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Desperately sad over his lies over another woman. I have her number shall I call her?

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MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 07:21

Everyone is probably tucked up in bed right now but this is another sleepless night for me. I think my partner of 15 years is having a midlife crisis. He seems to have changed over night from a good guy to a man I simply don't completely recognise. I have wrote another post on the ins and outs on how all this started but I just need some emotional support for whats happening right now. Hes been staying away from home on and off for weeks now. First he was telling me he was sofa surfing because he wasn't happy at home. He was staying with people he knew from work and he was feeling depressed about certain aspects of his life. When he did come home he looked a mess. He was thin, dirty looking and hadnt taken a change of clothes. This was devastating for me as we have a 4 year old together who he wasn't being present for. He would come home, change his clothes and go to work. He would say he was coming home then text at the last minute saying he wasn't. My son has been very upset about his dad not being around and ive had to try to pick up the pieces. One day he called and because of his behaviour i asked him if he was staying with a woman. He said he was. He said she understood him and he could be his self with her.... Yeah like a dagger to the throat. He said nothing had gone on between them and he was staying on her sofa but he wanted to be with her.... I honestly went into panic mode. My once beautiful family was being torn apart and it was agonising. He kept repeating this behaviour and i told him he has to be there for his child. He came home and we had a long long talk. He had a daughter way before he met me and for various reasons he walked away when she was less than a year old and never saw her again. Now she is a grown woman and he wants to make contact. I softened a little because I do love him so much and I said I'd support him if that's the choice he wants. It changed things in my mind. We slowly stated to talk and we ended up kissing and sleeping together on 2 occasions. He said he had missed me. We talked about what he was going to do next. He even mentioned himself that he would like to heal things to work towards marriage in the future. I thought that maybe this was how it was going to be. One day he just went to work and went silent. I knew what was coming, i knew he wasn't coming home again. Sadly my son got sick that day and i had to call an ambulance and obviously contact his dad. He met me at thr hospital but he felt so distant. I was upset and he didn't hug me or comfort me. Alarm bells. I said asked him if he was planning on coming back that day and eventually via text he admitted he wasnt. He said he has no connection to me and it dosnt feel right between us.... I felt stupid and also violated and this hurt me deeply. So the next day he got sent home from work. Our son was home and poorly but he didn't come home. He said he was walking around towns processing stuff... That pissed me off. His son was ill. In my heart i felt like he was killing time until she finished work but I was hoping it was paranoia. Sohe text saying im drunk and angry leave me alone and then it was radio silence until he said he was with a friend from college and was safe. I actually half believed him. The next morning.... Yesterday he called on the way to work and i calmly told him how fed up I was with it all and something has to be done for the sake of our child. He said he was coming to see him and asked if i needed anything picking up. He turned up at 5.30.i told his little boy he was coming home and he was so excited and was looking through the window waiting.... He came in... His son came running to him and he just seemed disinterested. Straightaway he said he had to go out because the mother of his long lost daughter had agreed to meet (just as he clicks his fingers after leaving her to bring up a baby on her own, shes married and has other kids) he went about changing his top doing his hair and all those things... His son was following him around like a lost puppy. He was taking about how excited and nervous he was and how he was dreading it. He hada weird smirk that kept going across his face. I said... Why do you keep smiling and he was likr im not ite nerves. He said he was going to come home and tell me what happens. He texted me all the way saying how he knew he was gonna be told home truths etc and was feeling bad but just wanted to know his daughter.... So fast-forward. He never came home. I text, no answer, i called, no answer. He completely lied about the whole situation which is terrible. I checked his mobile phone bill and i saw a number. He texts me then texts this number.... ALOT. I am so tempted to call this number not to start a war, just to know the truth because every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie. I thought if he came home today to see his son while he is here id slip away and call it. I just need to know what's happening so I can move forward. Is it the right thing to do?

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Seaweed42 · 13/10/2019 13:01

You need to cut contact with this man and stay away from him. He is damaging your son with first committing to see him then not appearing.
Also be very very careful how you handle situations when talking to your son about his Dad and his unpredictable behaviour. Make sure you keep your feelings out of it and that there is no 'oh your Dad is very mean to not come and see you' etc. Never use your son to manipulate your ex into visiting by saying or texting 'oh DS really wanted to see you' etc. Never badmouth the Dad in front of the son either. Stay neutral. Or say the Dad is busy with work again so the son does not start thinking the Dad does not love him.
Don't promise the son a visit from the Dad until you know 100% the Dad is going to appear. Don't use it as a sort of 'ha, you see, your Dad is no good I told you' sort of thing.
Your son is the helpless victim in this. You and your Ex are adults. Please, please be aware of the circumstances for your son.
You are not wanting to contact this woman because 'she needs to know the truth', you are doing it because you want to hurt him.
Let her find out the truth for herself. You need to focus your attention on your son and yourself. Get rid of your user shitbag self centered partner for once and for all. Sorry for your troubles, stay strong and move on.

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 13:04

I know its just really hard to even get his stuff and throw it in bags. Not because I want him home because that can't happen. I can't understand how someone can put themselves or someone else before a child. The poor thing has been so poorly and its not fair. I know its time to move forward I know hes gone. I just loath him for the destruction he has caused and knowing now hes having a great time when he should be holding his boy

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Mumtoaperfectbabyboy · 13/10/2019 13:07

From reading your posts you obviously feel you need to call her. You may not get the answers you need but from what you've said you need to do it for closure. Just stay calm and keep dignified. Do whatever you need to do for you.

Mimsnethe · 13/10/2019 13:09

Call, but only if you’re prepared to take action based on what you find out- ie, you’re going to end it with him.

OP, what’s happened in your life that you have such a low level of self-respect? This man is behaving horribly to you and your child and you’re accepting it every time you let him walk in the door, or lie in your bed.

Please have a serious think about heraph because you can’t spend your life letting others treat you like this. It’ll destroy you and could lead to problems for your son as he grows up seeing how this behaviour is role modeled.

TheVanguardSix · 13/10/2019 13:13

What a heartbreaking read. Flowers
Just the idea of your little boy looking out the window with such anticipation and expectation breaks the heart. Ah what bastard his father is. What a letdown. You have my entire sympathy, OP. I was a loan parent to DS1 and it used to break my heart how much hope and forgiveness he doled out so easily to his dad.
See this as an opportunity to raise your little boy with you as his best example of what love, loyalty, and trust look like. Sometimes, having these Bozos out of the picture isn't a bad thing. It is painful for a while, but who needs them as an example of how to be a decent human being? Your partner is no example of anything decent and you and your son deserve way better... most of all, peace in your day, something you won't have while this guy clowns around in and out of your lives.
I'd call the number, absolutely. Calling that number may very well be the actually key you need to lock this shit up and put it away for good. Then throw away the key afterwards.
He has shown you who he is. And he is who he is because that's who he is... NOT because you made him this way. You unwittingly picked a bad egg. Drop it like it's hot. Do not give him the pleasure of dumping any of his psychobabble bullshit of blame onto you. These guys are fucked up when we meet them. They have to go off and wander the desert on their own. Don't let him drag you or your son down with him.
Be strong, for you and for your boy.

NettleTea · 13/10/2019 13:13

I think you should call her
Its eating you up and until you do, until you say your part, its going to keep on going round in your head.
I suspect a bit of you hopes she will be angry and he will end up kicked out on his arse from everywhere, but you need to be able to know that you wont be having him back if thats what you are hoping, otherwise this roundabout will just start spinning again. And you dont want to be the pity choice - the place he goes when he has nowhere else

Its heartbreaking about your son, but you need to be strong for him and just keep on keeping on. DO NOT facilitate the dad to make contact easy, dont chase him up and pester him. Its harsh but in the long run it is better for your son to either have no contact, or for him to know his dad was bothered. Its HIS job to sort out the contact, not your job to jump through hoops to provide and force it. If he cant be bothered then move on.
Otherwise its just another way for him to mess you around.

MashedSpud · 13/10/2019 13:19

Pack his clothes/shit up. Contact his sister to let her know when they will be picked up with the rubbish collection if they aren’t picked up and let her pass a message on about arranging contact with your ds.

He’s getting dressed up at your place for the ow. He’s lying about sleeping on people’s sofas.

He’s a user and a liar. Start making his life difficult.

DeniseRoyal · 13/10/2019 13:27

Seriously now OP, the only way to let him know you are not a doormat is to take charge. Chuck out all his stuff, change your locks, contact CSA and get him to fuck. He is a horrible bastard and you and your little ds deserve better. I wouldn't bother fannying around contacting the OW or asking his sister to be a go between. The less attention you give him and the stronger you will be. Good luck 🌺

OhioOhioOhio · 13/10/2019 13:28

Get rid of him

cleanasawhistle · 13/10/2019 13:38

I would pack his stuff and put it outside.
Text him one last time and tell him its there.
He will soon find out if the other women is really interested and he turns up wih his things.

I know this is hard OP but you have to distance yourself for now.
Sometimes the less you know the easier it gets.
You will be angry for a while.
You will miss him for a while.
But believe me it will get easier.
I feel for you OP but try stay strong,you deserve to be happy.

Let him get the ball rolling re contact for your son.

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 14:19

I didn't let him in my bed with the full knowledge about this woman. He was playing the troubled soul card and we did have a good life together once. Ive had to find out myself and piece together his absolute sickening web of lies. He has used the excuse he wants to make contact with his daughter and he hasn't even tried itsjust6a sick way of covering up his tracks. I do want him to suffer I suppose that's only natural but your right me keep making it easy for him to come back because i want him to be a dad is stupid
If he wanted to be one that would have come before any woman. He will mess with his head more more if keep doing it. I am going to make an appointment at tge gp tomorrow so i can at least get some help sleeping. Its a sad situation but did not create it

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DBML · 13/10/2019 14:20

What’s worse than having no dad, is having a crap dad...so don’t worry, your son will be better off without him.

readingnc · 13/10/2019 14:44

When he lied about his grandparent dying he showed what kind of person he is. This is all on him, not the OW. Just get rid of him completely and it will get easier

Pinkbonbon · 13/10/2019 14:53

Google the narcissistic smirk.

He is lying to you and using you and he is enjoying himself doing it.

There is likely another woman but she may have nothing to do with this long 'lost' child. He is a narcissist who is currently bored of you. He might regain interest in you again when he is bored of her. When this happens,have learned all you can about Narcissts to better protect yourself. Do not take him back into your life. And arrange any contact with his son via a third party if pos.

You could let the other woman know what us what if you find out where she is but...he will just tell her you are the crazy ex. For now, concentrate on you and your son.

aweedropofsancerre · 13/10/2019 15:10

You can’t force the man to be a parent so stop chasing him to contact his DS. Your DS needs you to be strong for him and I wouldn’t be bothering with this OW. It really makes no difference to this situation, he has left and keep him gone .

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 15:44

I've just been holding my boy as he slept in my arms. He woke up and stroked my face. He is so beautiful. He is currently under assessment for autism that's probably why i tried to believe most of this was not happening for him. But you are right I need to stop chasing him and concentrate on my boys journey. He needs extra stability because I can't explain to him whats happening and he does get destressed over it all. His behaviour changes and it isn't fair. I need to protect him from the hurt i just thought being a good mom was letting daddy in.... Maybe i need to rethink

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MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 15:58

I did just Google the narcissistic smirk @pinkbonbon I never really thought about it like that. Everything does have to be about him which is pretty scary. Alot of that does run true. I just wish I had been more clued up when I was younger and kicked him the Curb then. Well we live and learn I suppose. Ive just joined Facebook... I know that's weird me never being on it. My ex used to have secret accounts and I just didn't want to be part of it all. Ive just found some old friends and when I posted my profile picture they were all telling me how stunning I am... It's just give me a little confidence boost. I have been a very silly girl being with a very stupid man it seems

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MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 17:20

See now the pangs of hurt and anger mingled with jealousy keep returning. I just feel so sad that our family has just disappeared

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MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 17:23

Im hovering texting and ringing even though I know it will do no good. Does this feeling ever go away?

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nottodaysatanlucifer · 13/10/2019 17:33

Have you searched the phone number using Facebook? A profile might be attached to it.

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 17:45

Nothing

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DBML · 13/10/2019 17:55

Hi op

Have you thought about what you would say if you call or text?

Perhaps something like:

Hi my name is and I’m the girlfriend of . Recently we’ve gone through a rough patch and as he needed some space, he told me he was staying with friends and coming back and forth to me. More recently however I discovered his phone bill and I don’t believe him to have been truthful with me. Your number came up on his bill almost as frequently as my own. I thought I’d contact you to see if you could possibly shed some light, I do hope this isn’t coming as an awful shock to you, but I felt we both needed to know. I am intent now on cutting ___out of my life.

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 17:59

That is quite sensible and clear cut. I wanted to do it while he was hear because id they are together he's going to react straightaway and im the nutter ex etc. If she wasn't with him she is more likely to read it properly. He has his phone in silent with notifications turned off so he would know straight away if she called or texted

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FlyingPenguine · 13/10/2019 18:11

Tell her. I would want to know if I were her, you could save her a lot of heartache and teach him a lesson. You're right, hes probably fed her a lot of lies and shes none the wiser at the moment.

MedusaMomma · 13/10/2019 18:14

I'm just so pissed off right now because he was supposed to be here for his son today. He hasn't even asked how he is

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