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To not want to leave an abusive partner

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JSweetpea1234 · 17/11/2019 11:52

Hi
I suppose I’ve come here to look for clarity. I don’t know if I should stay with my partner of nearly 5 years. I love him but I also hate him, he is treating me awfully and I’m just letting him walk all over me. Our DD is 6 months old so I suppose I am with him for her. However recently things are getting worse. He takes cocaine and drinks a lot (I drink but no cocaine) when he had it he screams abuse at me calling me every name under the sun, I’m a bad mum, pack my bags and leave, he hates me, I’m a cheat liar fat etc etc (I don’t understand where’s this comes from I have never cheated in my life) the other week he went on a bender didn’t sleep for 2 days and came charging at me trying to throttle me becaue I told him to go to bed. This is now a weekly occurrence and when I co front him when he’s sober he’s either embarrassed and tells me to leave him alone or everything is my fault. I’ve told him he has a problem but he’s in denial.
When we get on it’s so good. He’s great with DD and me in the week and he does make me happy. We have gone through so much together I don’t want to throw it all away especially now I have a 6 mo th old I’m terrified of leaving and being in my own. I have a great family and friends circle but no mum or dad so he knows I don’t have anywhere to go when he tries to chuck me out.
I don’t really know what I’m asking for here. I feel like I can’t with him but can’t live without him.

OP posts:
krankykittykat · 17/11/2019 14:27

Why would you want to keep your child in an abusive household?

LouMumsnet · 17/11/2019 14:29

@JSweetpea1234, we're just bobbing onto the thread to say that we're moving your thread to the Relationships topic where you'll be able to continue to get advice and support from other Mumsnetters.

We'd also urge you to have a read of our domestic violence webpage where you'll be able to find useful contact details and advice on getting RL help.

Whilst we're here, we also wanted to advise folk to exercise some caution. The truth is that, sadly, we at MNHQ can't know with 100% certainty that any poster is genuine, no matter who they are or how long they have been here. As frustrating as it is, we're just not able to vouch for anyone here.

So we always ask users to remember that not everyone on the internet is who they say they are – and remind folk not to give more to another poster, either financially (in cash or gifts) or emotionally (in time or care and support) than they'd be prepared to lose if things went wrong. The same goes in terms of arranging to meet up with other posters in RL and, with that in mind, if you receive a PM which makes you uneasy - report it to us and we’ll take a look.

Sorry to hijack your thread briefly there, OP – we really hope you get the help and support you need.

Flowers
WorldEndingFire · 17/11/2019 14:30

Speak to Women's Aid as others have said. Do the Freedom Programme. Save your life.

To not want to leave an abusive partner
12345kbm · 17/11/2019 14:53

You're in a very dangerous position and you need to listen very carefully to what you're being told here.

You need to contact Women's Aid as soon as he's away from the house: 0808 2000 247

This man is throttling you on a regular basis and he will likely kill you at some point. It could be today. What happens to your daughter left alone in the house with a raging alcoholic and cocaine user? She is defenceless and she needs her mother to do everything she can to help and support her.

Please call Women's Aid and organise to leave as safely as you can. Please do not tell him that you are making plans to leave. You will be supported in order to leave and you need to leave as soon as possible.

The reason you feel as though you can't leave him is not because of love. It's a very strong tie, called a 'trauma bond'. You are psychologically hooked like a drug addiction. It is not love and you can live without him. He has eroded your self esteem so that you think you can't, but you can and you will. There is live beyond abuse and you will survive this.

Please take that first step.

JSweetpea1234 · 17/11/2019 15:24

Thank you everyone I know what I need to do for myself my daughter. It’s finding the strength to do it when you have been with someone so long who changes like the win after a matter of drinks.
There is some really mean comments about why I am in this position and telling me to have my daughter adopted to a ‘loving family’
She is loved very much thank you I am just trying to find courage to get myself out of this position xx

OP posts:
12345kbm · 17/11/2019 15:32

You sound as though you are in denial and are not treating this with the urgency it needs.

You are living with someone who is very likely going to kill you. What is going to happen to your daughter? Is he going to kill her too? It's not unknown.

Take a look at the website counting dead women kareningalasmith.com/2019/03/10/2019/ Read their stories. Read the stories of the 90 women killed this year by a partner or former partner. Read the stories of those whose children were also killed. None of them thought that their partner would kill them and yet, there they are.

Please call Women's Aid as soon as it's safe and make plans to leave.

PlasticPatty · 17/11/2019 15:43

OP, gather your tiny shreds of courage. Make the calls, leave safely.
I had one of those, who abused me and throttled me, long ago. My dd was four when I split with her dad; she's now 37. We discussed it recently, and she pointed out that if he'd succeeded in killing me, he would have killed her also. That hadn't occurred to me, but it's true.
[The 'adopted into a loving family' isn't as helpful as some people think - many adopted children feel the loss of their birth parents very deeply, even when they bond well with their adoptive parents and love them.]
Please leave, safely and soon. This week. Today if you can.

Livebythecoast · 17/11/2019 15:53

You've had some excellent advice here OP. Of course you love your DD which is exactly the reason you need to leave this abusive man - even if you don't do it for you - you must for her, please.
It's scary, it's the unknown, it's easy for people on an anonymous forum to say leave but remember, a lot of people have been where you are so they know what they're talking about. You can do this Flowers

MitziK · 17/11/2019 16:07

Your comments are understandable - but seriously, if you don't take careful steps to leave right now (as long as he doesn't kill you and/or your daughter first in a drug fuelled rage), there is a very good chance that your baby will be taken from you for her own protection and potentially placed for adoption.

Refuge places, council funded B&B rooms (as far from your current location as possible would be a very, very good idea), even a hotel 50 miles away as somewhere to stay whilst you approach the local authority for help is better than this - you don't have to go straight to somebody you already know and expect them to house and feed you.

If you stay, you will lose your daughter one way or another - whether it's because he kills you, he kills her or you end up hospitalised and social services realise you are going to take her back into that environment on discharge, so take her into care is irrelevant. You stay with him, you will lose her.

moannomoanyes · 17/11/2019 16:25

@JSweetpea1234 I totally understand that when he is off the drink and drugs you can't bare thinking about breaking up your family - I am in a similar situation.
But we must remember that while this situation leaves us feeling stressed, worried and confused our partners do not feel this burden at all so why should we.
He should be so worried, upset and disgusted in himself he should be trying to find ways to help himself to make his family happier.
Even if you want to continue you relationship with him once he has got help it is much better for you to be out of this current situation where you don't have much to yourself.
You need your own sanctuary for your own peace.
I don't know where you live but I know my council would give emergency housing if you turn up to the right place just give it a google because you are in two groups of concern here young child and domestic violence they will find you somewhere as soon as you show up as say you're homeless and eventually you will get long term housing.
Good luck OP and stay strong Thanks

anothernamejeeves · 17/11/2019 16:28

I know it's hard to break away but ultimately you have a choice in this. Your baby doesn't.
It WILL cause her harm whether you never fight in front of her or you do. Her development and emotional well-being will suffer. She will likely continue the cycle in her own future relationships. It will be hard but you can do this.

Darklesparkles · 17/11/2019 16:28

Please go, I have just managed to leave my verbally abusive husband after wavering for 3 years. I am still wavering and finding my way but your situation is so different from mine. He is physically assaulting you. He could kill you. If it was your DD telling you this in 20 years time, what would you tell her? You'd tell her to run and never look back.

Please please leave, you can do it. Don't tell him you are going to leave first, just grab essentials and go when he is gone. Possessions can be replaced, your life can't. Flowers

PrincessAnnaOfArundale · 17/11/2019 16:29

You already know the answer to this OP. You have to leave him. I know it's scary and heartbreaking but you know this man is dangerous. How long before you get seriously hurt or worse. How long before your daughter is aware of what is going in and sees you being attacked or gets injured herself. People on cocaine are not rational and just because he's good with your daughter now doesn't mean she isn't at risk.

I'm sorry you're going through this but your life should not be lived in snippets of when things are good and the rest of the time walking on egg shells for fear of being abused. There is more to life than that and you need to do the right thing for your daughter and yourself. You aren't safe. You need to get to safety and eventually happiness will come. Good luck and please take care of yourself x

Kerry197878 · 17/11/2019 16:35

Listen it's hard we know this .. no one judges you as it people emphasize they know how hard it is .. but don't get Xmas out of the way , or hahaha birthday or Easter , Halloween ... don't feel guilty .. baby is young and won't be affected much as if she were older .. you need to think of yourself now and your child . Stop thinking of the happy times you have together or all the shit you have been through as you will never leave .. it you don't plan it , you will regret it and if they'd violence argument in your home and drugs social service may get involved as you are failing to protect her that's how they see shit like this ... he's not that special to risk losing your child is he

Celebelly · 17/11/2019 16:41

As others have said, if you can't get the courage to leave for yourself then please, please do it for your daughter. You are her protector and advocate, and growing up in this kind of toxic environment will damage her for the rest of her life. If you care for her and want the best for her, which I'm sure you do, you need to get out. I can't state this strongly enough: often by the time social services get involved with children in households with domestic abuse, the damage is already done. The damage can already be done in preschool children. Do not wait.

FixItUpChappie · 17/11/2019 16:46

I don’t know if I should stay with my partner

If your daughter or your friend or your mother wrote the OP what would you advise?

You will be the one to teach your child what a relationship looks like. Don't teach her to put up and shut up out of fear.

JorisBonson · 17/11/2019 17:45

Being or staying with someone isn't a prerequisite. You stay with them because you enjoy their company, because you are good to each other, because they enrich your life in some way. This man does none of these things and you don't owe him anything.

Dullardmullard · 17/11/2019 23:26

Go to a refuge

Do so now not a friends just the refuge block him on everything for a bit just to get your head straight because he’ll try and worm his way in.

Think of your daughter here

Veni33 · 18/11/2019 05:01

So, when I was a child my dad would beat my mum probably every week or so. Sometimes he was happy and loving, sometimes he was explosive and abusive. My mother was wonderful, happy, caring, creative.. wouldn't harm a fly. She stayed with him for her children.

I heard and absorbed everything.. every beating, every affair, every insult, every week long silence between them. Seeing bruises all over my mother was completely normal to me.

Fast forward to age 16+.. My first relationship was with another female, I was too afraid to be with a man. We were together for 2 years and it was great, until I realised I was actually attracted to men.

My 2nd relationship was with a man some years later. He would regularly cheat on me, beat me, and ended up trying to kill me with a kitchen knife before I finally left him. He didnt manage to stab me but my face was unrecognisable for some time from beating, and I was bed bound for weeks. The attending paramedic urged me to leave him as my injuries were amongst the worst she'd seen from domestic violence. I left him as soon as I was physically able.

My 3rd boyfriend was wonderful. Cant fault him. But my issues surrounding men ended up being taken out on him. I didnt know how to be in a relationship that wasnt abusive.

My 4th and last relationship was with a narcissist who I dont even want to type words about, it was that bad.

My dad was a good dad in so many ways, but his temper and the way he treated my mother not only stole my childhood, but also silently dictated most of my adult romantic relationships. It completely shaped my expectations of men. It took just over 15 years for me to realise, process and begin to correct this.

Trust me, you dont want your daughter on this path or anywhere near it. She needs to see you be strong and have healthy relationships with men. And you deserve that. You deserve to hear the words "Im sorry, I was wrong" followed by a loving embrace from the man you love when hes committed a healthy, non abusive indiscretion. You deserve for your lover to honour you and protect you, and never even dream of putting his hands on you. Whatever you want for your daughter in a future partner, you deserve now, and youll both benefit highly when you do find someone who has all of those qualities, so that she can practice falling in love with the right things, not with things you wouldn't wish on anyone.

I'm not gonna tell you to up and leave and change your life over night, unless you're ready and prepared for that. I know from experience how genuinely beginning to do that can scare you back into denial and retreat sometimes. For some people slow and secret escapes are the best option. Some people may need time to save money, make plans etc. Only you know your situation and how physically safe your daughter truly is. But I will say this, my dad has always been against hitting children, and he didnt hit us. But it didnt matter. That just taught child me that men dont hit children, but they hit women, which I ofcourse eventually grew to be.

So maybe ask yourself different questions, Not about the worth of everything around you now, cos that's ever changing. But maybe, what's it worth to you to make sure that your daughter is never in the position to be able to write a message like the one I've written here to anyone. EVER. That she never has to experience anything like this. Then make a plan, or do whatever you need to do, and stick to it. You're enough. You as you are. Anyone who treats you this way doesnt deserve your understanding anymore.

Find your weak spot (usually your strongest, best trait around non abusive people), most probably your empathy, and ask yourself if it's worked for you, as in in your favour, so far in your relationship, or has it worked for him and ultimately hurt you?

Understand that it will be hard if you choose to go but know that you can do it. If the abuse doesnt end, you may well be unintentionally gambling with your childs future.

Please expect better for yourself and know your worth so that these same things become second nature to her.

Finally, my dad also used to do cocaine. It genuinely scared the absolute s**t out of me as a child. I could always tell. I just never knew what it was until I grew up. It made me detach from him much more.

You both deserve so much better!

Sorry about the essay, I hope this helps you somehow.xx

BorisJohnsonsModelBus · 18/11/2019 05:18

I just want to add to all this good advice, a warning.

Your baby is in the 'easy' bit. When she is two or three and having huge tantrums and difficult behaviour, what will he do? I can't imagine it will be good. God bless you both.

Meshe · 18/11/2019 06:23

I read this & felt i needed to comment. Will keep it short. You sound like me. Only I'm 17 years & two kids on. He dose coke.. Prostitutes, in the past & is a narsasit but he blames me. He has a gf now and I have have to watch him getting ready for nights out & weekends away with her.. Hurt me at first but I'm glad he is her problem & not mine. I have no money & nowhere to go. I am stuck with this vile man. I work two jobs & try to be a good mum.. But I've lost a lot of weight & its sad.. So please.. Run for the hills.. They absolutely don't change 😢

Fightingmycorner2019 · 18/11/2019 07:19

I would force anyone to do anything , or guilt trip anyone either

It’s took me 11 years to try to end it
But Op ? Get ready . If nothing else
Start to keep a
Diary log
Research a bit into abusive behaviour
Start to save up a running away fund
Start to tell
Close friends what’s going on

Stay safe Flowers

Lozzerbmc · 18/11/2019 09:52

What if when you baby is a toddler she finds some drugs and eats them? Please get away for her sake if you dont care about yourself. Get support from the family you do have - they will want to help you. He’ll say he’ll change blah blah they never do!! Good luck!

Cezbee87 · 18/11/2019 10:46

LEAVE! and show your little girl what a strong woman you are. You're the person who sets the tone for her future relationships and the one you're in is not healthy, she can't grow up thinking that's what love is and how relationships are! It's tough on your own, and scary at first but you will feel so much lighter with him gone and you can focus on being a good role model for your little girl. X

Rosalianka · 18/11/2019 15:12

Hi honey,
With regret I have to say, that I came through same decision.
I got engaged to a man who I loved with my whole heart. We went through really bad moments side by side and it bonded us. But then ... He became abusive. And my advice is -leave. I know it is difficult, I know too well. Looking at him every day and knkwing that you are losing control. But love, it is not only control over your relationship. You are losing control over who you are. Abuse gets worse day by day. And once it appears, ask yourself, does this disrespectful man truly love you? 💞 I wish that we could lie to ourselves. My fiancee also fell for cocaine. Later. And beated me so badly that I almost lost my life. And do you want this vortex of never ending crying, anxiety and sorrow for your child? And do you want this for your whole future? You were made for sooo much more than this. Only your ability to stand in this situation is showing that you can handle absolutely anything. When I left him, I had doubts about it all. But they disappeared with time... And i grow stronger. Very slowly. Because my stage of leave was too late. I keep on seeing him in one room with me when it gets dark. I am on antidepressants. And there is nothing, nothing more courageous than leaving when you know your child's life can be hurt. I do believe, that you feel in your heart that it is your child for who you exist. And as every mother you feel the urge to protect your son. Right? This makes you supermom. And I will any time offer you my help ♥️. We are stronger than we think, and deserve more than sorrow. :)

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