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Is this emotional abuse?

69 replies

misshapenchaos · 16/10/2019 18:29

Hi

I know the answer to this question already but I am really struggling to fully accept it right now. It feels unreal and I am feeling a bit lost. I would just really like some insight/opinions/advice.

I have been married for nearly 10 years. I have 3 wonderful children, aged 8, 5 and 2. They are everything to me. I continued working for a year after having my first child and then stopped due to moving far away to be nearer family. I am a stay at home mum now for about 8 years, so as you can imagine I am terrified at the prospect of going it alone.

My husband has always been a bit of a grouch, but in the beginning he was like a dream. He was so kind and loving and I thought I'd married my soul mate. Anyway quite soon after having our first child he started to be quite curt, not as caring, called our baby 'weird and not like a normal child' because she cried all evening with cholic. He said around that time he wanted a divorce. He was later sorry for this stuff and on life went. We had mini dramas but nothing too major. Him going for lap dancing (and denying it) and telling me all the guys in the office think he fancied the new girl (young and attractive), this was just after I had our 2nd child and I felt quite vulnerable.
My 3rd pregnancy I struggled with my mental health and although he got very frustrated with me at times, he was there for me.

Fast forward to now and he has become a bit of a nightmare to live with, I will just list some examples although not an exhaustive list:

-never happy, no matter how much i do he complains, moans, finds the one thing I didn't do.
-seems to create chaos whenever he is around the kids at bedtime, one minute all horse play and the next screaming in their faces and marshalling them around.
-doesn't contribute much to the housework at all. Although will offer to get things from the shops on way home from work.
-never gets up early with kids at weekend, says he needs the rest, so he always sleeps in. ( i dont mind this as i am used to getting up early with them, it would just be nice for him to consider me once in a while).
-will often sleep on couch or play his computer games during day at weekend, and i get left doing most of the work/childcare.
He doesn't have a steady job right now, (but has found work in his industry quite ad-hoc and well paid) as he was let go from the company he is with, and currently is pursuing them through the courts for unfair dismissal/commission he is owed.
-we were in so much debt we had to be bailed out by my family, this was legacy debt from the early days that was accrued due to amongst other things his love of flash cars/all latest technology etc.
So recently he was involved in a road rage incident and the police were round, no charges pressed as it was dropped due to being deemed 50/50.
He has become increasingly verbally and emotionally abusive towards me, calling me 'woman' all the time, ie if i ask him to do something or dare to disagree he will say 'oh shut up woman' or 'give it a rest woman', despite me saying I don't appreciate it especially in front of the kids. He always says 'you wouldnt understand this or that'. He was very angry recently that i didn't tell him I was going to be late back from a shop at aldi for and made such a scene in front of the kids when i returned, you would think I had deserted them.

He is always critical with me and I have learnt not to engage as then we will argue and I don't want the kids to see that too often.

Lately he has become increasingly short tempered with the children, particularly our middle child. He criticises her often, has repeatedly called her 'wicked' and 'evil child' for minor things, like taking her little brothers toy away etc. I am convinced she is aware of the tension and that is how it comes out in her behaviour.

Recently when I said to him that the road rage thing might not have happened if he hadnt driven alongside the other car making faces etc, he threw a large, heavy roll of bin bags at me, hitting me in the stomach, as I sat watching bake off. I was shocked as I had no idea they were headed my way and i felt really upset. He came up to see me, I was in the toilet and just wanted a bit of peace and he said 'really? are you going to get upset over a bin bag?' i just feel at a loss.

Lately he has tripped my middle child up and last night he picked her up and threw her down on the floor just because she went to jump on the bed when he was making it. He screams in the children's faces and scares them.

I am sorry for this outpouring. I dont know what to do. I dont feel like I love him anymore and I worry about the impact on my children. I'm scared of the unknown yet know I cant do nothing about this situation.

Thanks

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Shalom23 · 16/10/2019 18:31

It is absolutely abuse.

Quartz2208 · 16/10/2019 18:36

Lately he has tripped my middle child up and last night he picked her up and threw her down on the floor just because she went to jump on the bed when he was making it. He screams in the children's faces and scares them.

This is physical child abuse. Get help now

quincejamplease · 16/10/2019 18:43

He assaulted your child? And that's not the first thing you wrote in your post? Just sort of tucked away like it's no big deal?

If course you can bloody do something.

Call the police.

Call the NSPCC.

Call Women's Aid: 0808 2000 247

Do the Freedom Programme: www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

Get you and your children the fuck away from this man. Protect your children from him. They can't, it's your job.

He assaulted your child and you plan to leave them in this environment?

quincejamplease · 16/10/2019 18:46

I'm sorry, I want to be understanding, but you're forcing your children to live with a man who is abusing them. And that's horrific.

There are threads on here filled by broken adults who cannot comprehend why their mums didn't love them enough to protect them from their abusive father and have no relationship with their mother as a result.

misshapenchaos · 16/10/2019 18:55

He said he didnt shove her or pick her up, but he blocked her way and as she ran towards him she sprang back onto the floor. Either way -no excuse.

I love my children deeply and have been speaking to women's aid and citizens advice today and in the recent past. I didnt tuck the information away, it was my major concern and reason for posting but I thought it useful to give some background information.

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misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 14:38

Do you think this is something we should try to get help for together? The other night I asked if he would consider anger management and he doesnt think that is something he really needs.

When my daughter told him he had hurt her arm by shoving her, he said "I'm sorry you fell over that was not my intention but maybe you will learn to do as you are told."
I know that's not taking responsibility for his actions.

I'm just scared I'm going off at the deep end if I call the local women's aid. I dont want to turn my kids lives upside down. I am sure he will make all sorts of promises to charge and work at it if he knew we were leaving and I dont want to take a massive leap of moving out, to then be reeled back in.

He knows I get emotional and guilty and I'm sure he will play on that.

I dont see a future with him. He said a few weeks ago that "he knows he would be different in the relationship and happier in general with the kids and me if I 'put out' more". I felt repulsed by that comment.

I'm scared of taking this step in case it all backfires or if I cant cope well.

I dont feel like I love him right now but I dont make much effort with him because I've closed myself off alot so I dont get hurt by him and his drama.

I keep thinking so this my fault?

Please dont tell me I dont love my kids because I do. I just dont want to get this wrong.

Thanks

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anniemac1 · 17/10/2019 14:41

Can you stay with parents for a while?

misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 14:43

In theory yes, but the offer may not be forthcoming. My mum and dad are very supportive in many ways but not keen on their space being invaded.

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GuessWhoColeen · 17/10/2019 14:44

Jesus Christ.

Lets hope one of the children tell a teacher, then they will get some one to act & protect them.

You will be absolutely fine on your own. You will get up to 70% of childcare paid for.

Please get help.

category12 · 17/10/2019 14:47

Your dc are being abused, and you too.

Anger management is unlikely to work (I think it's success rates are low) and he'd have to want to do it. He doesn't, so you're SOL on that holding measure.

You've got to leave him, for the sake of the dc, if not your own.

misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 14:47

But he said he put his arm up to block her from coming in. I know I sound weak.

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Lllot5 · 17/10/2019 14:49

You know this isn’t right or you wouldn’t be posting.
You can leave him, I’ll go as far as to say you should leave him.
He is abusing you and your children they will thank you for keeping them safe( maybe not immediately, but in time).
It will be hard, financially, emotionally, and socially but you can do it.

GreenTulips · 17/10/2019 14:50

I'm scared of taking this step in case it all backfires or if I cant cope well

So you do all the housework and childcare and feel you won’t cope?

The best thing my mum did was leave our dad - we were so much happier, not on edge, could play safely.

Please leave him, and get some proper help and support, you’ll be surprised by how many people step up when you’re a single parent

cometothinkofit · 17/10/2019 14:51

He is abusing your children. You have to protect them.

And no - joint counselling would be completely the wrong thing to do. It's never advised when one person is abusing the other.

category12 · 17/10/2019 14:54

Oh come on, op, you're minimising.

He knocked her over, and blamed her for it = Physical abuse and gas-lighting (emotional abuse).
He screams in their faces = Verbal abuse and being scary (emotional abuse).
He tells your child she's evil etc = verbal abuse and emotional abuse.

He's no kind of father.

misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 14:58

I know. I used to challenge him and feel so sure of myself but I think over time I've learnt to doubt myself. I dont work so I dont know how I'd support us financially right now. I have no family who could take on childcare. I can look for employment when my youngest starts nursery, but that's not till next August.

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misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 15:00

But he said he didnt knock her over he put his arm up to block her as she ran towards him. I know I sound like an idiot. I'm just trying to explain what he said.

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misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 15:02

I had terrible OCD and anxiety during my 3rd preg. It was crushing, and I have got through that and feel 99% better. I'm just scared it might come back and then I wont cope and social services will take my kids away.

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Babyg1995 · 17/10/2019 15:03

You HAVE to leave for the kids safety God knows what he could do they could hit there head when thrown like that it's pure child abuse you have to put the kids first don't stay with this monster the screaming in there faces would have been enough for me to leave call woman's aid and your family for support before he does something even more horrific

category12 · 17/10/2019 15:05

he has tripped my middle child up and last night he picked her up and threw her down on the floor

He threw the roll of binbags at you.

Come on, op. Stop minimising.

GreenTulips · 17/10/2019 15:07

Social services don’t just up and take kids anymore - it takes a lot of abuse and even then they work with families before removing them via the courts

You’re more likely to lose them isn’t he current environment because you can’t stop it.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 17/10/2019 15:10

You are at great risk of losing them if you cover up and minimise his behaviour. You really really need to get help.

misshapenchaos · 17/10/2019 15:15

I have made an appointment with women's aid to discuss this. Thank you.

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cordeliavorkosigan · 17/10/2019 15:15

Please get out. He doesn’t deserve you or your lovely dc and more importantly they don’t deserve him and his abuse!

cordeliavorkosigan · 17/10/2019 15:16

And you deserve to live in peace and safety too