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Christmas and dealing with a martyr

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LolaBaby75 · 16/12/2019 13:09

Every year we go to my parents for Christmas and I dread it. I know the simple answer would be to plan christmas here but it is not as simple as that as it would be a huge offence to my mum and dad to change it. I already suggested it and it was closed down immediately. For one reason or another we stay too long - I would dearly love to cut this down and may be the only solution even though I know this too would hugely hurt her feelings.

The main issue is my mum is a martyr and this makes the situation not straightforward. She will take it upon herself do everything and without cutting corners and, unsurprisingly, then hates us for it because she is so exhausted.

In normal situations for normal families, the solution would be simple, do more so she is not doing everything. But she literally cannot and will not let anyone step in. We fight to help and we will continue to do so, but it is so wearing. We literally have to trick her and sprint to the kitchen to even do washing up.

Suggestions to cook are not allowed (its her kitchen), suggestions for takeaway or booking a restaurant for christmas eve are not allowed (I have food already in), to bring food (we already have too much in), etc etc. Inevitably she gets exhausted so when we do finally sit down for dinner, something insignificant can trigger her storming off from the table.

Before anyone says, stop asking and do it anyway, this doesn't work either. She hates not doing anything. She literally finds it impossible to sit still so even if there was nothing to do, she would still do something. I don't think I've ever seen her sit down or relax, not even for a moment.

Also she doesn't really like receiving presents either so the solution isn't gifts to show we appreciate her effort. Obviously we ignore that fact but still she actively dislikes every present I give her. I spend a lot of effort trying to get her the perfect present and pay attention to what she actually says she needs/wants during the year. But every single time she will still open the present and without getting it out the box will tell me how much she doesnt like it. She will then ask me to take it back and when I say I can't she will still then later pass it back to me. It is the same from presents from anyone.

To keep this post short, I won't go into everything as it's not just christmas. It is also not just towards me, but towards others too, friends and family. My dad, a very capable and intelligent man, can't even make himself a cup of tea, which from the outside looks like he is lazy but sometimes I think he has just given up fighting it. My dad once paid for a gardener but it instead made the situation worse because she endlessly criticised what the gardener did and ended up competitively doing extra work in the garden.

Sometimes I feel like she changes reality and it takes me a long to recover my identity and feel confident in my own choices after spending time with her. My head always feels a bit of a mess afterwards.

Does anyone have a mum like this?

OP posts:
Besidesthepoint · 16/12/2019 15:14

I know the simple answer would be to plan christmas here but it is not as simple as that as it would be a huge offence to my mum and dad to change it.

So offend them. Why is it ok for her to ruin your christmas but you can't ruin hers? Why are you making her more important than you and your husband? Fuck that, just stay home and don't invite her.

brassbrass · 16/12/2019 15:17

but I don't want to stoop to being nasty.

I find it fascinating that you've been conditioned to feel that any notion of considering your/your family's needs is interpreted as cutting contact or being nasty.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 16/12/2019 15:18

I would have to take the approach along these lines:
"Hi Mum & Dad, We'd love to come for Christmas. We will arrive on X day and leave on Y day. Oh I know this probably wont suit you as in previous years but we have already made plans for after our stay with you . Also, I realise that this suggestion probably doesn't sit well with you either but as a thank you for having us, we will be going out for dinner on 28th Dec to X restaurant and it's already booked so I won't take no for an answer".

Why does your mum get to be the only person in this set up that won't take no for an answer? Time to adjust the relationship a bit from a child - adult (you - your mum) to an adult - adult one.
Stand up for yourself and your husband and your children. It's not setting a great example that your mother is being a martyr even if she wants to be.

gamerchick · 16/12/2019 15:19

I understand that this is tricky and the only think it looks like is available to you is to just not acknowledge her tantrums at all. Just carry on with the day as if she hasn't had one.

I have a mother ungrateful when it comes to gifts. I've given up trying to please her now and just get stuff I would use myself or say it's from the bairn and let him give her it.

Next year though I'd put the ground work in well in advance and you take your family unit out for Christmas dinner and go and visit her afterwards. Tell her you fancied a change but you'll still visit on the day. Let her strop.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 16/12/2019 15:19

Another vote for staying home and not inviting them.

Start your own traditions.

Your mother sounds exhausting. I cannot stand martyrs who refuse all offers of help then complain about having to do 'everything'. Just no.

S0upertrooper · 16/12/2019 15:26

OP your DM sounds very like my late MIL. For her, Christmas was a huge deal, she bought too many presents, ran around like a headless chicken, started talking about it in the summer and had the perfect happy family fantasy in her head. The reality was a strained atmosphere because she resented the fact we didn't appreciate the (over) effort she made, we just wanted simple and chilled. We caved one year joined them and the result was she didn't defrost the Turkey properly but still put it in the oven half frozen. She spent the afternoon in the kitchen in tears, refused to let us go for a Chinese carry out and served us Findus boil in the bag cod in parsley sauce with sprouts she'd been cooking since breakfast. It was a disaster and she created it but behaved like it was our (my) fault. I refused to visit over Christmas which of course caused more issues but I hate the over indulgence and fakery for 1 day and the unnecessary stress of it all. Your DM's insistence is spoiling it for you but it won't change if you don't change it.

PizzaExpressWoking · 16/12/2019 15:31

"Being a martyr" is really just "wanting to control everything and have a grudge against everybody."

Lllot5 · 16/12/2019 15:46

@S0upertrooper
Has it I think. The fantasy we are all peddled about a perfect family and the perfect family Christmas always leads to dramas because no one is perfect.
I think you said op that’s shes like it all year too? Just builds to a head at Christmas. Such a shame.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/12/2019 16:40

I do want to do something about the situation but I don't want to stoop to being nasty

Which is exactly why I suggested telling her you'll be there for tea instead of the whole day, explaining it (if you must) in terms of her "exhaustion" upsetting everyone else

There's really no need for a massive fall out unless she deliberately enginners one, but you really do need to decide what you want to do without quite so much pussyfooting around your mother

BarbaraStrozzi · 16/12/2019 16:50

It is so difficult when you've grown up with this set-up to break free (I think some of the posters saying "you're being a martyr too", "you just need to stand up to her" underestimate the way the parent-child power imbalance persists into adulthood when you have slightly off-kilter parenting; normal parents help you on the way to forming a respectful adult relationship with each other as you grow, oddball parents leave the parent-child dynamic frozen in place).

It can take a lot of work to break free of this. I remember ending up seeing a counsellor in my early thirties, who eventually said "look, you have to stand up to her - ultimately there's a chink of rationality in there which means that if you present it as a straight choice between 'respect my boundaries or lose me' she'll learn to respect your boundaries". But it took an external authority figure giving me "permission" to stand up for myself. And it didn't happen without pain and upset - the meltdown first time I stood up for myself was epic in scale, and bloody painful.

LolaBaby75 · 19/12/2019 10:54

Thanks everyone - all useful advice. I did some reading online, exploring some of the things people mentioned too, which has also been helpful. I hadn't made the connection with narc up until now because she didn't strike me as a classic one. Maybe she is a covert one - who knows? My family dynamics are all very odd.

So I couldn't change this year's plans as too short notice. I did suggest booking a restaurant for one of the days we were staying and she told me to stop ordering her about. Eventually she said that if it becomes too much, she may change her mind and we will go out (I know that she won't follow through with this). I also said maybe I could organise all the lunches - to which she said no she likes doing it (etc etc). There was one point in the conversation when she said 'but I like it that way' and I said 'yes but nobody else does - and its our christmas too' in a half-jokey way/non-aggressive way. Anyway, the upshot was that she ultimately shut down anything I said and it became clearer to me in my mind that it hasn't been my fault that we argue at Christmas because upto now I always felt that maybe I am to blame in some way.

Also my husband had a separate conversation with her saying that we are family, not royal guests so she can relax a bit with us etc etc. And that we will try to help her with everything and that she needs to let us.

I don't doubt nothing will change. However, I feel it is clear that we have tried our best and if it goes wrong again, it is not because of lack of trying.

Finally, whatever happens we have decided to have christmas at ours next year.

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WhatchaMaCalllit · 19/12/2019 13:26

Well, that's a step in the right direction @LolaBaby75. At least after this Christmas, depending on how it pans out, you can make it very clear to her throughout the year that there will either be another visit (if she decides to be a little less hands-on) or that you will not be visiting for Christmas 2020 (if she keeps up the martyr routine this Christmas).

One way or the other, do your very best to have a lovely Christmas for you!

WhatchaMaCalllit · 19/12/2019 13:27

Oops. Didn't see that last line where you're planning on having Christmas at yours next year.

Good idea!

BarbaraStrozzi · 19/12/2019 13:37

I think that's a really positive update Lola because your conversation has established beyond doubt that it's not you, it's her. This Christmas will still be stressful, but at least you don't have to spend it thinking "what could I have done differently" because you now know the answer is "nothing: the rest of us are all being set up to fail whatever we do.". Hopefully knowing that will help you detach from the situation rather than getting emotionally drawn in when the inevitable meltdown takes place.

And enjoy next Christmas.

Countryescape · 19/12/2019 15:29

She sounds very hard work. You have enabled it by dancing to her tune every single time! She may have mental health issues is my take on it because it isn’t normal behaviour. Don’t go next year, say you are going away as a family. What can she do? She’ll have to deal with it.

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