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Christmas and dealing with a martyr

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:09

Every year we go to my parents for Christmas and I dread it. I know the simple answer would be to plan christmas here but it is not as simple as that as it would be a huge offence to my mum and dad to change it. I already suggested it and it was closed down immediately. For one reason or another we stay too long - I would dearly love to cut this down and may be the only solution even though I know this too would hugely hurt her feelings.

The main issue is my mum is a martyr and this makes the situation not straightforward. She will take it upon herself do everything and without cutting corners and, unsurprisingly, then hates us for it because she is so exhausted.

In normal situations for normal families, the solution would be simple, do more so she is not doing everything. But she literally cannot and will not let anyone step in. We fight to help and we will continue to do so, but it is so wearing. We literally have to trick her and sprint to the kitchen to even do washing up.

Suggestions to cook are not allowed (its her kitchen), suggestions for takeaway or booking a restaurant for christmas eve are not allowed (I have food already in), to bring food (we already have too much in), etc etc. Inevitably she gets exhausted so when we do finally sit down for dinner, something insignificant can trigger her storming off from the table.

Before anyone says, stop asking and do it anyway, this doesn't work either. She hates not doing anything. She literally finds it impossible to sit still so even if there was nothing to do, she would still do something. I don't think I've ever seen her sit down or relax, not even for a moment.

Also she doesn't really like receiving presents either so the solution isn't gifts to show we appreciate her effort. Obviously we ignore that fact but still she actively dislikes every present I give her. I spend a lot of effort trying to get her the perfect present and pay attention to what she actually says she needs/wants during the year. But every single time she will still open the present and without getting it out the box will tell me how much she doesnt like it. She will then ask me to take it back and when I say I can't she will still then later pass it back to me. It is the same from presents from anyone.

To keep this post short, I won't go into everything as it's not just christmas. It is also not just towards me, but towards others too, friends and family. My dad, a very capable and intelligent man, can't even make himself a cup of tea, which from the outside looks like he is lazy but sometimes I think he has just given up fighting it. My dad once paid for a gardener but it instead made the situation worse because she endlessly criticised what the gardener did and ended up competitively doing extra work in the garden.

Sometimes I feel like she changes reality and it takes me a long to recover my identity and feel confident in my own choices after spending time with her. My head always feels a bit of a mess afterwards.

Does anyone have a mum like this?

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mbosnz · 16/12/2019 13:16

I did. She mellowed with age, thank God. At one point I was reading a book on body disposal while watching her in action.

HollowTalk · 16/12/2019 13:16

I know a few people like this and I'm afraid I have no idea what the answer is. My friend's ex-wife is a bugger for this - when she was working with me she used to volunteer to do things that she had no experience of and when it wasn't her role - for instance we were teachers and she taught one subject (non-Maths-related) but would volunteer to make up Maths help sheets, when she'd never taught Maths and in fact hadn't even got a GCSE in it. If she ever got her way in that sort of battle then she'd do a crap job of it, complain constantly and be completely exhausted. I know her family are completely exasperated with her.

PurpleDaisies · 16/12/2019 13:18

Have you ever thought that you’re doing exactly the same thing and being a martyr by going every year?

blackcat86 · 16/12/2019 13:19

MIL is like this and it's really messed up DHs views of relationships and communication. MIL tends to like the idea of hosting big family get togethers which inevitably end in tears. We usually go to PIL boxing day (we have done xmas there in the past but it just works better for visiting family that way) and last year was so bad with DHs extended family that I said I couldn't do it again so now its only me, DH, toddler DD and teen DSS but MIL has bought so much food that she is now storing it in my chest freezer. It'll be wrong that she had to store it at mine but would equally be wrong if we said she couldn't (I literally cant buy extra bread or milk because there just isnt space). This was only meant to be storing 'a couple of bits'. The problem is that it makes me just ignore her complaints because no input from me will actually help her and it's never good enough. DH then replicates it - so for example I have done every morning for poorly DD and DH has been up for 8:30/9ish which I haven't commented on. He then moaned that it wasnt a proper lay in unless was until 10am which he then did the following day. It's like they are never satisfied and its never good enough so they have to find a way to make everyone miserable no matter what is done to appease them. I actually find it quite narcissistic and wonder if it is part of your DMs 'narcasstic supply'. Could you book a holiday for next year to break the routine?

PurpleDaisies · 16/12/2019 13:19

Who is “we” in “we go to my parents”?

BarbaraStrozzi · 16/12/2019 13:25

My mum was like this for decades before eventually she got so frail I was able to step up and do most of it. It's exhausting OP, and the feeling that the whole day is just a countdown to the inevitable explosion due to entirely self inflicted exhaustion. (My mum could be lovely a lot of the time, but Christmas was always terrible). Flowers

You talk about "we" - is this you and siblings, or you and DP? If the latter, could you not use the "got to go to DP's family this year" excuse?

HollowTalk · 16/12/2019 13:26

Yes - the inevitable explosion. That's exactly right.

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:29

All these replies are helpful.

PurpleDaisies - interesting you say that - yes I have thought that. My brother lives abroad and doesnt come home for christmas. He is certainly not worrying about upsetting their feelings!

However, the problem is just transferred to my own home. When she stays with us here she brings food with her (even when I say theres no room in the fridge) and takes over my own kitchen. It gets a bit ridiculous sometimes...

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:32

We - my husband and two kids. The kids love it there.

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Drum2018 · 16/12/2019 13:32

Why dont you just stay in your own house and not invite them? She's not likely to change so you need to change how you deal with her. And be honest in telling her why you're not going - that she won't let anyone help, she's always cranky by the afternoon and she's ungrateful for the gifts you get. As well as staying in your own house for Christmas, you should just donate to a charity instead of giving her a gift this year.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/12/2019 13:33

I would read and or post on the "Well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages.

You're damned if you do go there and you're otherwise damned if you do not so I would not go there anyway and put yourself through all this mental gymnastics your mother and her willing enabler i.e. your dad here perform on and against you. She has set you up to fail some invisible test and such people never play by the "normal" rules of familial interactions.

Where are your boundaries here with regards to your parents?. Are you mired in FOG - fear, obligation and guilt re them, it certainly seems so.

Would you have tolerated this from a friend, no you would not likely have done.

What would happen if you did not go; the sky would not fall in would it. Ok so she and he would moan and you may get her narcissistic type rage with his help but if you are not there she does not get her audience. Women like your mother cannot do relationships so need a willing enabler to help them, that is your dad here and he has abjectly failed you also.

Regardless of why your mother is like this (and in all likelihood she has some form of untreated and untreatable personality disorder) it is not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way. What if anything do you know about her own family's background, as that can often gives clues. Have a read too of the Out of the Fog website.

PurpleDaisies · 16/12/2019 13:33

You’ve never had a family Christmas at home? Doesn’t your dh have any family?

FraglesRock · 16/12/2019 13:34

What happens if you ask to help once, clearly. Presumable it'll be refused and then just sit and play with the kids. Knowing you asked and are doing what she wants. If she wants to be a martyr she can.

OneDay10 · 16/12/2019 13:36

She sounds like a horrible, controlling person. And one that loves attention as well. My dm is like this, in fact I can never remember a christmas where she actually spent Christmas with us. It was waking at the crack of dawn, spending the entire day in the kitchen and cleaning to put on this elaborate spread and then spent the rest of the day exhausted and complaining to everyone how tired she is doing all this by herself. It's been 10years of stress free xmas as I havent spent it with her since I decided not to put up with this.
Perhaps your brother realised that she has some toxic tendencies and chooses to be happy rather than be controlled.

ShippingNews · 16/12/2019 13:36

Oh yes. You could be talking about my mother, OP. Everything exactly the same, including the inevitable "blow up" after toiling all morning in the kitchen. Many times I ended up in the garden , shaking and crying after losing my cool and speaking sharply to her. It only ended when she got dementia and went into a home. I can't give you any advice - but sending a hand hold.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/12/2019 13:39

There is reason why your brother moved abroad and does not come home for Christmas. Ultimately you need to do similarly i.e. lower contact to a point of zero and not worry at all about their feelings. They certainly do not worry about yours.

Your kids may love it there but why is that really?. Is it because they get given a huge mound of toys?. Is there any real familial interactions?. Probably not, your children are in the background. Disordered of thinking people use the kids hearts and minds to get back at you and it does them no favours at all to see you as their parents being so disrespected. You seeing your parents too is like watching a re-run of a tv show you've always hated.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/12/2019 13:40

Since you have children it's really quite straightforward - simply tell her it upsets everyone to watch her tiring herself out, so you'll visit for tea instead. That way the DCs get to enjoy time in their own home while still seeing the grandparents and it cuts down the opportunities for martyrdom too

Having DCs of your own is the ideal time to start new traditions and this is your chance. No doubt she'll whine, but at least it's only her who'll be upset instead of everyone, and it's not as if you wouldn't be seeing her at all

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:43

blackcat86 - interesting about the food. We often have similar situations where the sheer volume of food or things she brings is a practical storage problem in itself.

For example, she loves to buy the kids clothes, which is very kind and I feel totally ungrateful for complaining about. But the sheer volume is crazy. This summer, I counted my sons owned thirty pairs of shorts between them. They have school uniform so they don't even get much wear from the clothes she buys. I ask her to stop because they don't need anything but she gets very upset and still continues to buy.

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brassbrass · 16/12/2019 13:43

I don't get these posts. It's a massive problem for you yet you're unwilling to do anything drastic enough to stop her in her tracks. Tell her she ruins Christmas with the whole martyr act and that she Must compromise on some things.

If she won't just do your own thing and let her strop.

Why do you pander to it? She clearly doesn't give a shit about your enjoyment of Christmas. I don't get people who insist on hosting but lose sight of whether anyone's having a good time or not. Her issues and baggage are hers to deal with. You're effectively being just as much of a martyr by putting up with it and complaining on here. Do something that will get you a different result.

userxx · 16/12/2019 13:46

Christ she sounds like hard work. Maybe plant the seed for next year that you will be at home for Christmas.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 16/12/2019 13:57

OP, her happiness is not your responsibility.

Be brave. Act in a way that will protect you, even if you're scared of her reaction.

blackcat86 · 16/12/2019 14:00

Yes its always excessive. We have a big freezer so fair enough I'll happily store a few bits but she came with a sports direct sized bag! It should be considered kindness but I can already feel my own anxiety heightening about the day. They'll be too much fussing, too much expectation, she'll get blind drunk and then boom. I think she just thinks that's normal and isnt really motivated to change anything

GingleJangleScarecrow · 16/12/2019 14:07

@brassbrass has summed it up perfectly.

What would happen if you said that you were staying at home this year? Would they come round and physically drag all 4 of you to theirs?

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 14:07

I'm trying to keep up the posts... they're coming thick and fast

brassbrass - I get what you are saying. I am enabling. I don't think I realised for many years but I clearly see it too. The challenge now is how to make the situation better without just transferring the problem to our house and possibly making things worse because I have upset kids and parents to deal with.

It's also not an option to not see them, for those who suggested no contact as an option. Believe it or not, I do love my mum and we have lots of happy times thoroughout the year. Christmas does seem to be worse and I'd like a solution for that.

It is also not as simple as talking to her about it. We do openly talk about it now because it is clear that its not a one-off. It is like she has no idea what we are talking about or she seems to take it onbroad and then it is completely ignore it later. I have tried different things - sometimes if she storms off, I don't go after her and I don't apologise if I don't think I have done anything wrong even if it feels unnatural. It is just so, so tiring.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/12/2019 14:09

She will not change

Where are your boundaries at here with regards to your parents?.

You can only change how you react to them. Taking all
this excess stuff she buys your kids to charity shops would be a start if you do not already do this.

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