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Am I a paranoid and pathetic Fool

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Suki84 · 05/12/2019 21:04

My husband has become very close to a woman at work and very distant from me as a result. i have tried to confront him and he just says I am the jealous type.
I managed to get hold of his normally very guarded phone and read the message on WhatsApp between the 2 of them. I know they have been messaging a lot for months but he only had messages from the last 3 weeks. All others were deleted. Some of the chat had deleted bits. Every message ends with a cheeky emoji mainly the blowy kiss and the love heart eyes . He is constantly asking if she is ok. Or things like why were you quiet yesterday. She sent a pic of herself and he responded with gorgeous and a 2 love heart eyes emoji. There are bits where he mentions me and she does the lol emoji (laughing with tears). I can’t see what’s funny. e.g. he says il have to ask the mrs if we have plans. to which she replied with 5 of the laughing emojis. Am I missing something or is there a private joke. I know her marriage is failing from comments my hubby made in the past. But is it ok for her to turn to someone else’s man for comfort. I get no care or affection from him.

I confronted him once again and he called me a pathetic paranoid fool with no concrete evidence. He said everything on there is banter

I have a pounding headache and can’t think.
Please can I have your views Is it ok for them to be so close.
Thanks in advance

OP posts:
TammyKat · 06/12/2019 00:48

Well done OP! He’s definitely up to something, and to make you think you’re pathetic is just his game

MsDogLady · 06/12/2019 01:06

Your H is having, at the very least, an emotional affair. They have been making a mockery of you. He is now calling you a paranoid, pathetic fool? As usual, he is contemptuously shifting the blame to you.

Suki, is this the same woman you wrote about a few months ago? I commented on that thread. One of his colleagues told you that H had been giving a female coworker a lift home for over a year. You had never even heard of this woman! H was standing there and looked guilty, but later blamed his secrecy on you. He had repeatedly been an hour late coming home, and his phone would be off. You never could reach him when you needed to, even though you were in a high-risk pregnancy after an late term miscarriage. He didn’t care.

You wrote about his extreme emotional abuse of you—his moods, rages and contemptuous behavior. When you cry he never looks up from his phone. He is a pig who throws trash on the floor and leaves dishes on the sofa and expects you to clean it, even though you are exhausted from baby care. He won’t help with the children. Once when the baby spit up on you, you asked if he’d watch her while you showered. He proceeded to leave the house and didn’t return until 1:00 a.m. He then entered the bedroom and said, “You can shower now.”

He also exhibits road rage, has actually exited the car to argue with other drivers, and he starts arguments all over town.

You are afraid of him during his angry episodes. When you’ve mentioned separating, he has promised to seek help for his anger, but never follows through. After learning about the mystery woman, you said that you had finally found your anger and were going to stop tolerating him. You were going to seek support.

Suki, he will never change. He will always be an abusive monster. Plus, he is absolutely cheating on you. I hope that you will one day leave him. Your children will be damaged in this toxic, brutal environment. You three deserve a safe and peaceful life.

MsDogLady · 06/12/2019 01:41

I just saw your update! You sound so strong now and your children will benefit from your courage.

plumbabe · 06/12/2019 04:44

Good for you OP. This man treats you like a nobody. Kick him out.

puds11 · 06/12/2019 04:49

Well done @Suki84 Flowers You have made the right choice. Even if the affair hadn’t become physical, they are having an emotional affair. His treatment of you has been vile.

Thisismyusernamefornow · 06/12/2019 06:00

He sounds like a monster. Carbon copy of my ex actually.

Keep strong and don't let his script enter your head. Remember your fire and anger and use it.

OhioOhioOhio · 06/12/2019 06:14

Very well done.

Mary1935 · 06/12/2019 07:43

I’d grab the arse holes phone and text her and tell her she’s welcome to him!! Well done for being strong OP. It must be tough.
I hope you have real life support.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 07:47

And to think.i was advocating separation and divorce from just the post in this thread!

Sorry youve been going through this op, esp with babies/little kids; what an excuse of a man.

If you'd like to read it to try to deal with all the lying, gas lighting, manipulation etc , here is a thread about the cheaters script (there are several others as well);

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1634754-Men-affairs-what-is-the-script

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 07:49

And a link to the classic "why does he do that" (written about physical abuse but actually covers all kinds of abuse and shot behaviour in relationships).

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 07:53

One of his colleagues told you that H had been giving a female coworker a lift home for over a year. You had never even heard of this woman! H was standing there and looked guilty, but later blamed his secrecy on you. He had repeatedly been an hour late coming home, and his phone would be off.

I'd put a decent amount of money on him having been doing more than messaging her.

If it isn't her, it'll very likely be someibe else; this man doesn't sound like relationship material, I think he'll be destroying the soul of any woman he's with (after a honeymoon period). Anyone he had kids with will obviously get it even worse.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 07:59

with no concrete evidence

Oh and just to say; don't get caught up in this, you don't need concrete evidence of anything ... You can separate from him at any time for any reasons you want, and you can divorce him with it without his agreement (longer waiting period for latter of course) if and when you want. You don't need to prove anything and you dont need his permission.

If someone decided tomorrow that they didn't want to be in a marriage with perfectly harmless spouse who has done nothing "wrong" any longer, they can do so in this country. That's their right. This man had given you reason after reason and you don't have to proof his (extremely likely) infidelity. You want out (and no fucking wonder), you can get out. Don't let him bully and mind-fk you on top of everything else.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 08:04

You would be divorcing him on unreasonable behaviour, not infidelity (almost no-one ever divorces on infidelity because it's so hard to prove) and you have plenty of examples of that, which you don't really need to "prove" anyway.

You can do that with his agreement or without, with a longer separation period. He'll probably move into a new victim quickly and want free anyway.

Does he actually think you need concrete evidence of his infidelity to separate from him, or even divorce him? Arrogant wanker.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 08:07

*onto

doublebarrellednurse · 06/12/2019 08:27

This rang so true it kicked me in the gut from when my husband had an emotional affair. Everything you said he did.

I'm sorry 😞

CursedDiamond · 06/12/2019 08:43

I recently ended a relationship of over a decade. And huge part of it was because I felt unloved. There was very little verbal affection and not much physical outside of actual sex either. A lot of the time I wondered if he even liked me that much.

Very early in our relationship, I found letters that he’d drafted to his ex in my computer. They weren’t sexual, but they were jokey and affectionate, in a way he never had been with me. Years later I brought them up. What hurt me was that he couldn’t be that emotionally open and vulnerable with me. He never really understood why I was upset and it never changed. His dismissal and devaluation of my feelings was a constant of our relationship and it was only when I was starting to end things that he started trying to listen. Too late.

My point is, it doesn’t really matter if he’s cheating, or if we call this cheating. He is giving to someone else something that you want, and don’t get. So the relationship isn’t working. You don’t need proof that it’s gone further - this is a reason enough on its own.

Good luck OP.

Sunflowersok · 06/12/2019 09:57

Horrible bastard. You deserve the world OP, don’t let this gaslighting, emotional cheater make you think otherwise Flowers

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 09:58

Also his comments (so nasty) and his talk of you having no.conctete proof sound nothing like someone innocent and decent, they sound almost goading .. and like he thinks he's superior/ smarter and you can catch him out.

But you don't need to, you can end it without proof. Often you'll never get it anyway. Dont let him wrap you up/paralyse you in that.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 09:58

*can't catch him out

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 10:00

I wouldn't actually do it but I would love to see his face if, on telling you you have no concrete proof, you're a fool etc., you told him you've had a listening device in his car for the last six months and have recordings if everything.i think his reaction would be telling.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 10:03

Also it's response to "I'll have to check if I have any plans with wife" .... that she indicated she's pissing herself laughing. Wtf is that about? That's not normal/explicable in any innocent way.

Sandals19 · 06/12/2019 10:22

Ow's response

Suki84 · 06/12/2019 12:05

He has been gaslighting or trying to all morning and calling me deluded and all sorts. But when I said I will contact her husband he suddenly changed and looked so worried. He said there’s no need to do that. Please don’t do that and basically has been begging me not to involve him. Apparently I will Ruin her marriage wtf??? He is so panicked by the fact I know her husbands name and want to tell him, I thought she was in a bad marriage???

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OhioOhioOhio · 06/12/2019 12:07

Stop speaking to him. Get on with getting your new life in order.

Justmuddlingalong · 06/12/2019 12:08

👍 well done on taking back some control. It's quite liberating isn't it? Stay strong.