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Kind husband , but troubles are huge .

108 replies

Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 22:30

Have been married 30 years . When we met I was attracted to him as he was kind , loyal and adventurous . We travelled a lot together and had good careers , then became parents . We had got used to being just us and some deepish issues arose .
For example , I didn’t realise that once I had dc I wanted to be a stay at home mum . He resented this . He wanted an ‘ equal ‘ partnering terms of work outside the home , and wanted to each work part time and did not want to be the bread winner . On my part , having been brought up by relatives not my parents , I didn’t realise until after I had our first dc that I would feel I strongly wanted to stay at home . We went to counselling and appeared to sort things . I was still at the tail end of breastfeeding dc 1 and got pregnant with dc two. Dh did not tell me at the time , but he felt upset and angry because he felt “ totally fucked “ and would still have to be the breadwinner as we would have a toddler and a baby . He became withdrawn , quiet and I sensed anger but he said things were fine when asked . He , years later told me that he was in fact depressed at this prospect and felt angry and helpless but couldn’t tell “ a pregnant woman that “ .
So on we go .. after dc2 was born I stayed at home and he got promoted .
He said , again retrospectively , that he felt very apart from me at this time . He looked at a porn mag and I must admit I was so upset . I know a lot of people would say this is fine but as a mother with two tiny dc I felt humiliated . I have ( this so difficult to say ) a history of being sexually abused by a family member which made me feel a female used as an object and the porn use left me feeling that my dh used another female for gratification on a similar continuum .
I know my feelings may not be ‘ normal ‘. I said that I couldn’t cope with it .. it was k bottom line . He said he used it was he felt away from me .- which I utterly don’t understand .
I said of course he had the choice to use it but it wasn’t ok with me , bottom line . He said he decided not to use it again . I said if he did wish to then tell me but I had to be honest that it would be the end for me if he did .
A couple of years later I find a mag ( just a normal one ,) with a pic of a bare breasted woman in - my magazine in fact . .. some tissues next to it above the loo. Open and left there .
I know it wasn’t porn but I felt lied to as it felt similar .
It has affected my trust in him
.
I feel I should in some ways have left him
But I didn’t as two small dc and no job .
It’s harmed our relationship as I feel so fragile about it and that he would risk our relationship for that - I tried and tried to rationalise it and we also had counselling .
Since then it’s like the elephant in the room in our relationship . He says he genuinely didn’t consider it as porn .
I feel so terrible because the effects of the abuse is probably affecting and distorting something that other women would not see as a problem . Yes , we and I had counselling . It feels like a wound still . He has withdrawn as he used to and seems to have lost confidence . We have tried and tried . He says he loves me and wants us to be happy yet he won’t cuddle me or anything as he feels anxious now .
We are like flat mates.
I know we are both decent people who used to have fun and share things . We both feel sad .
We don’t know wether to split up or to try , somehow to improve things . We are not going to counselling again .

OP posts:
Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 23:43

Also joe
This I know is odd but due to the abuse I feel I having missing bits of understanding due to trauma
When you say a “ need “ what do you mean
And why can that be met by a non human magazine . He says sex and love are intertwined but he cannot love the mag !

OP posts:
VenusTiger · 17/10/2019 23:44

We had got used to being just us and some deepish issues arose

He feels left out.

You need more counselling OP on how to separate what happened to you when you were younger which was wrong vs what your husband offers you in your relationship, as love and intimacy.

I think your DH is being quite patient actually and he’s kind of walking on egg shells now so it’s a catch 22 situation.

Porn and masturbation (certainly the latter) are healthy and normal. He left the mag on the loo for you to find as he wants to be open about it.

Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 23:44

I would like it to improve
If am honest
Know that would involve sex and that terrifies me
So if am honest I’d like to stay and it improve but avoid sex .

OP posts:
Coyoacan · 17/10/2019 23:48

It sounds like your husband is the one who needs some counselling here, whatever the outcome of your marriage. So many men do not know how to express their feelings.

I do hope you can both sort this problem as you sound like an otherwise nice couple.

bionicnemonic · 17/10/2019 23:48

Do you want to have sex with him? You mention he would like to but lacks confidence (scared of being wrong perhaps).
If you would like sex could you be brave and try to both be ‘someone different’ it sounds like you have roles and expectations of behaviours. Could you behave differently if you were perhaps in a different environment? A weekend away? Fine wines? New clothes? If YOU would like sex could you seduce him? Play acting? Break some of the barriers that may be holding you apart.

Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 23:48

Venus
I really tried to talk about it when we had counselling
The councillor told me that sexual energy can be good
Before this happened I believed that ie wen he t was directed towards me as an adult woman but after I felt he objectified a woman by using porn It changed for me somehow

OP posts:
bionicnemonic · 17/10/2019 23:49

Sorry-cross post with uours

Summer8900 · 17/10/2019 23:49

Please find a therapist for yourself first to try to deal with your trauma. So sorry for this to has happened to you.
On the other hand, I have been married for 18 years and came to realize that you can't expect some crazy love highs all the time. That's not normal.
Please watch Alan de Botton on Love - YouTube. Our ideas of marriage are rather distorted.
I hope things improve for you x

VenusTiger · 17/10/2019 23:50

OP, another thing you mention, about his lack of confidence, I think he’s terrified of hurting you (mentally) because of how you’re associating sex with him with your past. He’s actually terrified of sex with you now.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with confidence.

He has to, for his health, if not just pure hormonal need, have sex/masturbate OP. He’s human. He’s not run off with OW.

Can you salvage this?

On a side, I’m sorry to hear about your abuse. I hope you can (both) try and leave it in the past and start living your lives again, with sex, love and intimacy thrown in.

Ahundredpercentthatbitch · 17/10/2019 23:51

I’m not sure I agree with a PP that porn is natural and healthy. I agree with your views on porn OP.

But if the context is not abusive then it is perfectly normal to feel aroused by looking at attractive naked adults. I think you know your reaction to this is disproportionate and it reads like your DH feels like he can’t do right for doing wrong and has completely shut down that side of himself. Which I also think is a bit passive aggressive of him by the way.

I think this starts with you though. You seem to have been ‘punishing’ an awful many years by making him feel guilty for doing something that was perfectly normal, and besides, something he was totally entitled to do in private.

What’s your plan. What do you want to do?

Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 23:52

Today 23:48 Coyoacan I have always thought he did as he closed down

  • avoids things .
He really loves me and I honestly think he struggles to cope with the sadness between us As for the sex question For physical yes I would but the ‘ love ‘ aspect of Sex , I now dnot buy . Got early start . Got to go just now . But thanks so much all for now .
OP posts:
minmooch · 17/10/2019 23:53

Are you saying you haven't had sex for 20 years?

Ursula555 · 17/10/2019 23:55

Thank you for last three replies .- a couple of things really resonate with me . If I start taking now will be up for hours .. so I will sign off for tonight and appreciate replies . Will return tomorrow .

OP posts:
VenusTiger · 17/10/2019 23:57

@Ahundredpercentthatbitch yes, I did mean to say sex/masturbation/the act of ejaculating which is crucial for men’s health.

Re. masturbation though, I think most of us can agree that some of us need psychical pictures/videos in order to become aroused whereas some of just need our imagination. That’s what I meant by porn being normal. It just is to some.

VenusTiger · 18/10/2019 00:00

*physical - stupid autocorrect

Sadiesnakes · 18/10/2019 03:28

I'm totally antiporn, it's disgusting, ruins relationships, family's, and the women's and girls lives who are forced to make it.

But humans in general need to masturbate, especially when no sex is happening. It would be impossible and especially unreasonable to expect him not to masturbate. And as far as using a prop, a picture in a magazine is really really tame compared to what a lot of other women discover on here.

I understand you have deal breakers and of course you are entitled to them, everyone in a relationship is, but making a huge deal out of him using an image in a non porn magazine can't be one of them, it's really really unfair since you are also denying him sex.

As far as the bad dh's go on Relationships, he sounds like a good one op. You need to give him space and focus on fixing yourself. Concentrate on finding an excellent psychotherapist and invest in healing yourself so you can then heal your relationship.

prawnsword · 18/10/2019 03:45

I must have read a different thread. The OP unilaterally decides not to work anymore due to her traumatic past, husband does not have a say. It is OK for people to not want to be in a relationship where one person has no future plans to work or near the load of financially supporting the family. SAHP only works if both parties are on board.

It sounds like Op did not care what the husband felt..then glosses over getting pregnant again at the “tail end of breastfeeding” I don’t know...Not even explaining the accident so from this I can assume she wanted to get pregnant again & the husband now feels trapped, hard sometimes by & he did not complain but actually sucked up his unhappiness because he didn’t want to unload onto his pregnant wife, even though she clearly did fuck him over by not caring two hoots about what would make him happy in life because “trauma”

People who are manipulative use their trauma to control their partners. OP controlled her partner from how she describes their past to me. I do not blame this person for seeking out a porno mag. People are allowed to masturbate, she is even controlling this & using her trauma to justify it.

I think the Op needs counselling & to lay off her husband & have a discussion with him about a plans to go back to work.

prawnsword · 18/10/2019 03:48

*bear the load financially

Also just read that sex is being withheld.

I feel if this were a reversal we would be saying this was a controlling relationship. All I read is “me me me”. Being abused does not give you a free pass to make people do whatever you want in life. People are not objects. I urge OP to care about how her husband feels half as much as she expects him to pander to hers.

Basil90 · 18/10/2019 04:13

Sorry OP but reading this I feel sorry for your husband. I'm sorry about your past traumatic experience but it sounds as though you need some more individual help to deal with what happened. Most people don't want their husbands looking at any form of porn (myself included, though I'm not under any illusions) but it's just a fact of life - the majority of men (and lots of women) use porn to fulfill a need and then don't give it a second thought afterwards. He sounds as though he's lost confidence as he's almost afraid of your reactions and him putting a foot wrong. It sounds as though you're doing what you can for your marriage outside the bedroom but it's as sexual partners that you need to slowly rediscover each other. If you're not prepared to do this don't stay with the poor man just because you haven't got a job!

Wallywobbles · 18/10/2019 04:31

Gosh I'm afraid your expectations of your husband are really bloody tough. No sex, no masturbation, no choices over his life, just work so that you can do what you want. What is the pay off for him? He gets to live with his kids.

To be honest you need to work hard on yourself for a set time and if things haven't improved enough so the relationship is emotionally and sexually "normal" leave your DH. And I'm not clear on if you are working or not. If not then you need to share that.

Stop making him live such a small life because of your issues. I was raped as a small child and in first marriage. It is traumatic but I won't be a victim because of it. And nor will my DH.

minesagin37 · 18/10/2019 04:44

sorry- but you sound really hard work op. If I was him I would be sad too. You just decided that's that you're staying at home. Sex is an issue so he uses a porn mag and it becomes a major issue. You say you've got issues we'll get some therapy otherwise your next issue will be divorce.

BossAssBitch · 18/10/2019 05:33

I agree with everything @prawnsword said

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/10/2019 05:34

It sounds to me as if you haven’t resolved your issues despite having therapy. It took a long time to resolve my childhood and years to find a good therapist. The expectations on your dh were and are oppressive. It is unfair to expect him to act a certain way because of your past.

However, I get the need to be the sahp when your children were little. I don’t have an answer to this as you needed to both be frank and honest. It doesn’t look as if either were able.

Your dh wants sex but you don’t and yet you want to stay together. How do you think it should be resolved? Would you be ok for him to go elsewhere? You wouldn’t want him to sleep with prostitutes, I’m sure so that leaves hook up sites or finding an ow, who he may go off with. You really do need to think about this. Your expectations for a sexless marriage long term are unfair.

CodenameVillanelle · 18/10/2019 05:44

This situation is very sad for you both. I feel sorry for the man, I am anti porn but I don't think there is anything wrong with an adult getting sexually aroused at an image of a topless adult. That's not porn and it's really humanly normal to find semi naked adults to be arousing. It's not dehumanising a woman to find her sexually attractive.
Have all your sexual problems stemmed from those two incidents? I think you haven't addressed your beliefs about sex between adults properly in therapy because you are showing signs of trauma response to a normal human reaction.
You also say you don't want to have sex again. To me that says the relationship is close to over.

OhTheRoses · 18/10/2019 05:49

How old are your children?
Sorry op but you need help. I think you betrayed your dh over being a sahm and then again over the second pregnancy.
The sex industry may exploit some womwn; other women paeticipate freely.
It seems your dh has used offthe shelf soft porn and an alluring pic in a mag to do what most men do. I know my DH has.

Your past didn't stop you having boyfriends and making babies. May I venture it is not an excuse to guarantee the relationship/life you wanton your terms. I do accept you may not know what normal relationships look like but they are largely based on compromise and a few laughs and morph from the highs of new lovers to comfy best friends who have ups, downs, bereavements and shared joy andgrow together not apart.

From your posts it seems as though neither of you like or trust each other. I think you orobably should separate. You can then do as you please and your dh can meet his physical needs hiwever he legally pleases