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Is this coercive control/emotional abuse or am I mad?

63 replies

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 10:17

Sorry this is gonna be long!!! Feeling a bit shaky typing as he’s downstairs!

DP and I have been together 5 years. We have 2 very young DC and I have 3 from previous marriage. I left ex h for him so partly feel a lot of this is my comeuppance...

We’ve always argued a lot. Ex and I never really argued. He argued all the time with his ex and she also accused him of emotional abuse and controlling.

We’re from very different backgrounds and I’ve always put it down to that. He would criticise me for a lot of things I thought were normal to the point I stopped doing then. Talking about exes, drinking wine in the evening, going on mumsnet discussing our relationship with a bunch of strangers, not wearing a bra, wearing pyjamas in bed are some examples.

We live in the countryside. I used to live in a city when we met but he couldn’t cope with city life as had always lived rurally and I’ve always wanted to live in the country so was fine with it. He doesn’t really get on with neighbours either though so we are quite isolated.

He’s also quite ‘off’ with my family and even his own mother as she’s questioned his unreasonable behaviour towards me on one visit.

I find I walk on eggshells constantly, am scared of causing rows so become sneaky, constantly second guess what he’s going to say in my head at the slightest thing ie spending too long in the shower, on my phone, at the shops. He has a knack of criticising something so next time I do it I remember the criticism and make excuses for what/why I’m doing something completely normal. Example put puppy on my knee for a cuddle and he started nagging about how gross it is as she runs around and might have Poo on her paws so now I feel guilty when I do it.

Another example. Was sitting on the back doorstep in a dress. He told me ‘Don’t flash your pants for the world to see’ our neighbours were out, we’re not overlooked and our neighbour would have to hoist himself on the fence to see anyway!

In the house tells me to ‘Put a bra on’ when I explain myself accuses me of being hyper defensive.

Sex is a constant and biggest problem. The other night before sleep ‘jokes’ he needs to get it from somewhere despite sex the day before and the day before that. Apparently second one didn’t count though as was a quickie. He’s constantly moody about not getting enough (we have it average twice a week) and have two very young DC and three older ones! I’m run ragged!

I get up every morning with one year old. When I ask whether he thinks it’s fair re getting up in the morning has a go at me for being passive aggressive and childish in the way I said it and then sulks for a few hours.

He says I fall asleep really easily, even after an argument which makes it seem like I don’t care. I now feel guilty for falling asleep easily.

He’s always been very argumentative. We got a lovely new bath and both got in one evening. I said it would be nice with a glass of champagne and candles. He started a massive rant about how it tastes like cat piss and no one likes it bla bla. Basically because ex and I used to drink it. I got out the bath and he accused me of trying to start an argument by doing this.

I don’t like having sex with him when we’ve been arguing as I can’t get in the mood. I then find I do it just to appease him as he’s in a much better mood afterwards.

He accused me of being emotionally abusive and gaslighting him and goes into some massive rant if I say his behaviour is emotionally abuisve and gaslighting because I’ve pulled him up for playing computer games for hours in the evenings.

He always cracking ‘jokes’ about how moody and cold I am.

Am I massively overreacting? I feel like I’m going mad and as soon as he starts being nice again it all melts away.

The problem is I can’t cope practically on my own with all the DC. He pays for a lot, helps out a lot practically and does/has done all the work on the house I bought.

OP posts:
Dhalandchips · 10/11/2019 10:20

He's a twat. Are you in a position to leave?

heneverkeepshisword · 10/11/2019 10:22

Is there anything good about him? Hmm

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 10/11/2019 10:23

You're not over reacting.

You moved because of him
He's isolating you
He turns arguments around to blame you for his own actions
He's controlling
He's abusive - he's coercing you into sex you don't want (this is just one example from your post)

Walking on eggshells shows you that he's grinding down your confidence, making you feel like nothing you do is right.
You should be able to be yourself in your own home.

Get out before this gets worse. I know you say you can't handle all dc on your own - can you move to somewhere with family / support nearby? Because your children are watching this and learning what to expect from relationships.

SummerWhisper · 10/11/2019 10:24

If it's your house, kick him out. You will be emotionally free and more able to cope with the children.

Heffapotamus · 10/11/2019 10:25

You are not going mad my lovely. Google "domestic abuse" and take one of the risk questionnaires. Some types of abuse are very very hard to see if you're in the middle of it because it "messes with your head".

Try Women's Aid for help - or even the Police. They won't necessarily press charges but they can get you help.

And please don't worry about not coping. With the right support, you really really would. Abuse strips you of all your confidence so you think you're useless.

Take care - and find support - your GP could help too. There is a way through this x

namechange4052 · 10/11/2019 10:26

He sounds horrendous, and the epitome of an emotionally abusive little man. He's breaking you down piece by piece and however impractical it may be to leave him, you and your children will be much happier without him.

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 10:28

Thanks all. His dad was incredibly controlling and a bit of a monster. I don’t know if DP does it on purpose or it’s just learnt behaviour.

He never puts me down for my looks and has never been violent and is never financially abusive that I know of... This makes it harder for me to put my finger on what’s wrong.

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category12 · 10/11/2019 10:28

Emotionally abusive.

ohwhattodowithmylife · 10/11/2019 10:29

This is an abusive relationship and you know that. Well done - took me years to figure out my marriage was!!
Now you need to plan to get out. Get advice from Women's aid or search for lovely domestic abuse advisors in your area (council should put you in the right direction) mine has been amazing.

Lozzerbmc · 10/11/2019 10:31

This is an unhealthy relationship- relationships are meant to be an equal partnership arent they? You should not feel uncomfortable about what you do in your own home!

Read your post back imagining it written to you by a dearest friend of yours and then what would you think?

This will just get worse and you will be ground down more and more until you think you are worthless and deserve it. Your DCs will grow up thinking this is what relationships are like - boys will think this is how you treat girls and girls will find someone to treat them like this as this is what they know. I dont mean to sound harsh, this is a horrible situation for you and you shouldn’t have to live like this.

Can you plan to leave? Do you work? Whats the house situation do you own or rent? I do hope you can move on and find real happiness.

12345kbm · 10/11/2019 10:35

Yes you're in an abusive relationship. I'm sorry as it's not a nice thing to realise. He's isolated you and he's controlling you. He's following the abuser's text book. With abuse, you can be sure that it will get worse so your only option is to find a safe way to exit the relationship. Please contact Women's Aid to get further advice on this.

Lozzerbmc · 10/11/2019 10:35

His dad was incredibly controlling and a bit of a monster. I don’t know if DP does it on purpose or it’s just learnt behaviour

Exactly ... you want your DCs to think thats how it should be - emotional abuse.

Is it your house? Hope so he can then get lost

Techway · 10/11/2019 10:36

How is the house owned? I assume you don't work?

Sometimes the labels are not necessary as you have to rely on how you feel. Are you less happy, less confident than before? He certainly seems to air you walk on eggshells.

Did you have an affair? Not looking to blame just understand if you have been single. If not then you may need to deal with the feelings of being scared of being alone.
How are the older children coping? If there are lots if arguments or atmosphere then separating would be best.

Re finances, there is always a solution, with 5 dc you would be entitled to benefits plus CMS from both dads. In a few years you should be able to go back to work.

babbi · 10/11/2019 10:41

As others said he is definitely emotionally abusive .
Never again think that this is your “comeuppance “ YOU are in NO WAY to blame for how he treats you .
Get out ASAP ... tell your family that you need help .. Dont be afraid of doing so - they’ll be glad to help .

You will absolutely cope ... you’ve coped with living with a dreadful man - you can do anything from here in .
Good luck my lovely and come back here anytime you need anything xx

Nanny0gg · 10/11/2019 10:44

He's a pig.

That's what's wrong.

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 10:44

Thanks all. I own the house but he has done all the work on it so says he wants 30% of profit from sale.

I’m a sahm. Our three year old is being assessed for adhd.

We did go to counselling, not relate, and the therapist said that DP was ‘forceful’. It made things better for a while.

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Echobelly · 10/11/2019 10:44

It doesn't really matter why he's doing it, just that he is doing it.

I agree you should talk to your family and it sounds like they will help you get out. As others have said this is not your fault or comeuppance.

Jubilation · 10/11/2019 10:48

This sounds like a nightmare and with all you have going on, I'm not surprised you find it easy to fall asleep! I too left a good man for my ex who I came to believe was a sociopath. I felt like it was my comeuppance too. He was very argumentative and critical. He'd fallen out with his family, left numerous jobs, couldn't work in a job where he had direct dealings with a boss and tried very hard to split me from my family. He had no friends although he could socialise in a pub. Sound familiar? I had two children with him and although we had happy times where he would make me laugh and I did love him for a long time, for the sake of my children, I spent too long treading on eggshells, anticipating the next argument and its effects on us as a family. As my main focus was to ensure my children were happy, once they were a certain age, the effects and accumulative stress of all the above took its toll on my mental health and I couldn't carry on. I worried about the future and mustered enough strength to leave him. You're in a really tough position, especially as you say he does support you in some ways. Carrying on with his unreasonable behaviour will be exhausting. Do people like this ever change? I fear they're so damaged it would take immense willpower and counseling of some sort to do that. So, my question is, how long are you prepared to live like this? Can you keep sane while doing so? Would he respond positively to you if you shared how he makes you feel? Do you own the house you're in? How would you feel about getting him to leave? Do you have anyone who could support you in this? You're tired with your young children now and probably aren't feeling very strong but this behaviour is going to wear you down even further if he doesn't change or you don't find a way to be on your own. If you have anyone, friends, family, who can support you, ask them. I'm sure other MNetters will have practical suggestions regarding this.

12345kbm · 10/11/2019 10:49

Get legal advice regarding the house. CABx can give you a list of appropriate solicitors or Rights of Women. See what's available in your area here regarding DV organisations: www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-abuse-directory/ and get some advice regarding how to move forward from here. Don't tell him of any plans you have to leave and dial 999 if you feel as though you are in danger.

letsdolunch321 · 10/11/2019 10:53

The emotional abuse will only get worse.

Follow what other posters have advised Woman's Aid etc

Jubilation · 10/11/2019 10:53

I see you own the house. You also have 5 children. He has no right to 'demand' 30% just because he has done things to the house. I'm sure any legal advice would be in your favour especially in light of your responsibility towards your children.

TimeForNewStart · 10/11/2019 10:58

It doesn’t mater if his behaviour reaches an ‘official’ definition (though actually I would say it does, easily), what matters is that he is making you unhappy, and his behaviour is so entrenched it will not change. The only solution is to split up.

You are very lucky that you own the house. Get some legal advice and make a move. This won’t get better until you get him out!

Cherrysoup · 10/11/2019 11:04

Get legal advice. He sounds horrific. Walking on eggshells the whole time? Sounds appalling, it’s no way to live, is it? He’s clearly jealous of your ex and insecure. You should not have to live to his ridiculous demands.

Oldbutstillgotit · 10/11/2019 11:09

How many women say “ oh but he is never violent “ as if that makes it impossible for him to be abusive ? My dear , he IS abusive . He is isolating you , manipulating you , gaslighting you etc and it will only get worse . Please take legal advice , turn to family and friends and get rid of him. My DD had a P who did all these things and more but with support from the Police , Women’s Aid and her loving family and friends she got free and is now happy and successful. Take care 💐

limpbizkit · 10/11/2019 11:10

I'm not sure whether it's abusive. Abuse relationships do tend to get over diagnosed on mumsnet. But it's unhealthy and he doesn't sound very pleasant to be honest. He is unlikely to change. He's got no reason to. Can you tell him you're becoming unhappy and see if he will be willing to sit down and talk about separating? He'll have to pay maintenance for his children so you're not going to be completely financially on your own with the kids. Staying in an unhappy relationship with a partner that's not loving and kind isn't going to work in the long term and will likely affect your children. Good luck