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Is this coercive control/emotional abuse or am I mad?

63 replies

Tksiehdbdv · 10/11/2019 10:17

Sorry this is gonna be long!!! Feeling a bit shaky typing as he’s downstairs!

DP and I have been together 5 years. We have 2 very young DC and I have 3 from previous marriage. I left ex h for him so partly feel a lot of this is my comeuppance...

We’ve always argued a lot. Ex and I never really argued. He argued all the time with his ex and she also accused him of emotional abuse and controlling.

We’re from very different backgrounds and I’ve always put it down to that. He would criticise me for a lot of things I thought were normal to the point I stopped doing then. Talking about exes, drinking wine in the evening, going on mumsnet discussing our relationship with a bunch of strangers, not wearing a bra, wearing pyjamas in bed are some examples.

We live in the countryside. I used to live in a city when we met but he couldn’t cope with city life as had always lived rurally and I’ve always wanted to live in the country so was fine with it. He doesn’t really get on with neighbours either though so we are quite isolated.

He’s also quite ‘off’ with my family and even his own mother as she’s questioned his unreasonable behaviour towards me on one visit.

I find I walk on eggshells constantly, am scared of causing rows so become sneaky, constantly second guess what he’s going to say in my head at the slightest thing ie spending too long in the shower, on my phone, at the shops. He has a knack of criticising something so next time I do it I remember the criticism and make excuses for what/why I’m doing something completely normal. Example put puppy on my knee for a cuddle and he started nagging about how gross it is as she runs around and might have Poo on her paws so now I feel guilty when I do it.

Another example. Was sitting on the back doorstep in a dress. He told me ‘Don’t flash your pants for the world to see’ our neighbours were out, we’re not overlooked and our neighbour would have to hoist himself on the fence to see anyway!

In the house tells me to ‘Put a bra on’ when I explain myself accuses me of being hyper defensive.

Sex is a constant and biggest problem. The other night before sleep ‘jokes’ he needs to get it from somewhere despite sex the day before and the day before that. Apparently second one didn’t count though as was a quickie. He’s constantly moody about not getting enough (we have it average twice a week) and have two very young DC and three older ones! I’m run ragged!

I get up every morning with one year old. When I ask whether he thinks it’s fair re getting up in the morning has a go at me for being passive aggressive and childish in the way I said it and then sulks for a few hours.

He says I fall asleep really easily, even after an argument which makes it seem like I don’t care. I now feel guilty for falling asleep easily.

He’s always been very argumentative. We got a lovely new bath and both got in one evening. I said it would be nice with a glass of champagne and candles. He started a massive rant about how it tastes like cat piss and no one likes it bla bla. Basically because ex and I used to drink it. I got out the bath and he accused me of trying to start an argument by doing this.

I don’t like having sex with him when we’ve been arguing as I can’t get in the mood. I then find I do it just to appease him as he’s in a much better mood afterwards.

He accused me of being emotionally abusive and gaslighting him and goes into some massive rant if I say his behaviour is emotionally abuisve and gaslighting because I’ve pulled him up for playing computer games for hours in the evenings.

He always cracking ‘jokes’ about how moody and cold I am.

Am I massively overreacting? I feel like I’m going mad and as soon as he starts being nice again it all melts away.

The problem is I can’t cope practically on my own with all the DC. He pays for a lot, helps out a lot practically and does/has done all the work on the house I bought.

OP posts:
5LeafClover · 10/11/2019 22:23

You will always lose against an abusive partner as they will sink to levels that a normal person just wouldn't do.

This is so true.... make sure that you don't let him bully you into defining "fair" to mean what he has decided.

Also, refusing to allow you to end the relationship is another red flag for abusive.

Good luck OP . Stay safe Flowers

Haffiana · 10/11/2019 22:27

I’d want to be fair and give him what’s he’s owed for his work on the house.

He worked on the house that was housing him and his children.

You have 5 children to consider, 3 of which are not his. Do NOT give their financial security away simply because your head has been messed about.

See a good solicitor - there will be a straightforward way of calculating who is owed what. Your sense of fairness needs to be considered faulty, just as your sense of what is a normal relationship has been faulty.

Techway · 10/11/2019 23:26

He is awful to his ex

Forewarned is forearmed.

Get advice from women's aid on how best to exit as these men are often erratic. Does he have a responsible job? Mine did and that stopped him being physical as he knew I would call the police.
I stayed way too long but each time the cycle of nice vs nasty got shorter. Looking back he ruined every family celebration in the last few years so I don't have many happy memories.

I stayed because I struggled to relate to his behaviour, it made no sense to me why someone would act like this so I thought it was fixable. The lightbulb moment came when I learnt he was about power and not mutual benefit.

It really isn't you or how you act. He will do this to any woman once he has her in a position of vulnerability.

Let me guess, he adored you and was Mr Charming/your soulmate until you were committed??

lakeswimmer · 10/11/2019 23:36

He's an abusive tosser.

A big red flag must surely be that you're modifying your behaviour around him because you anticipate trouble if you don't. If you can't be yourself in your own home where can you be? It's wrong. Living with him sounds exhausting.

Lozzerbmc · 10/11/2019 23:57

He’s not owed anything for the house - he’s just made it better for his DCs. You’ll need everything you can for your DCs. You need to put yourself first and do whats best for you and them not HIM

RamblinRosie · 11/11/2019 00:33

This ^^

You owe him nothing!

Happyspud · 11/11/2019 00:37

He is a serious danger to your happiness and the happiness of your children. I can’t say it straighter than that.

AgentJohnson · 11/11/2019 05:59

The thought of being a single parent to five DC and more than likely on benefits scares me.

Not a good enough reason to expose your children to this abuse and toxicity. You know exactly what to do but you don’t because leaving your H for this abusive prick is embarrassing, another bad reason for staying.

Alicenwonderland · 11/11/2019 11:56

Don't be scared that it would get worse when you split, get smart! Contact women's aid, strengthen your support network. Keep a diary of what's happening and get a solicitor. Once you are separated contact via message so you have a record if he's nasty to you. It seems scary I know but you'll just get stronger and more in control xx

Innishh · 11/11/2019 12:39

Why is it only your home and he has nowhere to go? that puts him into the “cocklodger” category.

And his 30% figure I doubt is anywhere near “fair” - his types don’t do fair only personal gain and exploitation - so add financial abuse to the list.

You are in a strong position because you are not married and he is not on the house. But he is a dangerous manipulative man - so seek support from family, friends and professionals to prepare failsafe exit plan before you confront him.

I know you said that he was bad to his ex - but you know this now and part of your plan with family, friends and professionals is to preempt and defend against these tactics.

Staying with these types only gets worse - you can look back yourself and see the trajectory.

Most important is that all of your DCs are being subjected to DV. Even if they don’t see or hear all of it - they sense it. They can feel your tension as you walk on eggshells - they will see your shift of mood when you hear his key in the door. They will smell your fear. They will internalise it and be confused, scared and anxious. They will be emotionally injured being brought up in this hostile, abusive environment - look what it did to your DP - what are his siblings like?

Also all of your finite emotional energy is being drained by this man - he is preoccupying your head space to bursting. You can’t be in too emotional spaces at once - so being in this toxic negative place with him means it is not possible for you to be emotionally positively available and attuned to your babies and the rest of your 5 children. They will be emotionally neglected if you stay with this man.

Put them first if you can’t put yourself first. Prioritise a calm, peaceful, attentive and loving home environment for them to thrive in. They don’t have that now. Good luck OP - find the focus to give your DC this gift.

crystalize · 11/11/2019 13:56

That really touched me Innish how the children absorb all that negative energy.

Really OP I hope you let all this advice from these wise mumsnetters sink in.

He is appalling. Don't even consider giving the prick a penny.. find your anger.!!!! How fucking DARE he treat you like this!

Zaphodsotherhead · 11/11/2019 14:49

I was a single mum to five. They were aged between 3-10 when I split up with their dad. You can do it, honestly.

AskMeHow · 11/11/2019 14:50

I'm glad you're thinking about life after your DP.

I’d want to be and give him what he’s owed for his work on the house but obviously he’d have to wait u til the house was sold

Your owe him fuck all. Don't you dare give away your children's future security to a bully of a man. Do not even think about offering to sell the house. If he wants 30% now and sees you giving way next he'll bully you into 40%... 50%. He gets nothing. Let him take you to court.

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