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I ended it, but he doesnt want it to be over so it's not :(

86 replies

Connie1972xxxx · 12/10/2019 17:28

Hi,
Some advice would be appreciated. I came out of a long abusive marriage 2 years ago. It took everything I had within me to leave. My exh was/is a nasty man who left me a shell of a person who contemplated suicide regularly. If it wasnt for my DDs I probably wouldn't be here.
My divorce is through but I dont think I've really processed the last 20 years despite counselling.
7 months after leaving I got into a relationship with a man I knew through my hobby. This I now know was stupid of me. It was nice to be shown some attention, have nice conversations with and have our hobby in common. He knew my marriage history and was understanding. He is divorced himself. I didn't realise the impact a relationship would have on me and my girls. At first it was a few drinks or a theatre night but he started wanting more of my time which is nice he wanted to have time with me but I was missing my DDs. The time away didn't feel right. It just started to feel wrong.
I don't like upsetting people so would go along with what he wanted most of the time. My DDs are teens and have friends here but not all the time.
This started to affect my mental health. I work full time so feel like I never stop. I was trying to do everything for the girls, work, see dp.
I ended it in july. I told him my girls need me at the moment. I want to be focused on them. He was upset and couldnt understand my reasons, and still cant. He still calls and texts. Has said I'm not thinking about myself and my future enough. Other people dont have this problem he says. They come up with a solution. He lives in my village. I'm terrified to go out incase I see him. He always asks me to go for a drink when he texts but I say I'm busy with the girls. So I cant go out or he will say I do have time.
My friend tells me to just tell him to sod off. I know this sounds weak but I just cant. Hes a nice man, i cant be horrible to him. But the.nice texts asking me for a drink make me feel pressured. I dont have any feelings for him now. I just want some peace. He still talks like we are together. Texting holidays hes seen that we can go on in the future like this is a temporary break.
I dont know what to do. I feel like I'm.just hurting people. My exh even though I knows hes nasty. And now this man who says "he wont give up on me" .
My DDs deserve a mum to be here. It's still new to them, its just a couple of years. I want to be here for them. I made a massive mistake. I dont know how to put it right.
Thank you if you got this far. Any advice would be appreciated. Help with what I can say so I dont cause any more hurt.

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TheAlternativeTentacle · 12/10/2019 18:19

Hes confused as to why I want to be on my own

If you want to go out on your own that is none of his fucking business.

You can do what the fuck you want with your own time.

quincejamplease · 12/10/2019 18:22

I'm glad you're looking at starting the Freedom Programme. It will help. It really will.

It takes a long time to unravel all the conditioning abuse leaves you with.

This man might be using superficially nice words, but his behaviour is not nice. He's harassing you and that is his fault, not yours.

You owe him nothing.

Freedom Programme will help you understand what genuinely nice behaviour would look like and how totally out of order he is being.

Don't reply to him. Don't talk to him. Don't answer the door if he turns up. Stop trying to appease him and justify yourself - the only thing he's interested in is coercing you back into a relationship with him, not your explanations.

Can you block him? If so, please do. You're not being unkind, you're taking necessary steps to protect yourself.

The only reason you feel guilty for asserting your own needs is because years of abuse trained you to feel you were doing something wrong if you did that. You're not. It's healthy and necessary.

Dragongirl10 · 12/10/2019 18:25

op he is pressuring you and NOT listening to you..he is not nice.

Trust all the advice you have got on here and cut him off, his feelings are not your responsibility

Connie1972xxxx · 12/10/2019 18:30

I will definitely ask about the freedom programme on Tuesday at my appointment. I haven't realised the extent of the damage my marriage has done to me I dont think. I just dont have any trust in my own thoughts or opinions. when I ended this he said to me "please dont end it, I know you love me" I just looked at him. I couldnt say, no I dont. I just didn't say anything. But that must have given him false hope. Because I just looked at him. Scared to say anything that would upset him more.

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funnylittlefloozie · 12/10/2019 18:34

Did he say you had been leading him on? Its a stupid term - the whole point of dating someone is to see if you like them enough to be in a relationship. A relationship with him isnt working for you right now, so you arent under any obligation to carry on with him. If he was genuinely a nice man, he would understand and move on.

Babybel90 · 12/10/2019 18:36

He doesn’t have to understand it or accept it, he’s not entitled to an explanation. You may choose to give him an explanation if he was being reasonable and you wanted to, but he’s not entitled to one.

You don’t want to see him anymore, that is your right. Don’t reply to his messages as that just gives him a chance to ‘objection handle’.

Aberhonddu · 12/10/2019 18:38

When you tried to tell him you didn't want to see him he made my reasons seem stupid
When you ended it he couldn't go to work and couldn't face anyone
That's more than enough to make it clear to me he's an abusive manipulating arsehole.
Predators are extremely skilled at spotting vulnerable women, you'll be very vulnerable because of your abusive relationship.
His feelings are not your responsibility, please try and stop letting him dictate where you go and who you see.
I know you've said you will and please do the freedom programme, as pp have said it will give you the tools and techniques to recognise abusive men for what they are.
Try and stop being nice to him, maybe one final message, Fuck off and leave me alone, don't apologise and don't try and explain, he can hear you but he's not fucking listening.

PositiveVibez · 12/10/2019 18:43

Hes confused as to why I want to be on my own

So what? Telling him should be enough.

He's not confused at all. He is trying to harass you into going out with him.

He's not a nice guy at all.

He's being manipulative and a bully.

BristolCat · 12/10/2019 18:47

You definitely need to ask your DV charity to refer you to regular talking therapy if they haven't already OP. Of course it will take you time to heal after your long abusive marriage. If in doubt just treat yourself as you would a best friend or one of your DC. If they came to you with this problem what would you advise them? No doubt to not feel guilty and just tell this man to leave them alone and block him.

Please don't feel like you have done anything wrong because you haven't. This man is not LISTENING to you. He is an adult. It's not your fault or responsibility if he still feels bad / doesn't go to work. You are entitled to end the relationship and put yourself first. Block him, change your number, lock your door and ask your friend round for the evening do you have company.

You need to educate yourself about the impact of your abuse though to ensure you can be happy in the future. Yes to the Freedom Programme, regular therapy plus there are loads of books and online resources about this. Please ask your worker for support- you are not alone. Thanks

BeUpStanding · 12/10/2019 18:51

"Look, I don't need to give you any more reasons or explanations as to why I don't want to see or talk to you any more. I have been polite but you must stop contacting me. Please respect my decision. If you continue to contact me I will unfortunately have to treat it as harassment. Good luck with everything, I wish you well. Good bye".

Ifeelinclined · 12/10/2019 19:31

You've gotten some good advice on here. Please do pursue some therapy for yourself. He is a grown man, and his feeling aren't your problem. Tell him you aren't interested and focus on your daughters and healing yourself. Thanks

Wilberforcethecat · 12/10/2019 20:06

He doesn't sound nice he sounds very manipulative and egotostical. 'I know you love me' Hmm

So you need to toughen up a bit and make sure all that shit you went through with your ex wasn't for nothing. That you've learnt from it and have stronger boundaries as a result.

Also look at it another way, how dare he say you prioritising you DDs is wrong! Get angry at his arrogance.

He is a grown man. He coped before you came along and he will cope after you.

Send him this:

I've made my decision so I think its best we leave this here. I won't be responding to anymore texts and wish you all the best.

Direct. Polite and then block.

AliciaWhiskers · 12/10/2019 20:16

OP, you sound a bit like me. I was in an abusive marriage, left that and then ended up in another abusive relationship with another manipulative man.

He had a way of talking me round like nobody else. He would put words into my mouth, thoughts into my head, and I felt powerless to argue against them, because after years of abuse I thought that he was right and I was wrong.

After many times of trying to end it, I did eventually block him. I asked him to stop contacting me, and when he didn't I told him that because he wasn't able to respect my wishes not to contact me, I would block him, and I did. Then, it makes it about HIM. He was the one who refused to do what I was asking, it was HIS fault, and not mine, that he got blocked.

I will say something to you, and I want you to repeat it until you start to believe it.

You are not a bad person. You are not a bad person for ending a relationship. You are not a bad person because he felt hurt. You didn't deliberately hurt him, you ended a relationship that wasn't right for you or your children. That's ok to do. If you don't prioritise yourself and your children, nobody will.

You are not a bad person. You have done what is right for you.

Keep saying it. Start believing it.

He is in the wrong here, not you.

GreenTulips · 12/10/2019 20:26

You need to ask yourself
‘Do I want to do ..... X’ every time someone asks you to do something. Then listen to your own answer.

Greatdomestic · 12/10/2019 20:33

Hi OP

You have had some good advice from previous posters. You don't owe this guy anything. He can't harass you into going out with him again.

Please stop blaming yourself for his actions, you are not responsible for them. I'm appalled that his actions have left you feeling this way.

Please be kind to yourself.

ChristmasFluff · 12/10/2019 20:49

You ended it. Normal people accept that, they don't do all this 'but you love me really' shite.

Why would a healthy person want to be with someone who would end a relationship for no reason anyway! Whatever way you look at it, he is the one with the problem.

It ends when someone wants it to end. Block him. Seek therapy for why you can't, if you can't.

giantwatermelon · 12/10/2019 21:20

Block him and move on. Then play stupid if you meet him in real life.

Don't be bullied into anything. His isn't your responsibility

Inebriati · 12/10/2019 21:41

Connie1972xxxx

He's not a nice man.
Stop trying to explain the situation to him and just block him. Contact Paladin Stalking Services for advice in case he escalates.
paladinservice.co.uk

Take The Freedom Programme, you can do it online;
freedomprogramme.co.uk/index.php

Read Lundy Bancroft - Why Does He Do That?
tinyurl.com/LundyWhy

And read Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker
tinyurl.com/GiftoFear

DonKeyshot · 12/10/2019 21:52

Twisting your words, telling you to 'work less' ffs. And he's a 'nice man'.

He's far from being a nice man; he's a gaslighting arsehole who has you cowering in your home for fear of bumping into him and having him do yet another number on you.

Send him a text saying that you do not wish to be in a relationship with him and will report any further communication or attempt to talk to you in person to the police - and then block him.

If he comes to your home do as a pp said. If you've inadvertently opened the door, shut it in his face and call the police. If you've haven't opened the door keep it shut and call the police.

If he accosts you when you're out and about tell him you do not wish to engage in any conversation with him and call the police if he persists.

Abusive twats - and 'abusive' is exactly the right term for twats like him - who attempt to kill with apparent kindness tend to superglue themselves to their victims once they scent weakness and lack of resolve.

Resolve to put an end to his nonsense with an unequivocal rejection and get the power of the police onside if needs be.

You've got out of the fire and climbing out of this twat's frying pan should be a comparative doddle.

Connie1972xxxx · 12/10/2019 23:23

Thank.you for all the words of support alicia "he was right and I was wrong" is exactly how I feel. This happened so much in my marriage I cant believe I'm here again. It took everything I had to get out of my marriage. I'm so tired and just want him to go away. I dont want to have those awful conversations I've had before, I've got nothing left.
don the killing with kindness confuses me. At least my EXH was a nasty man for most of the time. With this man the.niceness is confusing. It makes it harder to say I dont want to see him because he is being so nice. I say no then he asks again. So I say no again and he asks the next day or day after. The I feel worse for saying no all the time.
So many replies thank you. I'm reading all of them carefully and taking it in.
I know I should be able to see and do what I want to. But I struggle to believe It. I feel like I'm doing something wrong because I'm not doing what he wants me to do. It leaves me an anxious self doubting mess.

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Connie1972xxxx · 12/10/2019 23:26

don getting out of this frying pan SHOULD be easy. I have no ties, no DCs to consider. I dont understand myself at all :(

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Connie1972xxxx · 12/10/2019 23:28

inebriati I've read lundy in my previous marriage. I will look at the gift of fear, I'm scared of something. That may help.

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BumbleBeee69 · 12/10/2019 23:32

No is a complete sentence. Stand in the Mirror and say No and repeat. No No No No No No No

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lottelupin · 13/10/2019 00:05

Listen, this is the most important point, almost the only point you need to get:

You are not hurting him. It's not your fault. You're just stating your position and he has to deal with that. He's a grown man. You are being completely fair.

When you went into the relationship with him, you knew, as did he, that there were no guarantees. There never are. For whatever reason (you're not obliged to say), you don't want this. That's OK. You've tried it and don't want it. It's run its course for you. And remember, this isn't twenty years - this is just a handful of months. A few theatre nights. It really isn't as big a thing as he's making it.

Right, what you have to do is follow a simple formula and just cut it off: it's the only thing that will work. If someone isn't getting the message and is continuing to maul you emotionally, they really just need to be cast off. It's not your fault. He's the one who hasn't got perspective. And you don't owe him particular niceness just because he liked you (/was lucky enough to have your attention for a while, and kind of didn't make the grade - was to selfish/short-sighted and got in the way of your most important job, as a mother).

Send him one last text. Say something along the lines of:

Hi. I'm afraid I'm really not up for any relationship at the moment. I can't explain - it's just how I feel. I'm sorry and wish you all the best.

And then - this is the crucial part - don't text him any more
Don't respond to anything he says. Don't answer any calls. Completely remove that communication from your life. Because you've been fair, and he really needs to get the message.

I'm so sorry for you, as you've been through so much and had to be so resilient to get out of the big abusive marriage, and it's a bit like you flopped and this other guy was just in the right place at the right time (in his eyes). You flopped, gave in, relaxed, let someone in, being probably too exhausted emotionally to make much of a choice, and then found that what initially might have seemed like a harmless boost was actually becoming quite any annoyance and getting in the way of how you want to live. So you had to, yet again, try to get yourself out.

Do NOT feel sorry for either of them. I totally understand the Pathos problem - you end up feeling sorry for them because of their issues/failings/whatever, and don't want to be mean to them. This is in fact not going to get you anywhere - it will just drag it out, and spoil your life, and possibly also not be much cop for your DDs.

You're not being hard or unfair or mean - you're being clear and honest.

After the abusive relationship with your husband, you will have established a pattern of compliance which ultimately you developed to keep yourself and the children as safe as you could. Don't fight the ogre - pacify him and hopefully he'll soon just go to sleep and all will be OK. Well, this coping mechanism is pretty engrained, and you're still doing it, almost instinctually. The second guy sounds a bit weak, rather attached to you, and in some denial (not listening to you). He also wants something from you - and you don't want to do that, but you are automatically stressed by not complying. You feel it's because you don't want to hurt him, but let's follow that through ... you don't want to hurt him, because what does a hurt person do? They react emotionally, often irrationally and unpredictably, and you aren't quite sure what he might do. He certainly might come up to you in the village and ask you out (awkward, embarrassing) or worse - ask you why you don't want him (really very uncomfortable). And what do hurt people also do? They get angry, they go for the person who's hurt them. Somewhere, given what you've seen in the past, you're probably afraid. Scared of his attention. Wanting to get out of his headlights and let him go past, while you and your DDs stay safe and hidden.

You feel you've exposed you and them yet again to a person who might be angry with you. You don't want to hurt him because you don't want him to hurt you and your girls. This is too scary a situation, so you tell yourself you don't want to hurt him because you're a nice person and that would be unkind.

This gets you off the hook, and hides the fear you don't want to express, because it's too difficult, too painful, and also if others knew about it, that might make things more dangerous.

But this guy doesn't live with you. He doesn't have kids with you. He isn't anything like as deep in your life as your ex husband. He's a gnat. A midge. Brush him off. He is an annoyance. Put him in perspective. You wouldn't do this to another person. So have no truck with him. Don't engage emotionally. Just be polite, and shut the door.

Hey, you got out of the big awful thing. You did it. You have done amazingly and been very brave and strong. So it's no big deal, nothing, to write that text and forget about it.

And if he asks you out and you say you can't, then he sees you out - you know what? He'll get the message.

But just make it clear and then no asking out, no responding, no nothing. Free yourself from it. It's much easier than you think. Just do it.

AgentJohnson · 13/10/2019 00:37

^He's a nice man, i cant be horrible to him.*

He isn’t a nice man! There’s nothing nice or caring about his decision to harass you, you didn’t lead him on, you dated him.

It’s time you got angry. Sadly, you aren’t the first and probably won’t be the last woman, who has been/ will be exposed to his brand of niceness—controlling sense of entitlement—.
The whole relationship was unequal from the start and you spent far too much time being grateful. Thank god you ended it.

The relationship wasn’t a mistake because you’ve learned some valuable lessons and with the help of the Freedom Programme, you will learn many more.

Stop being so damn hard on yourself! It isn’t your fault that this man is entitled arse.