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MIL being abused by FIL

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Nomintrude · 26/09/2019 16:05

I'm hoping I can get some advice about the situation my very lovely MIL is in. Her husband (my partner's dad) has always been controlling and got his own way with things, kept her away from the finances and basically conditioned her to accept being in a subservient role in the marriage. In the past 18 months he's become unwell with various complications and she has been caring for him. During this time his behaviour has become really vile and abusive. She's been doing everything for him up to and including wiping his bottom, while being subjected to awful verbal abuse (on one occasion he said he would nail her head to the wall but that would be a waste of a good nail AngryAngryAngry).

He listens in on her phone calls and tries to stop her talking to people by constantly shouting and banging with his stick. Their house is in serious need of work which he won't authorise paying for despite being very comfortable, wouldn't let her get a cleaner despite the fact that she's a full-time carer for him and having to do huge amounts of extra laundry for him, and has really awful sciatica from lifting him. He accuses her of spending money frivolously which she doesn't at all, makes her pay for big household items out of her pension while keeping hundreds of thousands of his own savings. It's 'his house, his money' despite the fact they've been married for 40 years.

Basically, he's a weapons grade cunt and she's been calling us anxious and in tears not knowing what she can do about it. We've tried talking to him, writing him a letter, family meetings, talking to the GP. Social services are now involved and have been helpful, but it seems their hands are tied unless he becomes physically abusive. He has a legal right to live in the house, and she won't leave as she'd have to re-home her dogs and I just think it would all be too traumatic for her.

She's finally had some respite when he went into a rehabilitation place for the last three weeks but is due to come back on Monday. He had agreed to carers coming in but has now refused to sign the paperwork saying he doesn't need them, and doesn't want to spend the money which is about £250 a week and definitely affordable for him. She's dreading him coming back but the home he's in don't do long term care and say they've done all they can to help him regain his strength. The physiotherapist also commented on how manipulative he is and said it's one of the more extreme cases she's seen.

As far as we can see, the only thing she can currently do is refuse to be his carer when he returns and just try to live with the behaviour as best she can. We try to give her as much emotional support as possible and help her to see she doesn't have to do as he says but she's such a gentle and unworldly person, and I think she will find it very difficult not to fall back into the dynamic when he's in the house again.

Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated. She's a lady in her seventies who has been a housewife all her adult life and has a fairly traditional worldview so we don't want to alienate her by being too overtly 'feminist' but she does listen to me and has realised how unacceptable it is. We just don't know what the options are to advise her though.

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5zeds · 26/09/2019 22:00

Does she qualify/claim carers allowance, and does he claim DLA(PIP?). Could that money be used for cleaners and perhaps other domestic help?

Supersimkin · 26/09/2019 22:03

Well, it means that it will be a lot easier to override his deranged wishes and get POA.

Believe me OP, sectioning can be a blessed relief.

Get another test and a referral to the memory clinic. But be careful when you deal with the GP - beg them not to tell FIL that you've grassed him up. Frequently doctors will tell the patient what you and other HCP have said, which has a truly special effect on family relations.

Teddybear45 · 26/09/2019 22:08

If it gets really bad then at his next hospital appointment - you could have the locks changed and sneak your mil home leaving him there. If your mil refuses to have him back and nobody answers the phone then there would he no choice but to sort something out for him

sonjadog · 26/09/2019 22:10

From my own family experience, Supersimkin sums it all up pretty accurately. All the best, OP.

Supersimkin · 26/09/2019 22:11

OP, dementia is very rarely inherited. You can get tested for the genetic ones. What sort was it?

smartiecake · 26/09/2019 22:18

Is he getting attendance allowance? He can use this to pay towards carers. Can she stay with you and you say she is ill?

Defenestrator · 26/09/2019 23:09

Changing the locks is not a solution for two vulnerable elderly people.

There is help and advice available but sometimes you have to jump up and down and refuse to shoulder the burden of care to access it.

It took me over a year to get a diagnosis of dementia (Alzheimer's) for my mum. Most of that was through denial on her part. She is still in denial seven years later and she has lived in a care home for three of those years. I look back over more than ten years and the signs of early dementia were all there if only we'd known what we were seeing.

YOU CANT FORCE SOMEONE INTO A POA OR GET ONE FOR THEM YOURSELF. Power of Attorney is granted by the person. If the person loses mental capacity before a POA is in place you will have to find another route to deal with affairs like applying to the Court of Protection for deputyship. Age UK (used to be Age Concern and Help the Aged) have lots of advice about this. Alzheimer's Society also has lots of advice on its website if you are concerned about dementia (other types of dementia are available Grin)

AlexaAmbidextra · 26/09/2019 23:41

Does she qualify/claim carers allowance

She can’t claim Carer’s Allowance if she in receipt of the state pension.

wibbletooth · 27/09/2019 01:12

As an immediate thing to do, I understand that you can fill in a land registry form, submit with a few pounds (all details on their website!) so that if fil tries to do anything with the house like sell it or remortgage it, you can register mil’s interest in the property so that they need to notify her (not sure about getting her agreement though) if there are any changes...

Might be worth doing - although might be worth doing with your dp names rather than mil (or at least your address for contact!) so fil doesn’t spot it and get even more abusive.

Could your dh suggest turning it into joint remnants to make life easier should (when!) either of them die. Point out that mil doesn’t have to know but (assuming you/bil are executors) it would make your lives easier to sort things out... basically whatever story fil will go with to get him to sign. Or if you think mil will go back anyway then say he has to make it right first by adding her to the deeds before you will let her start to help... even if she stops a short time later.

heartbreakin · 27/09/2019 05:10

Look I think it’s best you take legal advice. Ring a solicitor and get a free half hour urgent appointment. Find someone who can give you immediate phone advice. Remember that they can now force the sale of a house to pay for care once savings have gone. You must find out if her name is on the house. If it’s not then the social can sell that. She’d have nowhere to go. Explain you have to find this stuff out to her or she risks losing the house and the dogs would have to be rehomed. Regardless of him throwing a hissy fit use the money in the account to pay for a solicitor. If he throws a fit say “sorry tough. We need to know where we stand regards the social being able to take your house to pay for care” it’s time for everyone to stop taking his calls or listening to him. Pay to do the online land registry search. Register her interest in the house. What a terrible situation. I feel for you OP

heartbreakin · 27/09/2019 05:11

That’s the online land registry search. Do that now

heartbreakin · 27/09/2019 05:14

Thats the website to go to to register her right to the property. Social can’t take it if she’s registered as living there.

Needsomebottle · 27/09/2019 06:06

Sorry @Nomintrude I didnt get a notification of an update on this thread. Re your question about reporting to the police, yes you can. They would still have to investigate it and sit down with her for her version of events.

In your position I'd crack on doing these things people have suggested, or at least get the ball rolling and see how long they take.

If you do make a report, don't rush through the details, it will add so much weight if you explain how long its been ongoing and give some detail. It will make it easier for them to interact with her too. Explain to them that you are concerned she will be conflicted about engaging with them. This is totally understandable when someone has spent so many years under someone's control. In your place I would want to be present to help support her and do it a time when you are sure she wont be rushing and he is nowhere nearby. If that's the case, again explain it, and they should take that into account in order to properly engage her. Good luck whatever you decide. Honestly, this does sound so awful and I think you are doing her a massive kindness by gently steering her through what must be such an awful time as the realisation of the life she has been living sinks in.

meccacos2 · 27/09/2019 06:21

All she has to do is tell the rehabilitation centre that there is nowhere for him to live, if he says there is, she can just say there is none to care for him.

He’s abusive. I wouldn’t care for him and then I would call an ambulance to take him to hospital.

If he needs a carer surely it’s not long until he dies?

Nomintrude · 27/09/2019 14:21

@meccacos2 I don't think that's necessarily true, he doesn't have a terminal illness as such. Will see how it all goes. Definitely going to make sure MIL is legally protected as much as possible and not getting involved with the care. And just try to be supportive and help her not to be sucked back in.

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justchecking1 · 30/09/2019 18:11

@Nomintrude how is it going? Is FIL home from hospital yet?

Fatpotato · 30/09/2019 21:35

Sorry I have come to this late, but it sounds exactly like the situation my parents found themselves in with a dutiful but dreadfully unhappy wife and a demanding, aggressive husband who refused carers, refused any respite for my mum and also prevented her from seeing anyone socially including her children (ie me).

The social services were totally useless and it was only due to my being able to convince a hospital doctor that at 89 my mother was not able to continue to care for a bed ridden, obese, incontinent 90 year old that we finally managed to get him into a home. Even then it was a struggle because the social services insisted he had 'capacity' and could just go home. It was a crazy situation and I totally lost it when he was in hospital and shouted at the social worker - not normal for me, but by golly did it have an effect.

He died a couple of years ago now, so she was finally free of him at 90 years of age after 68 years of marriage, only to get dementia and we are now having issues with her care.

Sorry I can't be more helpful but the situation is an impossible one where you have to fight tooth and nail and be bloody difficult every step of the way.

Good luck and I sincerely hope you can resolve the issues.

Defenestrator · 30/09/2019 21:51

That is so sad Fatpotato. I'm sorry Thanks

Fatpotato · 30/09/2019 21:58

Thank you - it's so sad that elderly people can't access the help that they desperately need. I feel for people who don't have bolshy children like me!

Nomintrude · 04/10/2019 15:36

Oh Fatpotato, I'm sorry to hear about what you've been through with your parents. It's tragic, and this issue with having supposed capacity i.e. carte blanche to ruin other people's lives, is frankly scandalous.
FIL went back home as planned on Monday and MIL has been amazingly strong despite what sounds like relentless abuse on his part. Despite 'not needing carers', he can't wash himself properly and is calling her every name under the sun because she won't do it. We just had her on the phone because he's walking around with his walking frame, completely naked, calling her a shit for not helping him! AngryAngry

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NewMe2019 · 04/10/2019 16:32

Urgh. What a vile piece of shit he is. Can't your DH read him the riot act and tell him he didn't need to carers so he can do these things and that he won't tolerate his mum being treated like this? Bullies often cower when confronted and he sounds like a vile bully.

Nomintrude · 04/10/2019 16:40

The trouble is he'll get all emotional and apologise but it won't make any difference to his behaviour. I really think it must be dementia related, it's all so bizarre.

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