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Is this coercive control/emotional abuse or am I mad?

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Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 10:17

Sorry this is gonna be long!!! Feeling a bit shaky typing as he’s downstairs!

DP and I have been together 5 years. We have 2 very young DC and I have 3 from previous marriage. I left ex h for him so partly feel a lot of this is my comeuppance...

We’ve always argued a lot. Ex and I never really argued. He argued all the time with his ex and she also accused him of emotional abuse and controlling.

We’re from very different backgrounds and I’ve always put it down to that. He would criticise me for a lot of things I thought were normal to the point I stopped doing then. Talking about exes, drinking wine in the evening, going on mumsnet discussing our relationship with a bunch of strangers, not wearing a bra, wearing pyjamas in bed are some examples.

We live in the countryside. I used to live in a city when we met but he couldn’t cope with city life as had always lived rurally and I’ve always wanted to live in the country so was fine with it. He doesn’t really get on with neighbours either though so we are quite isolated.

He’s also quite ‘off’ with my family and even his own mother as she’s questioned his unreasonable behaviour towards me on one visit.

I find I walk on eggshells constantly, am scared of causing rows so become sneaky, constantly second guess what he’s going to say in my head at the slightest thing ie spending too long in the shower, on my phone, at the shops. He has a knack of criticising something so next time I do it I remember the criticism and make excuses for what/why I’m doing something completely normal. Example put puppy on my knee for a cuddle and he started nagging about how gross it is as she runs around and might have Poo on her paws so now I feel guilty when I do it.

Another example. Was sitting on the back doorstep in a dress. He told me ‘Don’t flash your pants for the world to see’ our neighbours were out, we’re not overlooked and our neighbour would have to hoist himself on the fence to see anyway!

In the house tells me to ‘Put a bra on’ when I explain myself accuses me of being hyper defensive.

Sex is a constant and biggest problem. The other night before sleep ‘jokes’ he needs to get it from somewhere despite sex the day before and the day before that. Apparently second one didn’t count though as was a quickie. He’s constantly moody about not getting enough (we have it average twice a week) and have two very young DC and three older ones! I’m run ragged!

I get up every morning with one year old. When I ask whether he thinks it’s fair re getting up in the morning has a go at me for being passive aggressive and childish in the way I said it and then sulks for a few hours.

He says I fall asleep really easily, even after an argument which makes it seem like I don’t care. I now feel guilty for falling asleep easily.

He’s always been very argumentative. We got a lovely new bath and both got in one evening. I said it would be nice with a glass of champagne and candles. He started a massive rant about how it tastes like cat piss and no one likes it bla bla. Basically because ex and I used to drink it. I got out the bath and he accused me of trying to start an argument by doing this.

I don’t like having sex with him when we’ve been arguing as I can’t get in the mood. I then find I do it just to appease him as he’s in a much better mood afterwards.

He accused me of being emotionally abusive and gaslighting him and goes into some massive rant if I say his behaviour is emotionally abuisve and gaslighting because I’ve pulled him up for playing computer games for hours in the evenings.

He always cracking ‘jokes’ about how moody and cold I am.

Am I massively overreacting? I feel like I’m going mad and as soon as he starts being nice again it all melts away.

The problem is I can’t cope practically on my own with all the DC. He pays for a lot, helps out a lot practically and does/has done all the work on the house I bought.

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Betterversionofme · 10/11/2019 11:26

He behaves bad but I even think that more important is not how he behaves but how it makes you feel. If it makes you feel bad it's wrong.
Judge will always make sure that children are accommodated. All decisions are done for children's best interest. You are SAHM. Kids will be with you. He might get his third after youngest child grows up. Get legal advice.

MitziK · 10/11/2019 11:32

Never puts you down for your looks, but demands access to your body through not being allowed to wear pyjamas, gets angry if you don't wear a bra and accuses you of flashing your knickers to (non existent) neighbours if you wear a dress (something that is evidently in his mind, purely for his penile convenience)?

That's pretty abusive about your looks, isn't it?

Get the cunt out. You'll be fine without him.

BrassTactical · 10/11/2019 11:57

It’s your house, he doesn’t own 30% for some work on it. Kick him out he’s abusive. You will cope.

Techway · 10/11/2019 11:57

How has he determined 30% equity? This is a short relationship and as you are not married he won't have a strong case especially if he can't prove he has contributed. I assume he has had the benefit of a house to live in.

Living with someone who is argumentative and is easily slighted is very draining and will impact your mental health and physical health.

It will only get worse and joint counselling is never going to fix this and never recommended.

Please read The verbally abusive relationship by Patricia Evans or Lundy "why does he do that" as will help you understand this isn't about communication, it is about his power over you. It gives him pleasure to know he can suggest something or demand it and you comply.
Once you "get" that he doesn't want a mutually beneficial or equal relationship then it all falls into place. It is very hard for a rational person to understand this which is why the books are so useful.

Do you have family support?

DeeCeeCherry · 10/11/2019 12:01

Emotionally abusive bore not worth wasting your one life on. Home is hardly a haven if he's in it fucking up your vibe is it?

userxx · 10/11/2019 12:06

This sounds a horrible way to live.

romany4 · 10/11/2019 12:17

I own the house but he has done all the work on it so says he wants 30% of profit from sale

He can want all he likes. You're not married
He sounds awful. You're walking on eggshells all the time. Get rid of him!
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HuloBeraal · 10/11/2019 12:34

You walk on eggshells (and I bet the kids do too). He argues. He gaslights. He picks on you. He’s isolated you from friends and family. Even his own mother doesn’t like him.
I am struggling to work out what is NOT abusive about him

Lilmissmissy · 10/11/2019 15:37

So unhealthy, no one should ever feel like they are walking on egg shells.
I had that life once upon a time and got out of it and trust me the minute you leave you will not look back.
Leave.

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 18:36

So today’s been ok, he’s been working so nice to spend time without him.

He came In and fell asleep on the sofa for an hour. He cooks for me and him on a Sunday so I thought I’d be helpful and prep the food as he was asleep.

He woke up and came into the kitchen demanding to know why I’d got it on so soon and said I could ‘eat mine with the kids if I wanted but he’d have his later...’ This was passive aggressive as he knows full well I don’t want to eat with the kids this eve. I explained I was trying to be helpful and he said he wished I’d woken him up so he could have done it ‘properly’, the whole time with a look of thunder on his face.

I asked if he was for real and because I raised my voice in disbelief while explaining myself he said I was ranting and haveing a go at him, shook his head and stormed off.

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Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 18:37

Surely most normal people would say thanks and oh it’s a bit too early I’ll put it on in a while or something along those lines?

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Monr0e · 10/11/2019 19:12

He's a massive prick.

How old are your older 3 dc's? Do they also live with you? How does he treat them? Because he treats you abysmally.

Shoxfordian · 10/11/2019 19:17

Make a decision that its not ok for him to treat you like this and end it with him

CodenameVillanelle · 10/11/2019 19:24

@limpbizkit of course it's abusive. It's textbook.

OP you need to work out a way to remove him from your house. He's very abusive.

CantstandmLMs · 10/11/2019 19:25

He sounds awful. I could not live like this. You deserve more and would be happier on your own.

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 19:33

So he’s now apologised for ‘waking up grumpy’ 🤨..

The weird thing is I’m a strong woman, I’m confident, intelligent and not one to take shit. Maybe this scares him?

The thought of being a single parent to five DC and more than likely on benefits scares me.

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AnotherEmma · 10/11/2019 19:41

Textbook abuse. Emotional and sexual.
Read Lundy Bancroft ('Why does he do that?') and look up the Freedom Programme.
Get real life support - talk to your GP, close family and/or friends (the ones most likely to understand and be supportive), call Women's Aid (national helpline and/or local branch).

If you're not married and the house is in your name, he doesn't have a strong claim to the house (although if he's spent money on it he may well try for 'beneficial interest'). This does simplify things somewhat because he will have to move out. Of course he will only be obligated to pay child maintenance (nothing more as unmarried) so the question is whether you will be able to afford to stay in the house. It would probably be helpful to visit or contact your local Citizens Advice to discuss your situation and the benefits you would be entitled to.

Do you have any savings in your own name? Would you consider looking for a job?

Alicenwonderland · 10/11/2019 19:41

I was a strong, intelligent woman. They prefer this as they enjoy the fight and battle. It does wear you down though over time, for me it was 8 years. It gets worse as they wear you down and you slowly loose control. I used to describe our relationship like a tug of war, every fight left me holding less and less of the rope until I was left helpless. Once we split he got worse, I feel so cross at all the years I made excuses for him and gave him chance after chance.

Techway · 10/11/2019 21:48

The weird thing is I’m a strong woman, I’m confident, intelligent and not one to take shit

Yep, very common for abusive men to take down strong women, not sure why, maybe the challenge or greater sense of achievement or your strengths become something they hate. I agree about the behaviour being worse once you split. They cannot cope with the thought you will survive or thrive away from them.

Op, it always feels impossible to separate but you will find a way to make it through. If you are a strong woman you can rebuild.

I left too late and ended up with health issues as adrenalin overload from fight or flight harms you. I really thought I was coping but the body keeps the score. I am not unique and post trauma health issues are very common.

@Alicenwonderland, great description. You will always lose against an abusive partner as they will sink to levels that a normal person just wouldn't do.

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 22:07

Have just bought the book on amazon, arriving tomorrow.

Scared to think it could get worse once we split. He is awful to his ex.

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Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 22:09

I’d want to be and give him what he’s owed for his work on the house but obviously he’d have to wait u til the house was sold.

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Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 22:10

I’d want to be fair and give him what’s he’s owed for his work on the house.

It’s always been a thing whe. I’ve tried to finish with him in the pat in have nowhere to go’ ‘you don’t care’ ‘you owe me’

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Louise91417 · 10/11/2019 22:16

Emm..get rid...the 30% can be your payment for putting up with the bullying prickWink

Sohololopopo · 10/11/2019 22:18

Have you ever just told him to fuck right off?

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 22:20

Have you ever just told him to fuck right off?

A million times

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