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The worst first date imaginable. Are men this shit?

92 replies

serenenqueen · 05/12/2019 22:45

Just had the worst first date ever.

My ex broke up with me about 6 weeks ago. Everything was quite good but he couldn't cope. We were long distance and he has mental health problems. Thing is, he was nasty during the breakup and accused me of being manipulative because I was upset about the time we spent together (ie not a lot) when I went down to see him.

I really thought this man was the one. I have never been so intellectually in tune with someone before, I really loved him, and I thought he loved me. I was his first partner in 6 years and he said we were magical and he had found someone worth putting everything last to.

When we broke up I just accepted it - I didn't try and fight for him or anything. I didn't get upset or beg or try to rationalise. I just said "I think there's a lot to fight for but I respect your decision"

We've had phone calls in the weeks before I stopped contacting him where we just spoke about stuff like we usually do (this sounds weird but we loved talking about philosophy and stuff like that, so we never ran out of fun things to talk about). It's the thing I miss the most about him, I've never been intellectually attracted to someone.

When we went on our first date it lasted 14 hours (!) And he drove me the 2 hour journey home. We didn't sleep together. He didn't talk about sex or what I looked like. Think the furthest he went was "you're so beautiful". It was just so lovely, and it still gives me goosebumps to think of it.

Back to first date tonight: immediately started pressuring me to stay at his, from the beginning. Then, after maybe 10 minutes walking down the round he kisses me on the mouth (unexpectedly). We ate and he tried to spend the whole time convincing me to go back to his. Then he kept saying "I'm a bad date aren't i" and "in not doing well". When I didn't kiss him he said "I know it was a bad date for you" and kept trying to convince me like "not even a peck?". Kept getting me to evaluate him during the date "do you think you'll see me again?" Like an hour in.

Just on the train home now, feeling shit. I know my ex has/had issues but the difference is outstandingly stark. The weird date guy has text me asking me to meet him again Sunday (not going to). And after 1 month no contact I've caved and text my ex "I really miss you"

Fuck my life. Gonna wake up tomorrow with no reply from the ex and having to let weird date guy down gently.

Dating is so shit.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/12/2019 18:35

Your points a and b are correct.

Block all and every means of him being able to contact you. He should not have been able to send you any sort of message.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/12/2019 18:41

Yeah I don't think I am "vulnerable" or an empath.

Do you know what empath means?. I suppose you think yourself as a a strong woman who does not take shit from anyone. Some abusive men do indeed like such "strong" women (abusive people can and do pick up on shaky self esteem, self worth and poor boundaries when it comes to relationships) because they see them as an additional challenge to take down.

The fact that you so surely state that you are not makes me think you are infact otherwise.

Mir91 · 08/12/2019 18:44

In general, when I started dating again, the guys really were brutal. You have to hold your ground though. Teaching a guy your boundaries either by saying it or physically showing him by turning your head or pushing him away is a good thing. He either wants someone easy, or he'll show you that he's willing to respect you. The number 1 no nó for me before I even met someone was if they asked me if I'd Snapchat. To me it shows that they're only looking for one thing.

serenenqueen · 08/12/2019 18:50

The pop psychology bullshit about empaths and narcissists is rife on this site. It's unbelievable when I am literally ranting about a bad date and people are proclaiming I am so vulnerable and a target for these people ... Jeez.

I am not an empath, as it's a flimsy pop psychological term to describe most normally nice people

OP posts:
75Renarde · 08/12/2019 19:25

OP

That was incredibly rude. I was trying to help.

If you dont agree then fine. Not exactly the way to win friends and influence people, is it?

You ARE vulnerable. Do you appreciate how dangerous OLD actually is?

You say you're not over your ex. As others have pointed out, maybe you shouldn't he dating.

I'll leave you in peace.

NewNameGuy · 08/12/2019 19:33

OP hopefully you can block both and take a bit of time out with your friends and family instead.

Illstartexercisingtomorrow · 08/12/2019 20:20

The pop psychology bullshit about empaths and narcissists is rife on this site. It's unbelievable when I am literally ranting about a bad date and people are proclaiming I am so vulnerable and a target for these people

Well look at that OP - you are most definitely not someone who is shaky or nervous or doesn’t know her own boundaries. Good for you. Your last post made me smile - I think I’d like you in real life.

Hope you feel better soon. Focus on career and friendships for now.

AutumnConker · 08/12/2019 21:38

OP was being rude I think. 75 was trying to help. Atilla makes good points too. Empath does not mean weak. It doesn’t always mean vulnerable either but it does sometimes mean being more clear about your boundaries and being more negatively affected by toxic people. Not sure why OP is taking umbrage and is being quite so rude to posters trying to help her, yet managed to take so much shit from a couple of idiots she believed she was so in tune with.

HermioneMakepeace · 08/12/2019 21:41

At least you're still putting yourself out there! Good for you. So this date didn't work out, they'll be others. Just stay safe. And congratulate yourself for having standards and not allowing yourself to be pushed into staying at his.

Slumberly · 08/12/2019 21:50

Not sure why OP is taking umbrage and is being quite so rude to posters trying to help her, yet managed to take so much shit from a couple of idiots she believed she was so in tune with.

She expressed herself very clearly (and correctly), I thought.

AutumnConker · 08/12/2019 22:05

I don’t really think OP an empath though necessarily. It was just an idea one or two had. It’s quite a compliment I think, but hey how. But I am sympathetic op there are some shits out there and if a person vulnerable or an empath that is something they can zone in on. But of course it’s not Toney scenario for meeting tossers.

AutumnConker · 08/12/2019 22:06

That’s your opinion fine.

AutumnConker · 08/12/2019 22:06

the only scenario

CantstandmLMs · 08/12/2019 22:22

I remember my first date after splitting from my ex and it was so hard not to compare everything to him and it was gutting. I went home and decided to not date for the rest of the year. Just focus on myself until I'm ready again. Worked for me.

Tell your date that it was uncomfortable and you won't be seeing him again. explain why as well. He sounds awful!

Daisy7654 · 08/12/2019 22:26

I'm finding the advice on this post v weird.
He sounds lovely. (Your ex)
He sounds to me like he's missed you terribly. Why do you have to be so cruel to him?
I think you should get back in contact and I think the emotion your both feeling is love.
You don't have to walk away. Fight for him. I think he's the one.

AutumnConker · 08/12/2019 22:48

I think the problem is that it is quite a complicated thread and the OP seems to have different issues going on relating to different men. Reading originating post , the past and present seemed mixed up as well the way it was expressed. Because its quite a jumble so its hard for people to understand what is going on, though I think they did try to help.

poltergust · 08/12/2019 23:17

Well said OP.

Diagnosing personality disorders from a couple of messages on a forum (about a third party) is pretty ridiculous. If MN was reality, every other person would be a 'narc' Hmm. The guy sounded like a complete twat but that's all we can say with any certainty.

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