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Christmas and dealing with a martyr

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:09

Every year we go to my parents for Christmas and I dread it. I know the simple answer would be to plan christmas here but it is not as simple as that as it would be a huge offence to my mum and dad to change it. I already suggested it and it was closed down immediately. For one reason or another we stay too long - I would dearly love to cut this down and may be the only solution even though I know this too would hugely hurt her feelings.

The main issue is my mum is a martyr and this makes the situation not straightforward. She will take it upon herself do everything and without cutting corners and, unsurprisingly, then hates us for it because she is so exhausted.

In normal situations for normal families, the solution would be simple, do more so she is not doing everything. But she literally cannot and will not let anyone step in. We fight to help and we will continue to do so, but it is so wearing. We literally have to trick her and sprint to the kitchen to even do washing up.

Suggestions to cook are not allowed (its her kitchen), suggestions for takeaway or booking a restaurant for christmas eve are not allowed (I have food already in), to bring food (we already have too much in), etc etc. Inevitably she gets exhausted so when we do finally sit down for dinner, something insignificant can trigger her storming off from the table.

Before anyone says, stop asking and do it anyway, this doesn't work either. She hates not doing anything. She literally finds it impossible to sit still so even if there was nothing to do, she would still do something. I don't think I've ever seen her sit down or relax, not even for a moment.

Also she doesn't really like receiving presents either so the solution isn't gifts to show we appreciate her effort. Obviously we ignore that fact but still she actively dislikes every present I give her. I spend a lot of effort trying to get her the perfect present and pay attention to what she actually says she needs/wants during the year. But every single time she will still open the present and without getting it out the box will tell me how much she doesnt like it. She will then ask me to take it back and when I say I can't she will still then later pass it back to me. It is the same from presents from anyone.

To keep this post short, I won't go into everything as it's not just christmas. It is also not just towards me, but towards others too, friends and family. My dad, a very capable and intelligent man, can't even make himself a cup of tea, which from the outside looks like he is lazy but sometimes I think he has just given up fighting it. My dad once paid for a gardener but it instead made the situation worse because she endlessly criticised what the gardener did and ended up competitively doing extra work in the garden.

Sometimes I feel like she changes reality and it takes me a long to recover my identity and feel confident in my own choices after spending time with her. My head always feels a bit of a mess afterwards.

Does anyone have a mum like this?

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Span1elsRock · 16/12/2019 14:10

You're being an equal martyr by going and enduring it, you do realise?

Don't put yourself through it. It's not enjoyable for anyone, so why do it?

You have your own family and can make your own rules - and one of them should be that Christmas Day is enjoyable.

"Sorry Mum, we realise that Christmas is just too much for you and we hate the atmosphere so this year we are staying home. Shall we do something Christmas Eve or Boxing Day instead this time?"

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/12/2019 14:12

You can love your mother but she is not built that way and it is not your fault she is like this. You do not have to absolutely like or even go along with what she is doing here both to you and in turn your kids.

I would think your mother and you have "happy times" only when you are really completely subservient to her and fully acting out the roles she assigned to you from early childhood onwards.

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 14:14

GingleJangleScarecrow

They would come to ours. Saying we want christmas alone is the same as saying we have fallen out, isn't it. Unfortunately we have no other family to say we have a full house.

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RainbowBelts · 16/12/2019 14:14

You're enabling her, don't go there for christmas!

GrandmaMazur · 16/12/2019 14:20

She sounds awful - very controlling and seems like she enjoys everyone walking on eggshells around her waiting for the inevitable explosion.

She's so rude about the presents. If you gave a present to a friend and they reacted the way she does would you keep buying them presents? Don't think I would.

What would happen if you said that you want a different Christmas this year and it's stressful for everyone else if she won't let you help and then ends up storming off in a tantrum? You could say in advance you can't deal with it any more and if it happens again this year then you won't be spending Christmas with her again.

Why are her feelings so much more important than yours?

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 14:24

AttilaTheMeerkat I now tell her to take anything back to the shop and don't feel guilty about the inconvenience of her having to take it back. But for years, I felt really ungrateful.

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KnitFastDieWarm · 16/12/2019 14:25

Why are you allowing her to make YOU into a martyr in turn?

DidILeaveTheGasOn · 16/12/2019 14:31

Saying you want Christmas alone is not the same as falling out.

Attila has said many kind and astute things.

You can't fix this op. You aren't hearing the replies you are getting. Please listen. You can't fix this. Either you change it, so you don't go there and they don't come to yours, you stand up and take charge of your life, or you post something like this again next year.

Please hear what people are saying. You can't fix this. It's not your fault.

Once more: you can't fix this. It's not your fault.

Tighnabruaich · 16/12/2019 14:31

Looks like there are two martyrs in the family.

And do your children enjoy these Christmasses with their grandmother acting up like this and causing stress all round?

Chunkers · 16/12/2019 14:33

Saying we want christmas alone is the same as saying we have fallen out, isn't it

No, it really isn’t. Saying you want Christmas alone, but offering a Boxing Day meet up would show you still want contact. She is still going to huff about it, but ride the storm.

GingleJangleScarecrow · 16/12/2019 14:36

They would come to ours.

Well then you just answer the door and tell them that they weren't invited.

Okay, I know that sounds absurd...... but you are telling me that if you told them you were having Christmas in your own home, just the four of you, that they would actually turn up at the door?

PizzaExpressWoking · 16/12/2019 14:38

I know a woman who does exactly this. Her marriage has the same dynamic as well.

Frankly, she needs professional help (but refuses to get it). She has a massive psychological problem and it's not her family's job to fix it; they just can't, though they have tried. She spoils their Christmas and many other things as well.

RubyRedBerry · 16/12/2019 14:46

Serious question, how is she a teacher if she hasn't got GCSE maths? i need to do mine before i do my pgce and hate maths.....

jay55 · 16/12/2019 14:53

She gets upset every year when you go, and would be upset if you don't go.
So she'll be upset either way so do what makes you happiest.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/12/2019 14:55

Saying you want Christmas alone is not the same as falling out.

Indeed it is not "falling out" to state that you want Christmas on your own. But your mother has convinced you otherwise due to her martyr complex stemming out and from her own narcissism.

Dacquoise · 16/12/2019 14:57

Saying we want christmas alone is the same as saying we have fallen out, isn't it

Saying you want Christmas alone is actually setting a boundary and letting her have the consequences of her behaviour. I think the issue here is that you aren't used to saying no to the whirlwind that is your mother and she is used to spilling her dysfunction all over you and your family and you feel you have to put up with it? It's become the 'norm'.

When I started to say no to the toxic people I had collected throughout my life, it felt really uncomfortable, cringingly so, the first couple of times but then slowly I was able to bear with the feelings of discomfort and distress that rose up inside me and not back down. Gradually with practice I became comfortable with it, even enjoying not being someone else's tool.

I am not saying it will be like that with your mother, you may have a complete tantrum on your hands the first time but you can stand your ground if you really want to. Perhaps some assertiveness training in your New Year's resolutions? Work you way up to a martyr free Christmas next year if you can't do it this year.

LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 15:00

GingleJangleScarecrow no, they wouldn't turn up. They're not that brazen and overbearing! But its quite a statement to make - sorry we have space but we don't want you here.

In her eyes, she is being kind and trying to make everything perfect - she really is trying to. Whereas she sees just one upset in the week - I'm walking on eggshells the entire time, waiting for when it will happen. And whereas she sees herself as being kind for doing everything for everyone - we find it tiring just trying to find ways to help and can't relax. Since she is always on the go, any sitting around feels like a guilty thing so its not exactly relaxing. For these reason, she would be completely taken by surprise if we suddenly said we didn't want to see her for christmas. Her view of whats going on doesn't match ours.

Tighnabruaich - yes the kids love the christmas and their grandparents. It all goes over their heads.

DidILeaveTheGasOn - I am hearing the replies and taking them in. I don't want to go no contact so it does make some of the options harder - or require the need to tread carefully. I'm not disregarding people's advice, just thinking through the consequences. All the points people are making here are useful.

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 15:04

AttilaTheMeerkat - interesting thanks. I've been saying martyr to describe the issue but without realising it is an actual thing. I will also google narcissism too.

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 15:07

Dacquoise - yes assertiveness training or a book at the very least. I do want to do something about the situation but I don't want to stoop to being nasty. Calm assertiveness without drama is what I want to aim for somehow. Or if there is a drama/tantrum to be absolutely clear in my own mind that I have done nothing wrong

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KevinsCarter · 16/12/2019 15:08

I have a martyr for a mother who would put Joan of Arc to shame. It's constant and worse at Christmas.
I can only imagine the fall out if OP tried to extract herself from it by refusing to go. Sometimes it is easier to go and put up with it.

DisgruntledGuineaPig · 16/12/2019 15:09

You have been conditioned to believe you have to put up with your mum behaving like this, so it does seem insane to not play your role in the annual family drama, but you can say no.

Call her today, say that you are all feeling run down and want to do a quiet Christmas just the 4 of you. Suggest you meet them boxing day /27th, ideally book somewhere out, so she cant transfer the stress onto another day.

It might seem impossible, but you need to remember, she will hate the day if you are there or not. If you are not there, then you and your dh have a nice relaxing time.

Go on, be brave, keep remembering she will be miserable no matter what.

NorthernSpirit · 16/12/2019 15:10

@AttilaTheMeerkat is right and given very wise advice.

My own mother is the same - controlling, things have to be done her way, she completely takes over and won’t have anyone help. Is then exhausted and complains. Her whole life revolves around being at service and the praise given.

A few years ago I realised I’d had miserable Christmas and I didn’t have to endure the behaviour or feed the fire. I haven’t spent a Christmas in 10 years with her and the relief is immense.

You are an adult and you can do as you wish. She won’t change. Only you can be responsible for how you feel.

Lllot5 · 16/12/2019 15:10

I feel a bit sorry for her actually.
I imagine it’s maddening but sounds like she wants everything to be perfect and feels she has to do it all herself. Her rejection of the presents you buy her seems to me to be because she doesn’t think she deserves them somehow.
As to any advice you need to join forces with your DH and df and be as forceful as she is.

ChristmasFluff · 16/12/2019 15:12

Dear OP,

My mother (narcissist) was also like this, and we found the solution by accident. We stopped even offering to help. We spent our time in the living room and left he rin the kitchen - we'd make the odd offer, but only once, and no more repsonse than 'ok, up to you' if she declined.

Then if she got a bit shirty with us, we'd take the piss. 'Do I detect the smell of burning martyr?' from Fawlty Towers was a favourite phrase. Or 'oooh, didn't want help, but didn't want people to not help'. Or 'pack your bags, she's sending us on a guilt trip!'

It didn't take many years for her to pack it in and let people help in small ways. But expect a backlash - narcs hate to be laughed at. We had strength in numbers - it was Xmas, so all the family and their children, spouses etc. were there - and all were on side. Even a narc knows when they are beaten numbers-wise.

Also read up on Fear, Obligation and Guilt (FOG) - it's how your mum is controlling people.

brassbrass · 16/12/2019 15:14

In her eyes, she is being kind and trying to make everything perfect - she really is trying to. Whereas she sees just one upset in the week - I'm walking on eggshells the entire time, waiting for when it will happen. And whereas she sees herself as being kind for doing everything for everyone - we find it tiring just trying to find ways to help and can't relax. Since she is always on the go, any sitting around feels like a guilty thing so its not exactly relaxing. For these reason, she would be completely taken by surprise if we suddenly said we didn't want to see her for christmas. Her view of whats going on doesn't match ours.

Why are you so terrified of approaching her about this in a normal conversation: Mum your intentions are kind but this is how we end up feeling every year and it ruins Christmas for us which I know is the last thing you want but we need to change how we do things for all our sakes.