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Single Dad. How do I approach the subject of reducing child maintenance with my ex? UPDATE

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malgrat78 · 11/11/2019 11:43

Thought I would give a quick update on the thread I started back at the end of October as I got a lot of very helpful responses. Hope people can remember it.

Somethings happened which made my mind up that I should stop the maintenance as soon as possible. Basically, I received a text from my Son’s mum’s boyfriend who is the guy who’s on a methadone treatment plan. It was a very long text from my ex’s phone. It was basically telling me how misbehaved my son is & how it is my job to discipline him & how he should show his mother more respect as you only get one mum & her love is unconditional. This all started as my son had gone to his mum's house to go Trick or Treating with his friends. He went back to his mums after a couple of hours & it appeared that no one was in so he got a lift back to mine. His mum then phoned me up saying that she was in & called my son a liar so they started bickering with each other on the phone. I ended up ending the conversation & said that the main thing is that my Son is now safe & it isn't achieving anything by arguing on the phone.

So I woke up the next morning to the text. He was intimating that if I do not sort my child out, he will more than likely end up in an abusive relationship with domestic violence. He also said that he will eventually lie & manipulate me as he does his mother & for some reason, he is acting like he doesn’t want to be there. I found this all very upsetting to be honest & I found it very frustrating that he at no point could see that just maybe my son is reacting to his surroundings. Plus, the bit where he said that he is acting like he doesn’t want to be there & that’s because he doesn’t. I know that my son can be a handful at his mum’s & I will never condone bad behavior, but he is as good as gold for me. He has seen his mother lie to him, sell his PS4 games, move a guy in who everyone is saying is on Heroin & crack cocaine. His cat was killed by this guy’s dog & my ex lied about it to him for 2 weeks. She smokes cannabis in front of him then complains that she has no money. She never takes him any where & rarely buys him any clothes. My Son is bound to be feeling very upset & pushed out & that is going to come out in his behavior. I have spoken to school who said that he is a very good, kind & caring student. Anyway, after this text I simply replied with “I shall organize mediation & contact my solicitor”. My ex immediately phoned up begging me not to contact mediation & she would do anything. She also accused me of wanting to take her child away from her & that I am loving all of this. I simply ignored her & said that maybe just maybe she should look at her part in this instead of blaming me as all I am doing is looking out for my son & keeping him safe.

After this I was feeling very shaken up & I contacted Family lives who said I should go for full custody as all of this sounds very upsetting & unhealthy for my son. She also said that she can tell that I am doing this for my son’s welfare & nothing else which I found comforting. I had some more advise from someone who has been in a similar situation who advised me to write up a Parental plan & get my ex to sign it. I did this last week & said that I was only allowing evening visits for my son at her house while this guy is living there & I was also going to stop the payment of utility bills as I needed that money to provide for my son as he is now staying with me 7 nights. I had also contacted Child maintenance service who emailed me with a lovely email confirming that child maintenance should be paid to me & not by me & I should also look into claiming child benefit for the upkeep of my son. I had a meeting with a teacher at my Son’s school who I explained the situation to & that I was now the main contact. I have also been advised to change my son’s GP.

I posted the Parental Plan, the notice that I shall be stopping all maintenance, details of all the utility accounts & the email from Child Maintenance Service. I spoke to my ex yesterday as she had cancelled seeing my son in favor of helping her boyfriend’s family. This type of stuff further upsets my Son, but he said he was glad in a way because he didn’t want to go there. She cancelled on him last week as she said she had nothing in for him which further worried me more. I have still been having reports that drug dealers are visiting the house so it is clear where all the money must be going. My ex pleaded with me yesterday not to take her to court & I said that isn’t going to happen. I just need to keep my son safe & it is better for him to be with me. She said she does understand this & she is not going to resist as she knows he is safe & provided for with me.

Last Sunday my son had an accident & needed stitches in his leg. I phoned his mum to tell her & the first thing she said was “you’re not going to tell the hospital that he isn’t living with me are you”. We were in A & E for 7 hours & she couldn’t come to see him & her excuse was that it was because me & her had been arguing which we hadn’t. We had been discussing things on the phone & I would have gladly picked her up & took her to see him. My Son is noticing all of this & it saddens him. She was more concerned a few weeks ago when her boyfriend was having an op than more about her own son. My son mentioned this to me & it must be so upsetting for a 12 year old.

It is all really sad to be honest & I get a feeling that this guy is taking advantage of my ex’s vulnerability but there’s not much I can do about it. It is a very unhealthy relationship between both of them but she must feel wanted & loved by this guy & cannot see that he is trying to control her. It appears that they are downsizing from a 3 bed to a 2 bed & I fear that this is going to further isolate my ex. Last week I heard that there was arguing & shouting from the house & he was calling her stupid. Just more reason why I need to keep my son away. She promised my son his pocket money that she used to give him & said that she had transferred it to my bank but it never arrived which I didn't think it would. So more indication that she is struggling for money & more lie's to my son & let downs.

I have already treated my Son to a new wardrobe & I shall be doing this each month with the money that I was giving my ex that wasn’t going on my son. I am going to claim child benefit & use this for my son’s school meals & a bit of spending money after school.

Sorry for the rant but I thought I would give an update as everything appears to be going in the right direction. Thank you for all your help, its massively appreciated.

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Gingerkittykat · 07/12/2019 00:42

Only the parent who has residence gets to count the child as living with them for an extra bedroom for social housing.

It is odd the council won't let her downsize to two beds since most areas don't have any 1 beds to let.

Good luck with getting everything formalised legally, it will give you and your son stability knowing exactly what is going on.

Zofloramummy · 07/12/2019 00:43

I’ve just read this thread, she was happy enough with your son living with you right up until it affected her money. If she isn’t working universal credit will be expecting her to get a job ASAP. She shouldn’t get the single person deduction she is living with another adult!!

She wants overnight access for one reason only and that is money. How sad for your son. It sounds like it’s time to arrange mediation (even if she refuses to attend) and get the ball rolling on sole custody. That way she can’t keep demanding increased access every time she needs extra cash.

Zofloramummy · 07/12/2019 00:45

I suspect the council will be looking for one bedroom accommodation or she may not now meet the eligibility criteria at all and have to look at private rental.

malgrat78 · 07/12/2019 01:03

@Gingerkittykat

Only the parent who has residence gets to count the child as living with them for an extra bedroom for social housing.

It is odd the council won't let her downsize to two beds since most areas don't have any 1 beds to let.

Good luck with getting everything formalised legally, it will give you and your son stability knowing exactly what is going on.

To be honest I am not fully sure what the council have said apart from that she hasn't declared important changes which will effect her benefits. She was in a 3 bed new build hoping to downsize to a 2 bed to avoid bedroom tax. She said that they wont allow her to exchange now. I have no idea if this is factual or not.

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malgrat78 · 07/12/2019 01:09

@Zofloramummy

I’ve just read this thread, she was happy enough with your son living with you right up until it affected her money. If she isn’t working universal credit will be expecting her to get a job ASAP. She shouldn’t get the single person deduction she is living with another adult!!

Exactly. She didnt mind my Son coming to mine most nights when he was upset & her boyfriend was around until the early hours when my Son had school the next day. Yeah but I have not told them about him living there so I can only assume someone else has reported her. I am also getting the blame for this.

She wants overnight access for one reason only and that is money. How sad for your son. It sounds like it’s time to arrange mediation (even if she refuses to attend) and get the ball rolling on sole custody. That way she can’t keep demanding increased access every time she needs extra cash.

It does appear this way. She spent a full 30 minutes shouting at me until I mentioned that all this is not helping our son & it now appears that she is more concerned about money & accommodation & not our son's well-being. She didn't answer. I do think mediation & then court action is now the only way. At least the court will decide what is best then. Because at the moment she is making it out as if everything is brilliant at her house & I am just trying to take him away from her.

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Weenurse · 07/12/2019 07:56

Good luck with everything, you are doing a great job.

malgrat78 · 07/12/2019 10:21

@Weenurse

Good luck with everything, you are doing a great job.

Thank you 😊

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Swimtobreathe · 07/12/2019 16:55

Your ex might not be able to move to a two bed property either because they have housing stock to swap to a one bed (which is what a single person or couple would be entitled to) or because of affordability. Her benefits will be lowered in that her housing benefit or rent element (UC) will be that of a single person. So they wouldn't pay the rent on a 2 bed flat for her.

None of this is your problem. If anything it's a godsend. If she has to apply for a one bed there's less chance of your son staying with her in future. The two bed flat she's 'lost' can go to another family who need the space.

None of this is your problem, and none of it is your fault.

sue51 · 07/12/2019 17:43

Her problems are in no way your responsibility. She is treating your son as her cash cow. Dreadful woman.

Fightingmycorner2019 · 07/12/2019 19:39

Well
Done ✅ op
Remember your last thread
You are clearly worried about your ex (rightly so ) but she is a grown adult
So pleased you have a
Path forward Flowers

Kitty2020 · 07/12/2019 20:23

Malgrat78

You have been amazing for your son. I hope that he brings you joy. I hope that he is getting professional emotional help to support him through this and minimise the damage?

But what about you? You don’t need her abuse and psycho-drama.....you have no obligation to engage with her.

She is emotionally draining you. Save your headspace for yourself and to continue to create the calm and peaceful home for you and your son.

Block her and report her if she harasses you.

malgrat78 · 09/12/2019 11:03

@Swimtobreathe

Your ex might not be able to move to a two bed property either because they have housing stock to swap to a one bed (which is what a single person or couple would be entitled to) or because of affordability. Her benefits will be lowered in that her housing benefit or rent element (UC) will be that of a single person. So they wouldn't pay the rent on a 2 bed flat for her.

She phoned me on Friday complaining that she had received a letter from the housing benefit office stating that she is no longer entitled to a 2 bed house. She also said that her child tax credit has been stopped & I think her single person council tax reduction. She said other benefits have also been stopped too. She said it is all my fault because I put a claim in for the child benefit which I reminded her I did because I am entitled to it & it will help with our son. She was rather upset & angry. She said that she was going to contact the housing office & tell them that our son was staying at her house 2 nights per week so that she is entitled to a 2 bed house. I said that if they contact me I will not lie to them.

None of this is your problem. If anything it's a godsend. If she has to apply for a one bed there's less chance of your son staying with her in future. The two bed flat she's 'lost' can go to another family who need the space.

It was actually a new build 2 bed house that she was hoping to move into. It was an exchange from the 3 bed new build that she lives in now. Yeah if she is only allowed a 1 bed flat this would definitely lower the chance of my son staying there which in the current situation would only be a good thing.

None of this is your problem, and none of it is your fault.

Thank you. I have to keep reminding myself of this.

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malgrat78 · 09/12/2019 11:09

@Kitty2020

You have been amazing for your son. I hope that he brings you joy. I hope that he is getting professional emotional help to support him through this and minimise the damage?

Thank you & I love him to bits. I absolutely love taking care for him & having him around. Apparently his mum told everyone that he is a bad kid & is constantly naughty. Well he is good as gold for me & school has no concerns. I think how she treated him probably brought out the bad in him. However, I will not condone bad behaviour but something was making him rebel in such a way with his mum. I am making an appointment with my GP to have a word about some counselling for him.

But what about you? You don’t need her abuse and psycho-drama.....you have no obligation to engage with her.

She is emotionally draining you. Save your headspace for yourself and to continue to create the calm and peaceful home for you and your son.

Block her and report her if she harasses you.

No I do not need it & I am now declining to get into any debates with her. I have explained that if she wants anything to change with regards to our son then she will have to see a solicitor.

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sazzle27 · 10/03/2020 12:35

Just a quick check in @malgrat78 to see how the two of you are faring so far in 2020?
Read both your threads when originally posted and you are an incredible dad!

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