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Was I right to end things over this?

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Teensandfuture · 22/12/2019 23:14

Hi, looking for some perspective please.
I've just ended a relationship with someone I was seeing for nearly a year.
On and off relationship, but this time round it did feel like it was going somewhere.
Bit of background :both 40, I have 2 nearly grown up children, they are independent and not involved in the sense that he never stayed at ours, I always stay at his. He's divorced with 2 primary age kids. His ex wife is now engaged and fiance lives at hers. My bf is actually renting a house from the fiancé of his ex wife (I know, weird but bf claims it all works for them). I have never met the children or ex wife or fiance. Firstly when I wanted to, it was too soon and he refused saying just that, later on I didn't really bother and probably avoided it myself. His children are his first priority and rightly so, same as mine to me. We managed to fit in our time together fine.
Although he try so hard to act cool around exwife and fiance, I know his confidence knocked out as fiance is more financially successful and he feels he's losing in comparison and can't match up financially and give kids as much as fiance does.
Couple of examples of bf not managing : they all(bf, kids, exwife and fiancé) were invited by old friend to christening and although bf was enthusiastic going, made up an excuse and didn't go. I was supportive of him going, He lied to me, saying he did go, but actually stayed home in bed.
2nd example : he planned a special birthday shopping trip with his dc and gave it absolutely all he could afford to his dc to make them happy,trying really hard to have a special one to one day. on the way back on the train exwife, fiance and friends apparently were travelling home, dc run to them showing presents and they invited bf for a drink after they all come off the train. All seems civil and nice. Bf is complaining they ruined his special day with dc but of course he never showed it to them, only moaning to me.
Now the drama that happened between us.
I haven't seen him since Monday morning and was going to come back on Monday night after work (he was unwell I was looking after him), he in last minute said he's knackered can we do something Friday instead. I reluctantly agreed. Meanwhile he got delivery of my Christmas present to him and said he's not opening it without me, waiting for me on Friday. Importantly to mention we didn't plan to spend Christmas together, but planned to spend new years eve together. He was going to his parents this Sunday, which is today, I was meant to be home with my kids and their father (we are friendly for big occasions - birthdays, celebrations) Bf was meant to have kids Saturday and going to his parents (live far away) straight after dropping kids off on Sunday. So Friday night was really our last chance at Christmas gift exchange and spending quality time together. I was busy all day, we spoke and texted throughout the day on the phone and no plans were changed , we were to spend evening together. He usually picks me up when I say so/when ready. So when I finished all my commitments, I texted him saying I'm ready. He didnt reply. I called, he refused call texted he's having dinner with kids at their house(complete news to me) . I have asked what's the plan then. He said he'll be there for another hr or do and does it work for me. I have asked if exwife and finance out and that's why he's with the kids? He didn't reply. I found it strange, called again his phone was off. I was getting really pissed off by this point, I knew he's avoiding me, but why I wasn't quite sure. A bit of time passed, I messaged him fine, come get me when you finished as I'm home. He replied he had a drink and can't drive. I've called again asking what is he doing, where is he? Was he in the pub or what. He said he's at kids house and he'll be leaving in 20 minutes. I hear male voice in background, assuming it's fiance. About 20 minutes pass, I'm calling bf again, he picks up, connection is really bad, barely hear him, call back twice, same thing. I'm assuming he left already and get to the zone of better connection. I'm dialing 4th or 5th time, admittedly already pissed off, female on the other line, through a bad connection picks up asking am I calling for (bfs name) I say yes. She says he's spending time with his children. I'm asking if he's drunk or what?thinking why somebody else would pick up? She says she feels offended as if he needs to be drunk to spend time with his children? I said I'm sorry it all came out wrong, what I mean is he's acting weird. She says again he's with children and female to female she wants to tell me that if I'm calling 3/4 times I should get the hint that he doesn't want to speak to me if he doesn't pick up. I said I'm calling because we have plans tonight. She repeats you have plans tonight? I hear male voice in background (assuming fiance) saying it's not that he doesn't want to speak to me, he's just busy with the children. Female hangs up the phone. I feel it's all out of control and I guess trying to apologise, call back again, my call is refused.
I feel absolutely mortified, disrespected and humiliated.
I text bf back saying why did he put me in this position when we had plans and I don't think there's come back from it as I feel massively disrespected by his ex wife and him letting that happen . I end the relationship by text basically and due to upset, telling him few not very nice things, reminded him of how well I treated him and how he repays me now.
I ended up having few drinks and said probably more than I should, amongst them that I don't want to see or speak to him but I want all my things back tomorrow, before he goes to his parents, and I want my present back as I want to return it and get money back, as he doesn't deserve a present from me.
All my messages undelivered until next day. Next day he read it all, not replied. I have called back left voice message saying I want all my stuff today, getting even more annoyed. He replied saying he'll bring my things in the afternoon,which he did. When I seen him he was visibly upset. I have asked him if he's going to apologise to me at all. He said what can I say, nothing left to say, is there? To which I said all your fault, not mine. He didn't reply, just left.
No communication since then.

So that's the story. Is it my fault, have I acted like an idiot or I was right to end things? Should I have been more patient or there's really nothing to salvage here?

OP posts:
Sparkle567 · 18/01/2020 20:03

Why would you continue that convo?

Interestedwoman · 18/01/2020 20:08

He was disrespectful or allowed his ex to be, and you are a bit intense, unless you'd immediately decided you wanted to end the relationship and that's why you were repeatedly contacting him, in order to flame him? Which is fine if that's how you felt and what it was.

If you wanted the relationship to continue, after that call with her and after one or two msgs to him, you should've stopped.

I saw a therapist and she said msg people once and then only msg back when they reply to you- that way you'll know who truly likes you. Also that way you don't overwhelm someone, make yourself seem a bit unstable to the person you're contacting, and make them less likely to contact you or want to be involved with you. If you seem desperate the other person will be less interested.

I understand why you behaved as you did, but he would have to be a very patient guy or be really into you for the relationship to come back from this.

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 20:20

I didn't say I want to continue the convo, and I don't want to.
I basically relayed the whole conversation.
Anyone can explain to me what the hell was this whole relationship?
Apparently he didn't want to be with me, but at the same time making plans for holidays just a week prior to the whole thing.

I'm feeling like a crazy person, like it was never reciprocated and I made up the whole thing. Like he never liked me.

It makes me feel like I'm somehow that incapable of reading the person and the situation that I ended up in this position.

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Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 20:24

interested
I have stopped calling as soon as I realised what is happening and at that time I made the decision to end it. I only realised what they did is intentional after her call got disconnected and I called back, call was refused.

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Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 20:34

In relation to the text messages and only continue with conversation once they reply to you, you're right but with respect I've been together with him for nearly a year. It's hardly first dating stage when I'm not sure if he's into me and there's no agreed plans. It was specific situation when he acted flaky and I had deserved an answer re our plans that day.

So that's why I'm feeling like I'm crazy. In my understanding we long passed "waiting for the reply no commitment" stage

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SandyY2K · 18/01/2020 20:35

Honestly? You really are quite intense. You seem to react and go with your heart, which others may perceive as OTT...

It's not what you want to hear, but maybe he was scared of your reaction if he tried to break it off.

I also don't think he's ready for a relationship at the moment.
he should have told you plans changed...but you texted and called way too much that night

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 20:47

Sandy
Yes I have called and texted way to much that night, only because he didn't give me a straight answer re plans.

So I should have just left it for the night and then hear an excuse the next day? Because that's what it would be,an excuse.

If any other day I'd call(once!) or text and he didn't reply he'd say later sorry, crashed on sofa..

How can I break up over this, it would be just unreasonable.

He clearly wasn't breaking up with me and he didn't. He was just waiting for me to get so upset so I'd just break up with him myself.
How fucked up this is?

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amiapropermum · 18/01/2020 21:55

He's rewriting what happened to suit his own narrative now. He didn't ever come out and say, "I fucked up and treated you really badly. I don't think this is going to work and I'm sorry." Instead you had to drag half answers out of him, which tells you all you need to know. I understand your frustration at being ignored. It's an answer in itself - it's a lesson I need to learn, too. Now he wants to keep his own self image of himself as a good guy so he's saying he acted like that because of you. Nothing was preventing him saying at any stage that it wasn't working and he wishes you well. Sounds like he went around to EXW's house and they all got drunk and he came out with some 'poor me' story and things escalated from there.

Apileofballyhoo · 18/01/2020 22:08

I'd prefer to be with someone who is honest. He sounds like a people pleaser. I'd let it go. You'll never know where you are with him.

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 22:23

amiapropermum
Thank you!
You seem to understand what I mean.

As I said in original post, me and him were on and off. Not to go into detail, around October time I broke it off, to me, through exact same issue. At one point we were confirming plans for the weekend and I could see he was online but wasn't replying. I said at that time it's disrespectful, ignoring my question, could just say no or reschedule, but ignoring my question when I'm waiting for response is disrespectful. He again said he's with people and reply later to which I said I don't want to be disrespected as that's how I feel when you ignoring my questions . We went for about 2 weeks with no contact and were back at seeing each other again.

So he clearly knows what pushes my buttons.
So if he didn't want to be together with me, it was very easy to stay away. At that point I actually felt stronger and didn't care much if we're together or not.

He chose to have me back in his life, chose to lure me back in to just now say I was too pushy/ he's scared to break up with me as he's scared of my reaction!

I just thought as a normal person, he would have just learn the lesson from previous experience and try to act better,as he's choosing to be with me if he's going back.

Now he wants to rewrite history to portrait himself as a good guy.

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Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 22:34

apileo
Think you've hit the nail on the head.

peoplepleaser

suddenly it is all clear.
Thank you!

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Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 22:43

If, on occasion, I clearly voiced my desire or wish for anything specific, would it be particular dish, sex act or an idea for a date he'd always do exactly what I suggested then would ask :is that what you wanted? Are you happy?

I thought it shows he cares as he's listening to my wants. Looks like he's just pleasing, everyone.

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FabbyChix · 18/01/2020 22:49

I think he is scared of you. You’re pretty full on and way too much. Do you have bpd?

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 22:59

Fabby

I don't have BPD, I don't have mood swings, I don't have any mental health issues.

My life is very well together, I'm managing extremely well considering I've no family in this country and it's just me and my kids, no support.

I'm well educated, have a good career on track, literally a lot of people see me as an example of how to be a strong successful woman.

My behaviour is triggered by one thing only, and it's being treated like shit.

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Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 23:01

If a low tolerance to disrespect and bad treatment is a mental health issue, I might have it though.

If it was a treatable issue, I'd love to get read of it.

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Jonb6 · 18/01/2020 23:02

You are doing the right thing by ending this relationship. If you carried on it would only get worse and you would end up with severely damaged self esteem.

Apileofballyhoo · 18/01/2020 23:12

OP I'd imagine if somebody just tells you what's going on, what they want to do, what their plans are etc, you're fine with that. If you're not fine with not getting your own way, that's a different story. But I can't see anything in what you've said to indicate that.

It's possible this man is scared of his ex, and has projected that fear onto you. DH is afraid of his mother and projects that onto me sometimes. And I'm honestly the least threatening person you've (n)ever met in your life. But he still worries I'm going to go nuts about minor things as that's what his DM did when he was growing up (and is still capable of doing).

Maybe it's not his ex, just general low self-esteem of some sort. My DM doesn't know how to say she can't or doesn't want to do something and has form for letting people down at the last minute as a result as she'll go along with plans and not just say. Also a people pleaser. It drives her partner mad but he's kind of getting used to her now.

Either way, this guy has baggage and you don't need it or him.

I hope you meet somebody, you sound great.

FabbyChix · 18/01/2020 23:28

Bpd isn’t mood swings. When a man has kids they come before you. He clearly was too scared to say he had changed plans. You rang four or five times even though you knew he was with his kids that’s not normal. He says you have a temper. You aren’t together at all.

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 23:52

I always stick to the plans I've made. I literally need to be so unwell or something extraordinary needs to happen for me to change the plans, even then I'd apologise profusely for letting person down.

I'd never double book, no 2nd suggested plan can be better than the one already made,as not honoring commitment, however small, is disrespectful to the other person.

I guess its hard to people pleaser to live up to the standard.

Even then, proper explanation and apology would suffice to calm the situation and be just a small passing disappointment, we could have moved on quickly from this. Instead it escalated into huge drama, because I am not a people pleaser and was standing my ground.

I was accused of being forceful when I wanted an apology for shit treatment and wanting to know why he did what he did.

It's good to get out of this, while I'm still not doubting I deserve better.

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MissPepper8 · 18/01/2020 23:56

I don't agree with people starting to label op. This is not the thread for that, she's clearly just really pissed off after a year of what she thought was a solid relationship has been fucked about. I mean how many of you could say you wouldn't get pissed off if his ex wife picked up and told you to stop ringing?

Op I'm not sure you will probably want to hear this but looks like you were his rebound, ex wife was finding love so he wanted to (whilst still being in love with his ex and trying to win her over by bending over backwards). I think he had feelings for you, but obviously not enough to respect you.

I can understand he has young kids and spending time with them is his priority, it just seems a bit weird you've been together for a year and he's never let you meet them or be more involved? Just a bit weird to me he's not put his big boy pants on to tell you he couldn't come see you and let his ex wife do the dirty for him. I don't believe she just picked up.

Wouldn't waste my energy to be honest, stop texting him and move on.

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 23:57

fabby
He lives 5 minutes drive away from his kids, he had them night before and he would have them Saturday afternoon, after I'd left.

Hardly deprived of contact.

He was with the kids since afternoon, issue escalated around 8 pm that night.

I'm not an evil woman standing between him and his children.

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Teensandfuture · 19/01/2020 00:25

MissPepper

They broke up years ago, he had another relationship since then. They moved in quickly, as far as I know, and had all kids involved.

He then moved out, moved a bit far away.

He was always saying he rushed into that relationship and doesn't want to make same mistake again.

Hence didn't want me to meet kids when I've raised it.

I've literally raised it once and later on think, subconsciously didn't push the issue. Oh the irony of me being pushy!

He moved back to near his ex just before we met, literally couple of weeks before. Later on in the year he started saying he's struggling with being so close to them now, but, to me, I understood he's struggling another man is taking his place in raising his children and not that he wanted ex back. He was actually making an eeeew noise in reference to me asking exactly that:does he miss his ex wife?

But knowing him now, he could just say shit behind her back, as he's done about me to her.

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Teensandfuture · 19/01/2020 00:37

Anyway fabby you're full of bs.
At first I thought you mean bpd is bipolar disorder, I've googled it up and you actually mean borderline personality disorder.

Main characteristic of that is fear of abandonment. Do I look like I'm scared to be abandoned??

I've had lasting relationships before, and I wasn't being labelled scary and pushy.

And yes, we aren't together NOW but we were at the time.

Kindly stop labeling people as being mentally ill, based on what you think is normal or not normal when a man has kids around him.

I had my small children around me all the time and I still managed to interact and communicate with others properly.

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rvby · 19/01/2020 02:21

I would think you nuts, if I were him. It's a one year on off relationship and you weren't part of his family life. No way in hell would it be appropriate to call repeatedly and get that upset etc, while I was with my kids - regardless of plans made and how they had changed. To me it would be a sign that you believed you meant much more to me than you actually did, and that you didn't know how to take a hint.

But then, I get that many people have radically different ideas of appropriate behavior.

In the final analysis you were clearly incompatible. Breaking up was best for all.

Peoplearemiserable · 19/01/2020 02:59

Relationships really shouldn’t be this dramatic. Your replies are intense so I can see why he was avoiding the explanations (I’m not saying he was right to). Draw a line under it, move on.