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Husband keeps putting off trying for a baby

95 replies

Biggobyboo · 01/12/2019 22:05

We’ve been married for a couple of months. I’m 33. He said before we were married we could start trying for a baby after marriage. Great.

Only he keeps using condoms and saying “not quite yet” when I question it! We’ve had unprotected sex a couple of times though.

He is in the military and we are moving next month. I’m currently a teacher so will be leaving my current school when we move without a job lined up as yet. When we are both working, our joint income is 80k. We have 30k of savings and two properties we rent out. Zero debt. Yet he wants to wait until I have found a job when we move so I can get paid maternity leave and we will be “financially stable.” Ummmm we are already!

My clock is very much ticking but he doesn’t seem bothered at all!

OP posts:
OrangeZog · 02/12/2019 20:14

FFS had a chat with him and he really does want a family (apparently) but now wants to be married a year to “enjoy married life.”

So now he is onto the next excuse. I wonder what he will come up with in a year’s time.

OrangeZog · 02/12/2019 20:15

I think he needs educating in how long it can take to conceive as well. You could still be trying two years down the line.

OliviaBenson · 02/12/2019 20:23

And when you said you don't want to wait what did he say? Have you confronted him about him moving the goalposts all the time?

I'm childfree by choice and no one should ever have a child they don't want but he also should be honest with you so you can make some tough decisions.

If he doesn't want children and you do there is no compromise I'm afraid.

FizzyGreenWater · 02/12/2019 20:25

Nope.

OP I am sorry but this is one for the nuclear option. You can't take the risk - you can't wait that year to see whether he's genuine, and then risk hearing another excuse. You have time but you don't have time to wait (and, I presume, you don't WANT to be put in that horrible resentful position where you wait, and stew, waiting to find out if he's stringing you along).

I would suggest that you first tell him that you'd planned to try for a baby and that's what you want, so no, there won't really be a year of 'enjoying married life' (what the fuck does that mean - oh that's right - nothing - it's no different in terms of what you actually do with your time to your life as partners) - there will be, at best, a year of watching your new wife feel tense, unhappy, strung along, and see the arguments build. Unless he plans to do it alone, 'enjoying married life' ain't gonna happen from this starting point.

So you say, no. That isn't what I want and I am not going to take the risk of you turning around in a year with another excuse. We got married on the understanding we'd start a family afterwards. We either start trying now, as planned, or I won't be moving with you next month. You can go to base, and I will be applying for jobs in case this is a permanent split. You don't get to be the boss here - we're either trying now, or I'm calling a halt.

PLEASE DO THIS.

There isn't another option that won't have you here in a year absolutely livid and broken that he's shifted the goalposts again.

Biggobyboo · 02/12/2019 20:28

He said he isn’t moving the goal posts and that we got engaged and married like he said we would.

He showed me a YouTube video about how fertility doesn’t decline dramatically after 35. 🙄

He said he doesn’t want a child right now. I said I do. He said he doesn’t. That’s his argument.

I’m researching how easy it is to become a teacher somewhere overseas like Australia or Dubai. I’m fed up of this and the stupid military and moving every two years.

On another note, I wonder if it would be worth having one of those fertility MOTs to see what my fertility is like?

OP posts:
FizzyGreenWater · 02/12/2019 20:28

Just to stress again. There's no compromise here, but what he'll tell you is that waiting IS the compromise. IT'S NOT. Because every six months you wait, you're further invested, you're older, and he knows it, and it's harder to walk away. Putting it off is him chipping away at your cards until you hold fewer and fewer.

I suspect that if you frighten him with a very direct refusal to wait, and a plan to leave, he might back down. Now - if he really does not want kids, that brings its own set of issues to discuss.

But the one thing you must do is draw a line right here and refuse, absolutely refuse, to be strung along any more.

FizzyGreenWater · 02/12/2019 20:31

Ok, sounds like this isn't good.

Yes definitely, to fertility MOTs. Very useful.

Whatever you do, don't move with him. I have a feeling you're getting less keen on that anyway! - it certainly sounds all about him.

In the meantime, what's the option for you staying where you are and getting some supply work?

Do you own one of the properties yourself or are things all joint?

Aquamarine1029 · 02/12/2019 20:36

He has the right to not want a baby right now, but it's the fact that he's fucking you about that's alarming. I have no doubt he'll come up with another excuse in a year's time.

You've got plenty of time left on your biological clock.

Sorry, this is simply not necessarily true. I wouldn't be wanting to wait if I were you.

Biggobyboo · 02/12/2019 20:42

The properties are joint names.

I’ve already told him I’m staying here and he can live in the mess during the week.

I can get some supply work and look for another permanent job.

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FizzyGreenWater · 02/12/2019 20:45

Well done OP.

Focus on places YOU actually want to live when job hunting. Places you can see yourself settling.

Get the fertility MOT.

Let him chew on all that for a bit. Don't back down.

FizzyGreenWater · 02/12/2019 20:46

Also, don't panic. Folk are absolutely right saying you don't have time to waste - but that's exactly it, no time to waste. What that means is, you are relatively young, and it's likely that you will be perfectly fertile for years to come, BUT, at 33 you don't have time to ignore things, waste five years thinkign 'oh it'll come good' - THEN start worrying. But that's not what you're doing - you're prioritising it now, so all good.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 02/12/2019 21:16

This does not sound good at all. He's dismissive of you and you are not on the same page re finances, childcare, maternity leave etc. You really need to be able to agree on all of of this before you TTC.

I do think you should have a fertility test though so you know what you could potentially be facing.

dontalltalkatonce · 02/12/2019 23:21

FFS had a chat with him and he really does want a family (apparently) but now wants to be married a year to “enjoy married life.”

It's up to you, but really? FFS. Best thing I ever did was divorce, even with the other future faker, all 'perfect planning prevents pitiful performance'. Please. Nah. Fertility MOT, my arse. It took me 5 months to conceive after coming off the pill, and then I went on the Mirena after having DD1 and breastfeeding, it was another 6 months to conceive DD2.

It's really your shout, but I stopped buying this kind of bollocks when I was 30.

A friend's daughter has just split up with her partner of 5 years, age 29. 'His heart wasn't in it' apparently. She's exploring her options, mostly of having embryos with anonymous sperm donor from Scandinavia (her mother is Scandi). Money isn't a problem. Clever girl, IMO.

I'd get another job there myself and not move, for starters. Sorry, but I'm close on 49 now and have seen this scenario play out too many times, nearly always with the woman ending up without children and her partner or husband going on with someone else younger and having kids.

Best of luck to you, again, your shout, but really? I'd nope out.

dontalltalkatonce · 02/12/2019 23:49

I may sound harsh, but future fakers really do my nut, because they so commonly move on with younger women and tell the one whom they finally have kids with all sorts, 'She just pushed too much,' 'The timing wasn't right' 'She decided to leave.'

You are doing the right thing by priortising yourself and focusing on that.

The way I saw it, when I was there, was that I could live with having tried and not got there, but I couldn't take someone deciding that for me or my letting them do so, because that was a decision, too.

dontalltalkatonce · 03/12/2019 00:51

I’m researching how easy it is to become a teacher somewhere overseas like Australia or Dubai. I’m fed up of this and the stupid military and moving every two years.

Depending on what you teach, not hard to teach abroad, look at other and all options like Japan and other parts of Asia, don't rule them out, there's often a huge international community.

managedmis · 03/12/2019 01:24

How far is the mess from where you live? Are you going to move to Australia alone or are you already there?

Preggosaurus9 · 03/12/2019 02:06

Newsflash for your DH: Married life is identical to co habiting life Cake

You need to get more assertive at rejecting his bullshit OP. While he's spouting it! Cut him off mid sentence and tell him YOU'RE TALKING BOLLOCKS. From what you've posted he is taking you for a ride. At 33 and with the amount of financial security you two have there is zero reason not to TTC.

Agree with pp you are very likely to have him blame you for wanting a child and he will dump all childcare and domestic responsibility on you. Another reason to get good at calling out his bullshit.

Dogladyxo · 03/12/2019 07:43

100% agree with pp I wouldn’t accept this

ReanimatedSGB · 03/12/2019 08:26

You'll have to decide which you want more - children, or a relationship with this particular man. Because he doesn't want children, certainly not yet, probably not ever. He sounds like the sort who, if you do actually get pregnant, will whine and sulk and nag you to terminate because it's 'not the right time'. And if he doesn't do that, he is very likely to, as PP have said, treat all the childcare and night wakings etc as your responsibility because 'you wanted a kid'.

Longfacenow · 03/12/2019 08:29

OP I want to add that yes a fertility MOT can be very useful but not in your case now. It will take a few months to do and then you'll be close to half way through the year anyway.

I know lots of people who agreed on the year wait and then it happened, so I don't think he's stringing you along based on wanting that year.

The more worrying aspect is that he's shown you a you tube video and thinks that means there is no risk here.

I think I would agree to wait 6 months. Don't go nuclear yet.

Verily1 · 03/12/2019 08:40

It sounds like he never really wanted dcs

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2019 08:51

"FS had a chat with him and he really does want a family (apparently) but now wants to be married a year to enjoy married life.”

And what are you supposed to do with your own self, you are certainly going to have to find another teaching job.

He does not want a family at all. He was unsure about children to begin with and I feel he has just told you what you wanted to hear.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/12/2019 08:58

"I’ve already told him I’m staying here and he can live in the mess during the week. I can get some supply work and look for another permanent job".

Good. Continue with your above plan. And what reanimatedSGB wrote. If you were to actually have a child by him (unlikely seeing as he keeps on moving the goalposts) he'd be still in the military and you would be left to deal with all the child rearing.

Purplewithred · 03/12/2019 09:01

When XDH did this I should have left him. But I pushed and pushed and he gave in. I then suffered years of guilt because I felt he hand’t wanted the children, and put up with his crap parenting ditto.

everybodyneedsomebody · 03/12/2019 09:15

The way I saw it, when I was there, was that I could live with having tried and not got there, but I couldn't take someone deciding that for me or my letting them do so, because that was a decision, too.

This was me. I could live with having tried and it not happened. But not with it not happening because I didn’t try or I was kept from trying for too long it ended up impossible.

I was in your shoes OP when I was 28, though I knew for sure I might struggle with my fertility as I had a diagnosis of endometriosis already. My ex kept swinging from ‘I dunno if I ever want kids’ to ‘maybe someday’ to ‘maybe when we’re early to mid thirties’ and after a few months of fighting over it we split up. We’d been together three years and within the first six months of dating I’d brought up kids and that I wanted to start a family by thirty due to my health and he said he did too. When it came to it he didn’t, which was his right (I think he either lied to me about wanting it in the hope he’d change his own mind or he maybe just said whatever it took to keep being with me).

I just knew I couldn’t be happy with him anymore, knowing that I was ready for a baby and seeing my fertile years tick away, not wanting the same things, feeling miserable at every pregnancy announcement from anyone else, wondering why he didn’t want this with me when to me it seemed like the most amazing thing. I knew I’d rather break up and have a chance at a family than stay with him knowingly putting myself in the position of maybe not ever having a child.

A couple of weeks later I met my now DH, second date I told him having kids was important to me and I planned to start a family within three years either with someone or on my own, and that I was only informing him so that if he knew that wasn’t his goal too we could avoid dating and not waste one another’s time. He was like yeah, I can see a baby at that age, I’ve always wanted kids. We dated and moved in and saved for a house and were pregnant and engaged by our third anniversary (married a couple months later, short engagement!).

There are men out there who want kids just as much as you and when you find one you can’t believe you ever wasted time being with a man who didn’t want the same things as you. Not to mention, pregnancy is such a stressful time, you really need a partner who is all-in who can reassure you you’re both ready and keep calm and who you can see is ready to be a father and making solid plans to be a good dad. It’s a bit macabre but it brings me a lot of peace knowing if I died in childbirth, I trust my baby’s father to do a good job and raise him well and he’s in safe hands.

I wouldn’t bother with an MOT in your shoes, either it’ll suggest you need to get cracking in which case you’re still screwed cos you’re still with a man who doesn’t want to try (and absolute ‘best case scenario’ is what, he agrees reluctantly to try? You don’t wanna be TTC with a reluctant father!), or it indicates you’re about on track with your fertility for your age and then it gives him even more reason to delay, when really these tests can’t show everything. A pelvic ultrasound and blood test wouldn’t have shown that one of my tubes was irreparably blocked from endo (that’s diagnosed with surgery and a dye test).

I’d go for bust tbh at 33, you don’t have time to waste if a baby is important. And you’re in a dangerous position as you could string yourself along for another year or two and be in an even worse position later. At 33, newly married, wanting kids, you’d be nuts to pin your hopes on waiting to see whether he changes his mind in a year. I’d tell him you’re either starting to try now or you have to end the marriage and pursue your goals separately. Unless this man is genuinely worth taking a chance on losing the opportunity to have a family. Women can’t afford to allow their fertile years to be dictated or wasted away by men who don’t have a biological clock imo. Know too many sad stories of a woman staying with a guy and convincing herself she can forgo a family for ‘love’ then they split and she sees him have kids with someone else when it’s too late for her.

Really sorry you’re in this position OP. I remember it well and it was terrifying and took over my thoughts. The sheer panic of knowing you’re ready for a baby and need to get cracking but being unable to and being messed around. You have so much in savings, I believe his financial stipulations are just a smoke screen for the fact he isn’t actually wanting a baby any time soon. I mean it can take healthy couples with perfectly timed sex up to a year to conceive anyway, I believe the average is around six to eight months but you’d need to check that out, then you sadly have no guarantee it’ll end in a healthy baby, might need to try again, more time, could be something wrong with a baby that means TFMR is necessary, could struggle to fall pregnant at all and need tests and treatment, even in the best case scenario if you got pregnant tomorrow it’s the better part of a year before the baby arrives! So the idea is waiting a year to even start the process of trying is hugely risky at 33. Not trying to scaremonger. I’m sure you know all this.

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