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Was I right to end things over this?

107 replies

Teensandfuture · 22/12/2019 23:14

Hi, looking for some perspective please.
I've just ended a relationship with someone I was seeing for nearly a year.
On and off relationship, but this time round it did feel like it was going somewhere.
Bit of background :both 40, I have 2 nearly grown up children, they are independent and not involved in the sense that he never stayed at ours, I always stay at his. He's divorced with 2 primary age kids. His ex wife is now engaged and fiance lives at hers. My bf is actually renting a house from the fiancé of his ex wife (I know, weird but bf claims it all works for them). I have never met the children or ex wife or fiance. Firstly when I wanted to, it was too soon and he refused saying just that, later on I didn't really bother and probably avoided it myself. His children are his first priority and rightly so, same as mine to me. We managed to fit in our time together fine.
Although he try so hard to act cool around exwife and fiance, I know his confidence knocked out as fiance is more financially successful and he feels he's losing in comparison and can't match up financially and give kids as much as fiance does.
Couple of examples of bf not managing : they all(bf, kids, exwife and fiancé) were invited by old friend to christening and although bf was enthusiastic going, made up an excuse and didn't go. I was supportive of him going, He lied to me, saying he did go, but actually stayed home in bed.
2nd example : he planned a special birthday shopping trip with his dc and gave it absolutely all he could afford to his dc to make them happy,trying really hard to have a special one to one day. on the way back on the train exwife, fiance and friends apparently were travelling home, dc run to them showing presents and they invited bf for a drink after they all come off the train. All seems civil and nice. Bf is complaining they ruined his special day with dc but of course he never showed it to them, only moaning to me.
Now the drama that happened between us.
I haven't seen him since Monday morning and was going to come back on Monday night after work (he was unwell I was looking after him), he in last minute said he's knackered can we do something Friday instead. I reluctantly agreed. Meanwhile he got delivery of my Christmas present to him and said he's not opening it without me, waiting for me on Friday. Importantly to mention we didn't plan to spend Christmas together, but planned to spend new years eve together. He was going to his parents this Sunday, which is today, I was meant to be home with my kids and their father (we are friendly for big occasions - birthdays, celebrations) Bf was meant to have kids Saturday and going to his parents (live far away) straight after dropping kids off on Sunday. So Friday night was really our last chance at Christmas gift exchange and spending quality time together. I was busy all day, we spoke and texted throughout the day on the phone and no plans were changed , we were to spend evening together. He usually picks me up when I say so/when ready. So when I finished all my commitments, I texted him saying I'm ready. He didnt reply. I called, he refused call texted he's having dinner with kids at their house(complete news to me) . I have asked what's the plan then. He said he'll be there for another hr or do and does it work for me. I have asked if exwife and finance out and that's why he's with the kids? He didn't reply. I found it strange, called again his phone was off. I was getting really pissed off by this point, I knew he's avoiding me, but why I wasn't quite sure. A bit of time passed, I messaged him fine, come get me when you finished as I'm home. He replied he had a drink and can't drive. I've called again asking what is he doing, where is he? Was he in the pub or what. He said he's at kids house and he'll be leaving in 20 minutes. I hear male voice in background, assuming it's fiance. About 20 minutes pass, I'm calling bf again, he picks up, connection is really bad, barely hear him, call back twice, same thing. I'm assuming he left already and get to the zone of better connection. I'm dialing 4th or 5th time, admittedly already pissed off, female on the other line, through a bad connection picks up asking am I calling for (bfs name) I say yes. She says he's spending time with his children. I'm asking if he's drunk or what?thinking why somebody else would pick up? She says she feels offended as if he needs to be drunk to spend time with his children? I said I'm sorry it all came out wrong, what I mean is he's acting weird. She says again he's with children and female to female she wants to tell me that if I'm calling 3/4 times I should get the hint that he doesn't want to speak to me if he doesn't pick up. I said I'm calling because we have plans tonight. She repeats you have plans tonight? I hear male voice in background (assuming fiance) saying it's not that he doesn't want to speak to me, he's just busy with the children. Female hangs up the phone. I feel it's all out of control and I guess trying to apologise, call back again, my call is refused.
I feel absolutely mortified, disrespected and humiliated.
I text bf back saying why did he put me in this position when we had plans and I don't think there's come back from it as I feel massively disrespected by his ex wife and him letting that happen . I end the relationship by text basically and due to upset, telling him few not very nice things, reminded him of how well I treated him and how he repays me now.
I ended up having few drinks and said probably more than I should, amongst them that I don't want to see or speak to him but I want all my things back tomorrow, before he goes to his parents, and I want my present back as I want to return it and get money back, as he doesn't deserve a present from me.
All my messages undelivered until next day. Next day he read it all, not replied. I have called back left voice message saying I want all my stuff today, getting even more annoyed. He replied saying he'll bring my things in the afternoon,which he did. When I seen him he was visibly upset. I have asked him if he's going to apologise to me at all. He said what can I say, nothing left to say, is there? To which I said all your fault, not mine. He didn't reply, just left.
No communication since then.

So that's the story. Is it my fault, have I acted like an idiot or I was right to end things? Should I have been more patient or there's really nothing to salvage here?

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knewyouwerewaiting · 23/12/2019 08:30

What a coward that he couldn’t tell you the truth and also that he let his ex wife answer your call on his phone.

Kayleigh12 · 23/12/2019 08:36

@Teensandfuture sounds familiar to me. I was massively in love with a guy who was blatantly still in love with his ex wife. He was always readily available when she asked. He was weak like this guy sounds. Shit hit the fan when he took her to his works Xmas do and not me!! And I, like you, wondered if I did the right thing by binning him! Trust me you’ve done the right thing. He should not have allowed ex wife to talk to you that way. Cheeky bint

Zombieseverywhere · 23/12/2019 10:48

Sorry but I disagree with most posters. I think you texted and phoned way way too much! I think you've over reacted tbh.

Katgurl · 23/12/2019 11:19

He did not break up with you over this no matter what way he tries to spin it. He was avoiding you and avoiding the breakup talk. He was being Absolutely Vile slagging you off to them and showing them your number flashing up again. He is a nasty, selfish spineless twat.

You had every right to find out what the plans were. She is I'm sure one of those women who always wonders why no females like her - because she panders to the boys.

I'm glad you are away from him. Bullet dodged! He is awful and you deserve so much better. Have a lovely Christmas with your DC and never speak to him again.

midep · 23/12/2019 11:22

I think he couldn't afford/didn't want to give you a Christmas present, so was avoiding seeing you. Lots of fathers use 'seeing their children' as an excuse for just about everything. It's the one thing you can't question.

He sounds like a waste of time, you did what needed doing.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 23/12/2019 11:33

You've had a lucky escape - what a twat he is! clearly still in thrall to his ex - she didn't know he had plans with you because he didn't tell her. Sounds like he painted you as a nuisance hence her taking your call to him. I'd have been livid and dumped him too.

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 15:39

I guess I'm still in denial as in I don't want to believe he was slagging me off to people, can't believe he was thinking so low of me. But all facts point to the fact that he did in fact initiated his ex wife picking up the phone.

She's a stupid cow too for doing it. I would have never interfered with someone else's phone calls as I don't know the caller and their reasoning for calling. Even my 16/18 year olds would not ever done that. And she's a teacher.. Just no words..

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Fizzysours · 23/12/2019 16:18

She loved the power trip I expect. Most of us learn to stay out of other peoples' rows by the time we are 13

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 17:30

opentooffers you are right about him jumping as high as asked.
We were planning holiday this spring and I obviously put a holiday request at work and asked him if he already put his in. He replied work wouldn't be a problem, it's ex wife he needs to agree with re kids.

Later on I follow it up with him and he said yes, agreed the dates. I now wonder what did he say to her.. Probably that he's working away, definitely he didn't have any balls to say he's going away with a gf..

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sugarplumtum · 23/12/2019 17:35

He is a gross little man

scoobydoo1971 · 23/12/2019 17:45

All your ex needs for Christmas is a spine...pat yourself on your back, at least you have one!

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 17:50

I mean there is no reason for him to hide me and be disrespectful about me, it's not like I'm somehow below their circle or anything. I'm a professional, independent, successful, got my shit together woman and my kids are both so successful for their age - real credit to me.
Oh well, his loss

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OceanSunFish · 23/12/2019 18:00

I'm a bit surprised at all the replies. What he did doesn't sound that bad to me? I mean, yes, he should have told you that plans had changed and he'd be having dinner with his kids before meeting you. Inconsiderate, but hardly the crime of the century?

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 18:07

ocean he was disrespectful of our plans, he didn't give me either straight answer to my questions or an apology for changing plans in the last minute. It's the timing of it ie I wouldn't see him around Christmas. He also was ignoring my calls when all he had to do is either call me himself or text properly.

Then he let his ex wife disrespect me.

I know I've lost my shit and called too many times but what he did as a response to my calls is beyond rude.

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OceanSunFish · 23/12/2019 18:13

Ok, that's fine. Obviously it's up to you if you want to end it. It's just that you posted on here looking for opinions so I'm giving you mine.

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 18:19

ocean you suspiciously sound like my ex. I can actually envisage him saying in a highpinched confused manner "what have I done?? I haven't done anything!!!"

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MarianaMoatedGrange · 23/12/2019 18:20

That whole scene was appalling OP. He had no need to ignore your calls. As you said, a quick text would be better than being ignored. The last minute change of plans because he was fawning over his ex was just ridiculous and totally disrespectful.

OceanSunFish · 23/12/2019 18:23

I guarantee I'm not your ex Smile

Babyg1995 · 23/12/2019 18:31

You have done the right thing but I would have told him who whare to go after the first call you called way too much then asking him if he was going to apologise don't show him your so bothered block and move on .

snoopy18 · 23/12/2019 18:37

Totally right to end it he doesn’t sound as if he’s over his ex

Teensandfuture · 23/12/2019 19:01

I know I'm one of those people that when they get ignored, it buggs them and irritates them more . I've lost it by calling over and over again, I wish I had it in me to just stop and accept no answer as an answer by itself.
Guess that's what I need to learn going forward.

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MsDogLady · 23/12/2019 19:08

OP, you were absolutely right to end things.

He is prioritizing his ex and has not been truly emotionally available to you. He treated you with such contempt and disregard, and allowed his smug ex to humiliate you. Leave them to their toxic codependence. You deserve so much better than this.

Miniloso · 24/12/2019 06:54

OP, I have learned a lot over the years - But I still would have done the same as you regarding the calls. His behaviour was despicable. Try not to beat yourself up about it. You were triggered by his horrible actions. You are only human - he sounds less than.

Hope you have a lovely Xmas. 🎄💕

Teensandfuture · 18/01/2020 18:57

Hi, all
Have a little update on this.
Basically we messaged since day before yesterday, after no contact.
I've said I might have treated him badly by taking presents back and I've never done that before. I said it's up to him to have his own moral compass and up to him how he treated me, I've no control over that.
He hasn't replied.
Yesterday evening I've just sent a follow-up snappy message saying his moral compass is shining through, no apologies, nothing.
He replied that he knows he treated me badly.
I've said that's not an apology.
He replied he apologises.

Think late last night I've asked why did he do it though? Why did he treat me that way, was it because he didn't want a relationship with me? Why? Because I wanted answers.

Today he said, exact words

"I think I treated you so badly as I was trying to push you away, I think I should have been much stronger, also if anything in future dont push so hard that was something I rebelled against, again apologies I hope you do find happiness"

To which I reply well, he wasn't really pushing me away because if he didn't want me around why did he have me around,for nearly a year.

His actual reply was:
"I honestly dont know the answer to that, I was a little scared of your reactions and the intensity of you temper if I'm totaly honest"
I've also asked if he had asked his ex wife to pick up that call, he said no, it just happened.

I said then it is what it is, she's a controlling bitch just like I thought.

He was righting and stopping, starting again for a while, then said its not as cut and dry as it sounds, then said he's signing off until Sunday night as with people at engagement party, and can continue conversation then if I want to.

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Aussiebean · 18/01/2020 19:50

Why would you want to?