagining it. Just walk away.

MrsGrindah · 06/01/2020 21:52

OP..I hope you really really enjoy dumping his sorry arse!

BiscoffLover · 07/01/2020 06:51

@callysuper I'm sorry for you too Thanks sending you all the strength you need.

hellsbellsmelons · 07/01/2020 09:17

So pleased you are ending this.
What an abusive miserable prick he is!
The gaslighting is crazy.
Stay strong.
Don't be 'hoovered' back in.
You got this!

BendyLikeBeckham · 07/01/2020 10:34

Sounds like the classic:

love bomb
devalue
discard

rinse and repeat.

He is devaluing you right now. Glad you've decided to end it. Don't delay it to allow space for him to challenge your decision. Decide for yourself that there will be no post mortem discussion of the relationship with him.

You don't need his permission or agreement to end it. Just do it. Tell him you are not happy with him so you are moving on. Block him on your phone and change your locks.

MrsJasonIsbell · 07/01/2020 10:43

Sounds like my ex - these abusers think we are their hostages, not their partners. I ended up physically hurt by him and in hospital after only a year when I tried to end it.
Like you, he tried to erode all that was mine (and cut me off from the important people in my life).
I completely empathise and want you to know you're not imagining it.
Big hugs. Sorry this is happening. Get out and stay safe!

callysuper · 07/01/2020 12:52

I'm really overwhelmed by the response to this - thank you so much. These are just a handful of examples, I have reams more. Cant believe I've been wavering on this. Constantly questioning myself. What a horror of a man. Thank you.

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Mostlyhappy4 · 07/01/2020 13:06

Hi @callysuper, I know you've decided to end things with him but I'm just another poster saying I'm so glad you've come to this realisation. I have an ex (and father of my children) just like this. He also has a temper, though, unfortunately, and yet would constantly twist things to say that I have a terrible temper, am mad, do the sulking etc, it's a head fuck. Unfortunately, it took me years to end the relationship so I'm glad you've come to your senses now. My ex, too, was seen as lovely and easy going by his friends (and indeed he could be very lovely and easy going at times). I have no doubt he's painted me as a mad, deranged, angry woman to his current girlfriend and family but I don't care any more. Glad you've seen a way out and all best wishes to you x

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Middersweekly · 07/01/2020 13:17

OMG he actually sounds insufferable. Rude and obnoxious. There isn’t a chance I would put up with the behavior you’ve described. He would be in the bin faster than a dominos delivery!

spongejack · 07/01/2020 13:17

I've posted in the wrong place, have asked mnhq to remove!

ALittleBitConfused1 · 08/01/2020 07:13

Its so surreal for me to read this post as I remember all of the things you are saying. The feeling like I cant talk about it to anyone because it makes me sound oversensitive or crazy. It's funny though because I realised once I did start telling people they loked at me aghast. One of my friends said to me you know this is abuse right? That's when I realised that telling people is where he lost the power.
Dont bother trying to explain to him. He wont admit it. He knows what he is doing. He knows he is manipulating you and making you feel how you do. I tried this. Mine used to twist and turn it all around over and over and over until in the end I didnt know what was up and what was down and I be in such a state hed say, see I told you ....look at the state of you.
Eventually I started calling him out on his gas lighting everytime. Standing up for myself. Walking out and leaving him everytime he tried his shit. I told my family what he was doing, everytime he did it. I called him out on his behaviour everytime. While it meant I was regaining my power it was exhausting and pretty much drove me to be exactly what he said I was crazy. I was well on my way to a breakdown when i realised no one....not one person/relationship had ever made me feel like this ever. However all of his relationships had been abusive. I ended it. He then realised I was done and he became physically abusive. It ended very traumatically and the police were involved. There was a trial and I won.
Getting over him was the hardest thing ever. I did not know who I was or what I thought anymore. I was back to front and inside out mentally. I did have a break down and I realised I could not let him destroy me so I started to fight.
Look up the cycle of abuse. He will sense he is losing power and switch to mr nice. Please do not be fooled. He will not change. Just end it but make sure you're safe. Never under estimate how nasty they can get when they loose control. But do not engage with him. This isn't working Its ending. I would then cut all contact.
Nearly 3 years on and my restraining order has now ended the guy still sends me takeaways the dick. My sister saw him in town recently and he followed her round a shop. I still hear from his 'dad'
I ignore it all. Its took me a long time and a lot of work to rebuild myself. I do suffer with PTSD which can be horrific but I'm happy. I've lost a shed of weight, joined a gym. Got promotion. Completed specialist therapy and decorated my house. But please do not stay with him and get to the point I did, he nearly killed me physically and mentally. Get out now before it drives you mad.

Baileys4two · 08/01/2020 07:28

@callysuper, can't say whether he's truly abusive or not, but he is a moody arse.

That never gets better, so ask yourself if you really want to spend your life tiptoing around his moods and trying to snap him out of it.

Personally, I'd run whilst you're not too invested. Flowers

callysuper · 08/01/2020 08:34

@Baileys4two yes I wondered that, but then I've be ready reading my notes from last year and there are so many more things. Pinching my thigh because I was 'getting on his nerves', shouting at me in the street until I cried then flat out denying it, mocking the things I like....calling me 'fucked up'...this isn't just a grumpy old man.

@ALittleBitConfused1 I'm sorry you've been through this and really am glad you're out of it. It sounds awful. I don't think he will get physical as I think this has happened with a previous girlfriend - I think he'll just move straight on to someone else. I haven't seen him all week but the cycle of abuse is apparent as he keeps messaging me with all manner of nice things. I'm giving very little back until the weekend, when I can tell him (over the phone) that we're done.

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Muddyfunker · 08/01/2020 09:01

I'm a cop of about 15 years.

It's domestic abuse, not physical but mental which is equally bad. Subtle as it may be it's real and it's affecting you.

Tell him to get fucked.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 08/01/2020 09:20

I never thought mine would either but I see now that alot of the way he treated me was about conditioning me not to rebel. He wanted to control the whole relationship as well as me. If we argued he wouldn't talk to me unless he decided. But the times i told him need space he would bombard me. It was all on his terms. I tried to end it so many times but he just went on and on that's why if I had my chance again I would have ended it over the phone then blocked him on everything.
He wasnt violent towards me until i finally ended it and I finally got him out of my house. He then realised that his mental avise was working anymore, his normal tools of controlling the situation were null and void then he kicked off big time. Apparently stats prove that this is common behaviour in abusive men. Think the equivalent of 3 year old stamping their feet and throwing a tantrum. Never ever ignore the fact that this is a vulnerable and potentially dangerous time for you. Hence the not telling him in person and not engaging in any contact with him.

MargeSimpsonswig · 08/01/2020 09:58

Yep, total narcissist! I'm so glad you have decided to end things OP. It's common for narcs to be absolute bastards on special occasions (they hate attention being away from them) and also on holiday (where they have you nice and isolated). Narc exH used to do this regularly.

Watch youtube videos by Little Shamen and Lisa Romano. Learn how to spot the early warning signs so you never end up with one again (like I did)

randominternetperson · 08/01/2020 10:44

He pinched your thighs when he found you annoying? OP this has already got physically abusive - yes it's subtle but still there. To be honest I'd change the locks text him it's over and block in every way possible then go to stay with friends or family over the weekend.
(I'd actually be tempted to ghost altogether tbh!)

callysuper · 08/01/2020 17:23

@randominternetperson yes he did. The inside of my thigh, because I was messing around trying to have a laugh and he suddenly didn't like it. Total prick, right. I stopped and asked him why he'd done that and he shrugged and said I was getting on his nerves. Didn't see the big deal.

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callysuper · 08/01/2020 17:24

@MargeSimpsonswig that's interesting. Feels so calculated but I wonder if it's subconscious. Either way, I'm never doing it again.

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Ididit2019 · 09/01/2020 00:14

Is he my ex?! He would pinch my calf or thigh hard everytime he didn't like what I was saying but wouldn't let go until I'd said sorry but pass it off as playfighting except when I was pregnant I realised it wasn't! Isn't it funny how many traits these sort of people have in common with each other.

callysuper · 09/01/2020 09:03

@Ididit2019 imagine if it were the same guy? So bizarre. It was so shocking at the time but even after confronting him and him giving such a nonchalant excuse, I totally brushed it off

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BendyLikeBeckham · 11/01/2020 13:03

he has conditioned you to accept this. Gaslighted you into questioning your own version of events.

Good luck ditching him this weekend OP. I would NOT do it by phone as it gives him the chance to question and argue with you. Which he will because things should only end when HE says so. He will be angry you have taken control. Take yourself out of the firing line. Text and done.

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