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Teenage son doesn't want to see father/his family - I'm being blamed for it

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contrary13 · 06/08/2019 09:48

That's it, really. In a nutshell, my 14 year old son has decided that he no longer wants to spend any time with his father, or his father's side of his family. I don't know why. But my ex-MIL is very determined that I'm somehow withholding him from them.

Some background, so as not to dripfeed. My ex and I have known one another since the start of senior school - so over 30 years now. We have 14 year DS together, he raised my 23 year old DD from before she can actually remember, until we split, 10 years ago. He cheated. I got a phonecall one morning, after he'd taken DS out for a "father/son day" to tell me that his girlfriend (whom toddler son had tried to tell me about, but when I questioned my ex, he denounced son as a liar) had given birth to their baby that morning, and he and DS were off to the local hospital to visit "his new sister". I kept things amicable, for the sake of the children - and the OW married him 7 months later. DS and DD weren't invited to the wedding. He hasn't spoken to DD since he left, 10 years ago, and the contact/access agreement for DS is (?was) 18 hours a month. Every other Saturday. I have never stopped phone contact (ex and his family simply couldn't be bothered) or DS from seeing any of them (apart from when he had chicken pox and his stepmother was pregnant with second child - and for a while after ex's mother gave him a life-changing head injury, left him severely concussed without treatment for several hours, then brought him home to me, with a gaping, still bleeding wound on his forehead, having smashed just above the bridge of his 6 year old nose with a metal tennis racket as she swung it to knock a ball around on their lawn...). They use my son as an unpaid babysitter for his younger siblings and cousins (from 10 down to 11 months) and from the little he's told me, still aren't great at hearing anything said which doesn't fit into their narrative.

Since he's refused to see them, they've taken to calling on days outside of their agreed contact times - which is fine; it's the summer holidays, and I understand that they miss him. What isn't fine, however, is he refuses point blank to talk to them, I have no clue as to why he's shut down all forms of contact with/access to him... and they're literally telling me that I am "seemingly deliberately preventing" them from seeing/talking to him. I'm not. If he said to me that he wanted to see them? I'd drive him there, myself. His father lives 10 minutes walk away from us, his grandparents 25-ish minutes walk, and his paternal aunt? Four streets away from us. Yesterday, ex's mother was trying to wheedle me into agreeing to my son and "his friends" going round there... and she wasn't hearing me say: "he knows this...!!!".

He's old enough to make his own choices. I support his right to make those choices for himself - and I have explained to him that cutting off one side of his family completely at 14 isn't necessarily the best choice... I've also tried to explain to him that if he communicates about why he doesn't want to see them, then steps can be made to address whatever's happened - but he clams up, shuts down, refuses to engage.

I'm at my wits end with this. 8 'phone calls yesterday were made to me by my ex's mother. My ex? Well, according to his mother he misses our son desperately - but he's not been in touch. My son admitted last night that he's blocked all of their numbers on his mobile 'phone, which undoubtedly hasn't helped... but I don't know what to do. I can't physically force him to see them, and I'd feel a hypocrite if I tried, because I've always told him that he has the right to make decisions about who he wants in his life, himself - especially as he's older. I've actually done my utmost to remove myself from the equation as much as possible, once he seemed capable of organising himself/the time he spent with them. He knows that as long as I know, roughly, where he is and what time he's back - he can see his father and that side of his family as much as he wants.

He simply doesn't seem to want to.

He's not angry with them, I don't think, or been offended/hurt by them. I know he'd tell me if they'd upset me, because he knows I will always be in his corner. He simply won't engage with them... so they're hassling me. And not listening to my trying to tell them that I understand, I don't know what's going on anymore than they do, but the more they try to push him, the more likely he is to make a choice which will hurt him - and them. He'll dig his heels in. I don't want that. But I also don't want them to keep harrassing me to the point where whenever my phone rings, I feel heart-palpitating, stomach sinking dread.

Does anyone have any ideas? On how to get them to respect my son's right to choose, how to listen to him/me when we're saying something they don't want to hear, or simply to grasp the concept that I am not preventing him from seeing/speaking to them... but that right now, he just doesn't want to?

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hormonesorDHbeingadick · 06/08/2019 09:53

Send DH and MIL a message saying at the moment DS does not want to see them and you don’t know why and you will continue to encourage him to make contact with them.

Stop answering their calls. If they text either don’t reply to resend the original message. Once a week ask DS if he wants to see his Dad’s family.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 09:55

EDIT: "... if they'd upset him" that should read, not "if they'd upset me" (they do upset me, frequently, but he's still - I hope - unaware of that fact).

I'd also like to add that I've never badmouthed any of them to or in front of him, I get on with his stepmother (she's lovely, and couldn't be kinder to him), and... I just don't know what's happened/going on. It's put me in an awkward situation, though, because I don't know what's happened/going on, am actually being blamed for doing something which I'm actually not doing, and don't know how to address this so that my son is happy.

Because that's what matters most in this: my son's happiness. Not theirs. I mean, their happiness is seemingly what's more important to them - their happiness, their wants, their demands... but to me? My son is what matters most in this situation.

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OurChristmasMiracle · 06/08/2019 09:55

Sounds like he’s had enough of being an unpaid baby sitter. His dad doesn’t make any effort to maintain contact and he probably feels they only want contact with him on their terms

I would block your ex MIL number after saying to her that contact is between you and ds’s dad not the rest of the family and at current ds doesn’t want to speak to them and honestly them putting pressure on you isn’t going to change it.

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/08/2019 09:59

For some reason he’s made his feelings completely clear. 14 is a tricky age, obviously maturing and knowing your own mind more but you’re right that cutting off his relationship with his dad is a big deal.

What you don't have to put up with is what’s bordering on harassment from your ex MIL or any other relatives. 8 calls?! I’d block her number now and keep chatting to your son who can contact his dad when he feels ready. His dad hasn’t even bothered to get in touch and it’s between you as the parents and your son. Not your job to be fielding incessant communication from the others.

TatianaLarina · 06/08/2019 10:07

Send DH and MIL a message saying at the moment DS does not want to see them and you don’t know why and you will continue to encourage him to make contact with them.

Yes.

DonPablo · 06/08/2019 10:07

Just goneothbwhat your son wants. Show him you've got his back. Don't encourage or discourage contact, just let him be.

Tell the in laws that you don't know what's going on, but you do know what your son is saying and that's no more contact for now. So that's that. Be direct, not apologetic.

And once you've explained, block their numbers or put them on do not disturb or whatever so you're not being harassed.

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TatianaLarina · 06/08/2019 10:08

You could say that you’ve tried to get him to talk about his change in attitude but he won’t. Suggest that if everyone gives him a bit of space he may change his mind or at least open up as to why he feels this way.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 10:20

Thank you all.

"Send DH and MIL a message saying at the moment DS does not want to see them and you don’t know why and you will continue to encourage him to make contact with them"

I did that, verbally, to ex's mother yesterday. She stuttered out "oh... er... but you won't let us talk to him!" Couldn't understand that everytime he knows it's them on the 'phone - he removes himself, physically, from the room. It's not me stopping him from talking to them - it's him not wanting to, for whatever reasons.

I can't block their number because I still want this to be amicable - but I have ignored the three calls ex's parents have made this morning. I did get one unknown number call, but when I answered, there was a hanging-up on the other end, so...

"14 is a tricky age, obviously maturing and knowing your own mind more but you’re right that cutting off his relationship with his dad is a big deal."

It is, yes. I don't want my son to sever those ties now - and then regret it in a few years time. I've always taken the stance that ex left me, not our son (my daughter is a different, trickier kettle of fish), and that his Dad loves him. I know my ex does love our son... I just wonder if they simply don't understand him. He's very much my mini-me, and they never understood me, so, it wouldn't surprise me. He likes gaming, and reading, and academia... they like sports, and fresh air, and I know ex stopped reading when we were 16 and he left school!

I've done my utmost to facilitate my son having a relationship with them. I shoved my own anger, and broken heart down inside of me, so that my children could have a relationship with all of them. But this isn't about me. It's about why my 14 year old has suddenly made a decision that will undoubtedly have long reaching consequences for him.

Ex won't be in contact. I know that. If his mother hadn't forced him to tell me about the newborn baby 10 years ago, I suspect he would still be maintaining two relationships. He's that sort of bloke.

Ultimately, though, I want to support my son... but if I don't know what's happened/going on, and I'm the one being blamed for this situation which I actually have nothing (or very little) to do with - then what the fuck am I expected to do? Wave a magic wand and force my 6' son who is physically stronger than I (and more stubborn) to spend time feeling miserable just to make them happy? Because I can't... and even if I could; I wouldn't.

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Windygate · 06/08/2019 10:22

Your EX is free to take the matter to court. Assuming your son has the capacity to make decisions he will get a chance to tell the judge his wishes.
Is there someone, may be a counsellor, who DS would confide in?

VimFuego101 · 06/08/2019 10:28

It sounds like even if you did force your son to explain his reasoning, they would just rewrite the whole story in a way that didn't make them the bad guy and deny/ minimize. It sounds like your son's reasoning is valid. My only concern would be that they might show up at your house if he doesn't respond to their phone calls.

VimFuego101 · 06/08/2019 10:28

It sounds like even if you did force your son to explain his reasoning, they would just rewrite the whole story in a way that didn't make them the bad guy and deny/ minimize. It sounds like your son's reasoning is valid. My only concern would be that they might show up at your house if he doesn't respond to their phone calls.

AgentJohnson · 06/08/2019 10:33

I couldn’t give two f*%#ks what your Ex has to say, given his shitty behaviour. However your son is/ was clearly troubled by something in their relationship. I would tell your son that you’ll handle his Dad and Gran but talking about issues is a healthy thing to do and I would suggest you contact a Phycologist to support him navigating his emotions.

Musti · 06/08/2019 10:43

14 is a tricky age. I would write to your in laws and tell them one last time that you are encouraging your son to see his dad's side of the family but for the moment he doesn't feel he wants to bit you will no longer communicate about this because there is nothing you can do. I know that mine at that age, spent most of their time doing stuff with their friends or they were in their room. So I can imagine that having to go and spend time with his family is the last thing he wants to do, whereas at yours he can chill and do what he wants.

I would encourage your son to still see his family but to cut it down to a few hours instead of a whole day. Much more manageable then, still keeps the bridges open and them off your back.

RandomMess · 06/08/2019 10:52

Tell Ex-MIL to stop harassing you and block her!

user1494670108 · 06/08/2019 10:53

You're trying very hard to maintain a relationship but at 14 your ds is old enough to cut contact for a while - that doesn't mean it will be permanent.
I would block the mother's number as she is harassing you and keep ds's fathers number so that if HE wants to contact you or ds he can. Tell them you are doing this and why and keep a log of the calls they have made so far, it sounds really stressful.

user1494670108 · 06/08/2019 10:53

You're trying very hard to maintain a relationship but at 14 your ds is old enough to cut contact for a while - that doesn't mean it will be permanent.
I would block the mother's number as she is harassing you and keep ds's fathers number so that if HE wants to contact you or ds he can. Tell them you are doing this and why and keep a log of the calls they have made so far, it sounds really stressful.

user1494670108 · 06/08/2019 10:53

You're trying very hard to maintain a relationship but at 14 your ds is old enough to cut contact for a while - that doesn't mean it will be permanent.
I would block the mother's number as she is harassing you and keep ds's fathers number so that if HE wants to contact you or ds he can. Tell them you are doing this and why and keep a log of the calls they have made so far, it sounds really stressful.

Lolapusht · 06/08/2019 10:54

Get a cheap mobile, give them all the number and tell them to contact you on that number then block them. Check “their” phone maybe once or twice a day.

You’ve told them your son doesn’t want to speak to them and that he needs some time but they’re not willing to give him space (sounds more like ex-MIL than anyone! 8 phone calls in one day?! What did she think would have changed, especially as I’m assuming that you told her the same thing each time you spoke to her). If your ex wants contact then he can listen to your son and and try to fix the relationship.

I’d try and help your son vocalise what the issue is. Have you told him that they’re contacting you but you’ve said he doesn’t want to speak to them? Let him know you’ve got his back and that you’re not going to force the issue.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 10:57

Windy - when they gave my son a head injury and did nothing to seek hospital/medical treatment for him for several hours, then couldn't understand why I was so furious with them, I did stop contact and tell them that if they wanted to... they could go through legal channels. My son's contact with them was resumed because he wanted to see them, after a couple of months. They did nothing about taking me to court. They won't now, either. Realistically, I know that they simply can't be bothered, other than making a show about being seen to be one big "happy family". My son is, for whatever reasons, making some sort of stand... and they can't seem to respect that.

Vim - I have to confess that I'm concerned they'll just show up, too. Ex's mother did suggest yesterday in one of her calls "oh, well, I'll just pop round and have a chat with him..." - but did seem to hear my very firm: "No. You won't. This is his home. He has the right for his safe space to be respected." Although maybe she thinks I might call the police and have her removed if she shows up - because, goodness, could she explain being arrested/moved on by the police to her social circle...? (I say that only half-sarcastically, by the way). And you're right. They won't hear what is being said, this is already being rewritten in their narrative as my withholding him (I have broad shoulders; I just want to know why this is happening and whether my son is okay!), and if/when he resumes contact with them, they'll undoubtedly just rub his nose in "all the fun things" he's missed (ie, two hours at the local petting zoo with his 5 and 1 year old cousins, whom he'll have had to prevent from falling into the duckpond/being bitten by a savage pony, because the grandparents have wandered off to fake-laugh with complete strangers about how fantastic they are for taking their children's children out "for the day"... yes; this actually happened two summers ago; son was not impressed!).

Agent - Son has a counsellor already, because of his older sister's MH issues. He knows that talking - to whoever - is healthy; and he knows that he can tell me anything, and I will always have his back. It's just that - as you say - something has happened, and I have no idea/clue as to what that is/might be. I get that at 14, he just wants to hang out with his friends - but on one level, I'm anxious that they've actually done or said something awful to him, and he's too frightened to tell me. Chances are, they haven't. Realistically, he probably has had enough of being used as an unpaid babysitter/not being heard when he's trying to communicate with them. For all I know, his father's sneered at me/DD in front of him... This is it, though. I don't know. He won't talk to them; he won't tell me why. They are blaming me, for something which I blatantly have not done. I'd shoulder the blame if I were responsible for this choice he's made... but I can't, because I'm not. I've even said to him, that if he just explains to me... I'll deal with the fallout from them - but no dice.

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contrary13 · 06/08/2019 11:07

One of the reasons I can't, at the moment, block their number is because... I don't have my ex's number. He called our son once, on his 6th or 7th birthday - from his parents landline. When my son has received texts - they've been from his grandfather's mobile. I know where ex lives, but that's it. That's the way ex wants it. I figured, until my son said he'd blocked all numbers, that one of the contact numbers he had was his father's... but nope.

Lola - he knows. During the first couple of calls over the weekend, he was stood literally right next to me, but refused to talk to them. He heard everything that was said - he knows I have his back. Even though I don't know why, or what is going on, he knows I am supporting him. Now, he hears their ring-tone - and he walks out of the room. Yesterday? He walked out of the house and sat in the garden.

I'm trying to respect his right to privacy, and not hassle him... but on the other hand; if something has happened, then he needs to tell me, so that it can be sorted.

And yes; he does have the right to go LC or even NC if he wants to, at 14. He is old enough to know his own mind and make his own choices. I actually respect that. They, on the other hand... don't.

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Chloemol · 06/08/2019 11:08

I think, as others have said, it’s a text to-ex mil along the lines of son does not want contact at the moment, he physically leaves the room if I am on the phone to you. My priority has to be him, not you. All contact now has to be between son and father. Please don’t contact me again in any shape or form. I will not be responding to you

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/08/2019 11:32

You say that you've told ds he can visit them when he likes and it doesn't have to be for a full day. But given how your mil is reacting I wonder if he's being put under pressure a lot to spend more time with them than he wishes, and it's built a massive resentment along with the babysitting issue leaving him feeling like he's only wanted if he's useful.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/08/2019 11:32

You say that you've told ds he can visit them when he likes and it doesn't have to be for a full day. But given how your mil is reacting I wonder if he's being put under pressure a lot to spend more time with them than he wishes, and it's built a massive resentment along with the babysitting issue leaving him feeling like he's only wanted if he's useful.

ConfCall · 06/08/2019 12:02

I think you need to respect your son’s decision, which may or may not be permanent.

There is really no need for you to be in touch with anyone from your former family apart from your ex husband. Block the other people, they’re nothing to you. Take practical steps to simplify things.

GeorgeTheFirst · 06/08/2019 12:09

Sounds like the step mum is only of the only more sensible members of the family. Can you have a chat with her?