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Teenage son doesn't want to see father/his family - I'm being blamed for it

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contrary13 · 06/08/2019 09:48

That's it, really. In a nutshell, my 14 year old son has decided that he no longer wants to spend any time with his father, or his father's side of his family. I don't know why. But my ex-MIL is very determined that I'm somehow withholding him from them.

Some background, so as not to dripfeed. My ex and I have known one another since the start of senior school - so over 30 years now. We have 14 year DS together, he raised my 23 year old DD from before she can actually remember, until we split, 10 years ago. He cheated. I got a phonecall one morning, after he'd taken DS out for a "father/son day" to tell me that his girlfriend (whom toddler son had tried to tell me about, but when I questioned my ex, he denounced son as a liar) had given birth to their baby that morning, and he and DS were off to the local hospital to visit "his new sister". I kept things amicable, for the sake of the children - and the OW married him 7 months later. DS and DD weren't invited to the wedding. He hasn't spoken to DD since he left, 10 years ago, and the contact/access agreement for DS is (?was) 18 hours a month. Every other Saturday. I have never stopped phone contact (ex and his family simply couldn't be bothered) or DS from seeing any of them (apart from when he had chicken pox and his stepmother was pregnant with second child - and for a while after ex's mother gave him a life-changing head injury, left him severely concussed without treatment for several hours, then brought him home to me, with a gaping, still bleeding wound on his forehead, having smashed just above the bridge of his 6 year old nose with a metal tennis racket as she swung it to knock a ball around on their lawn...). They use my son as an unpaid babysitter for his younger siblings and cousins (from 10 down to 11 months) and from the little he's told me, still aren't great at hearing anything said which doesn't fit into their narrative.

Since he's refused to see them, they've taken to calling on days outside of their agreed contact times - which is fine; it's the summer holidays, and I understand that they miss him. What isn't fine, however, is he refuses point blank to talk to them, I have no clue as to why he's shut down all forms of contact with/access to him... and they're literally telling me that I am "seemingly deliberately preventing" them from seeing/talking to him. I'm not. If he said to me that he wanted to see them? I'd drive him there, myself. His father lives 10 minutes walk away from us, his grandparents 25-ish minutes walk, and his paternal aunt? Four streets away from us. Yesterday, ex's mother was trying to wheedle me into agreeing to my son and "his friends" going round there... and she wasn't hearing me say: "he knows this...!!!".

He's old enough to make his own choices. I support his right to make those choices for himself - and I have explained to him that cutting off one side of his family completely at 14 isn't necessarily the best choice... I've also tried to explain to him that if he communicates about why he doesn't want to see them, then steps can be made to address whatever's happened - but he clams up, shuts down, refuses to engage.

I'm at my wits end with this. 8 'phone calls yesterday were made to me by my ex's mother. My ex? Well, according to his mother he misses our son desperately - but he's not been in touch. My son admitted last night that he's blocked all of their numbers on his mobile 'phone, which undoubtedly hasn't helped... but I don't know what to do. I can't physically force him to see them, and I'd feel a hypocrite if I tried, because I've always told him that he has the right to make decisions about who he wants in his life, himself - especially as he's older. I've actually done my utmost to remove myself from the equation as much as possible, once he seemed capable of organising himself/the time he spent with them. He knows that as long as I know, roughly, where he is and what time he's back - he can see his father and that side of his family as much as he wants.

He simply doesn't seem to want to.

He's not angry with them, I don't think, or been offended/hurt by them. I know he'd tell me if they'd upset me, because he knows I will always be in his corner. He simply won't engage with them... so they're hassling me. And not listening to my trying to tell them that I understand, I don't know what's going on anymore than they do, but the more they try to push him, the more likely he is to make a choice which will hurt him - and them. He'll dig his heels in. I don't want that. But I also don't want them to keep harrassing me to the point where whenever my phone rings, I feel heart-palpitating, stomach sinking dread.

Does anyone have any ideas? On how to get them to respect my son's right to choose, how to listen to him/me when we're saying something they don't want to hear, or simply to grasp the concept that I am not preventing him from seeing/speaking to them... but that right now, he just doesn't want to?

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GeorgeTheFirst · 06/08/2019 12:09

Sounds like the step mum is only of the only more sensible members of the family. Can you have a chat with her?

SeaToSki · 06/08/2019 12:25

Maybe contact your exMIL and say DS isnt interested etc and wont tell you why, you are going to try and get to the bottom of it but her hassling you is not helping. You will be back in touch in a week to give her an update and she is to give you as DS some space in the meantime. Then block her number for the week

However if DS is so adamant and MIL is so frantic I would be very worried that something specific has happened that has upset DS and I would hazard a guess that the something was directed at you (or DD) since he wont tell you anything. At about that age teens become very protective of their Mums and aware that they can have a role in being a ‘protector’ of the family rather than just being a child and the one that is ‘protected’. It sounds like MIL is desperate to speak to DS to ‘explain’ or rationalise what he heard or saw to cover up her ‘mistake’

BarbedBloom · 06/08/2019 12:31

I think it doesn't matter why really, he has made his decision and you need to support that. Anything else is putting too much pressure on him. Maybe they did something, maybe he is just fed up of them, but they are his relationships to manage.

What you do need to do is manage your own relationship with them. You would be fine to refuse to engage with them from now on as at 14, he can sort things himself when and if he wants to. If they are harassing you then separate that from your sons relationship with them and deal with it. If they come round ask them to leave or you will call the police. By constantly revisiting his decision you are putting pressure on both of you. I would send one message stating you don't know why but your son doesn't want a relationship with them and if he does, he will contact them. Then block their numbers.

It doesn't matter what they think because you are not their family anymore. 🌷

Northernparent68 · 06/08/2019 12:54

Is there a third party who could intervene, some one from your family ?

Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 12:56

You mon about how they don't listen to you but you're not listening to your son.
At 14 he's well aware of how he's been treated by them and has every right to CO.

You need to respect his wishes and stop trying to talk him around and bend to your will. Block your Ex MIL and tell her that she is not to harass you anymore.

ZzzMarchhare · 06/08/2019 13:09

Have you directly asked MIL what has happened? I bet she does know and is trying to minimise her role in an argument

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 13:24

Contraception - "You mon about how they don't listen to you but you're not listening to your son. At 14 he's well aware of how he's been treated by them and has every right to CO."

Firstly, I'm not moaning about how they don't listen to me... I'm "moaning" because I am concerned that they are not listening to/respecting my son's wishes - and I am caught in that awkward situation of not knowing what the fuck is going on, or why!

Also, may I refer you to every single one of my previous posts where you have failed to comprehend that I actually am respecting his wishes. I am not forcing him to speak to them, I am telling them that they need to respect his space/wishes, BUT I am also trying to say to him "you need to not make any rash decisions, and I'm here if/when you need to communicate why this is happening".

"You need to respect his wishes and stop trying to talk him around and bend to your will. Block your Ex MIL and tell her that she is not to harass you anymore."

I'm not trying to "talk him around" and I am certainly not trying to bend him to MY will. In fact - quote me where I have said anything other than "I don't know why this is happening, I have asked him, he won't tell me, he won't talk to them, they are hassling/blaming me, I don't understand why!".

Further, if I block my ex's mother... that will permanently close down any access that my son has to communicate with his father. Okay? Did you miss where I said that I assumed my son had his father's mobile number? He doesn't. He's never had it. I don't have/have never had it since I cancelled the one which I paid for when I realised what he'd been up to, 10 years ago! The only communication? Involves either my ex's parents landline, or my ex's father's mobile number.

I will NOT close down a route of potential communication as/should/when my son change his mind.

Further - try comprehending what you're reading, and don't accuse me of moaning, when I'm absolutely bewildered as to why this has happened, and very concerned they've actually done or said something to my 14 year old son!

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contrary13 · 06/08/2019 13:30

Zzz - yes. She claims ignorance.

There isn't a third party who could intervene, because over the years, they have proven that they simply won't listen/cannot comprehend anything that paints them as fantastic grandparents. They badly hurt my son - and couldn't understand why I "raised my voice" (in shock) when he was returned to me, dazed, crying, bleeding profusely from a gaping wound (which required 5 stitches and has left a scar, not to mention a neurological problem for which he is still under a paeds consultant for), having not bothered to inform/warn me. THAT is what they are like.

I have muted their ring-tone; currently on 9 calls and it's half-1 now. I've not answered any, and no voicemail has been left. My son is out with his friends right now. Being a carefree 14 year old. But even now, he knows that if he wants to wander up to them? He only has to call and tell me...

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 13:30

and I have explained to him that cutting off one side of his family completely at 14 isn't necessarily the best choice

This could come across as you pressuring him.

You should block them. They live a stones throw away so he's not going to have to exactly hunt them down in the future is he?

You don't want this woman to continue to harass you. Your son didn't either. So he did something pro active about it.

ConfCall · 06/08/2019 13:37

Can’t you keep a written record of their numbers in case he changes his mind? Don’t they have social media or email?

You seem to be making a meal of this tbh. Just write down their contact details, block them and get on with your life.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 13:40

@ConfCall shows how way to reliant I am on technology 😂 I didn't even think of using an actual pen and paper to secure the number.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 13:44

"his could come across as you pressuring him."

Erm, it could also be my saying to him not to make a rash decision that he might regret... He's 14. He chops and changes his mind like every single other teenager out there. I did likewise at his age. I simply want him to keep his options open for his own sake. I'm not hounding him every hour of the day "why is this happening?! What have they done to you?! Tell me!!!", for crying out loud. I could be. I could be treating him, the way his father's mother is treating me!

If I definitively knew why he was/is/has making/made this choice? I could tell them and they could either figure out how to fix it themselves, or leave him the hell alone. But I don't. And that is why I made this post! But to imply... no; to outright state that I am pressuring him, and not respecting his choice - when I have consistently, repeatedly said that I am backing him, even though I am being blamed without knowing what it is that caused him to not want to see them? Well...

Walk a mile.

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 13:46

I read your post and I can understand why at 14 he wants to cut them off.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 13:47

I could be. I could be treating him, the way his father's mother is treating me!

You're starting to sound like you're enjoying the drama.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 13:52

Conf - I have no idea if they have social media. I have tried my utmost to remove myself from this "relationship" for the past 12+ months now. As soon as my son seemed organised enough to sort his relationship out with them - although I kept their number on my 'phone, in case something happened to my son and I needed to inform them, I have left them to it. It worked... and then it didn't, and I am being erroneously blamed for something that I am not actually at fault for.

Asking for support and advice, from other mothers, in getting my teenage son to open up and communicate is not making a meal out of it. If you think that it is... well; fortunate you.

Thank you though, for your helpful advice. I, the Luddite that I actually am, already keep an address book - but as their landline hasn't changed in the 30+ years that I've known them... I doubt very much that I'd suddenly not know it. His grandfather's mobile number however? I've never had. If my son suddenly wants it, then I suspect he'll have to ask them...

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contrary13 · 06/08/2019 13:56

"You're starting to sound like you're enjoying the drama"

Nope. Not at all. Again, asking for advice because I am concerned about my son is not "enjoying the drama". This isn't a drama. This is a mother who doesn't want her teenage son to make a rash decision, whilst being blamed by the people he is refusing to communicate with, without actually knowing what the fuck is going on!

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Contraceptionismyfriend · 06/08/2019 13:58

But you do know what's going on. They treated him like shit and now he doesn't want a relationship anymore. He doesn't was to divulge the nitty gritty and that's his right. You aren't entitled to that information.

So either block them. Or don't. And deal with the harassment.

KevinKlineSwoon · 06/08/2019 14:01

This thread is everything I dislike about Mumsnet.

OP I think the advice of telling your ExMil that you don't know what is happening but are trying to get to the bottom of it is good. Tell her you think he might need some space for a while...then tell your DS you are there if he needs you and leave it alone.
My DD doesn't want to see her dad either and I am threatened with court and no child-support regularly so I absolutely know how you feel.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 06/08/2019 14:11

Send DH and MIL a message saying at the moment DS does not want to see them and you don’t know why and you will continue to encourage him to make contact with them.

I know you've told your MIL this verbally, but please text/email it as well so you have written proof in case they ever try to deny it. Then you can definitely block their number, as they really are harassing you. As a PP said, you only need to maintain contact with your ex as he's your son's father - and as he doesn't bother, that's the end of the matter.

RantyAnty · 06/08/2019 14:15

ffs just block the annoying cow and get on with your life.

They all live within walking distance so it is not like he can't just go over there if he felt like it in the future. You clearly know their phone if you needed to get in touch.

You are making too much of this. He doesn't want anything to do with them. He's blocked them. It's his decision. Respect his decision and leave it alone. You're calling it a rash decision. It isn't. They've treated him like crap. His father can't be bothered. Your DS may change his mind in a month or a year. It's his choice. Respect his decision.

contrary13 · 06/08/2019 14:31

Kevin - done all that. Did it yesterday, did it last week, have muted their ring-tone (but can still see how many calls they're making), have told them he's physically walking out, have told them I don't know why, or what is going on, have stated they aren't to turn up, but are to give him the space he needs, have said that he knows he can turn up/call them (he always has known this, in fairness), have reminded them that he's 14...

And yet they keep going.

I've done my utmost to allow him to manage his relationships with that side of his family for the past year or so - because he's growing up, and I really don't want it to end up where he's an adult, and it's all still going through me, y'know? They left me alone for a good long while... and now this. This is apparently all my fault/doing. Which, if my son wants me to shoulder the blame? I'll do so if it eases his own load... but I think I have a right to know what, precisely, it is that I'm being blamed for. Sorry, but I do. It's very difficult to have a conversation where you're being told you're doing X, Y and Z, where you know for a fact that you have no clue what the other person is actually talking about, because you've done A, B and C, instead. I was told, yesterday, when I said that my son had physically left the house, having heard the demand to talk to him (they were on speakerphone because I was working), that I am "deliberately preventing [them] from having contact with him". Erm... no; I'm really not.

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Everafter1 · 06/08/2019 14:31

Speaking from the perspective of once being the child in that scenario, they're making a rod for their own back!
They will blame you because that's easier for them. They'll blame your son when he's old enough. Anything to deflect from themselves.
Their behaviour is solidifying your sons reasons to stay away. He must be a good judge of character.

M0RVEN · 06/08/2019 14:39

They keep going on at you because you keep replying and giving them more information and trying to get them to agree with you and see how reasonable you are.

Stop talking to them and respect your sons decision. And accept that they WILL blame you. They have to, because the alternative explanations are too difficult.

pebblemix · 06/08/2019 14:48

He’s 14. He’s a teen with his own mind. Nothing to do with you. As a comparison my best mate has a 14 year old DS who I’ve known since birth and see constantly. We are extremely close. He hit 13 and didn’t want to know. He might say hello if I go to visit. It is what it is. Kids that age go through stuff. What you don’t do is put adult pressure on them. Leave him be. I’d suggest getting him a cheap as chips pay as you go phone with just their numbers in. No internet. Not contract. Give them the number. Say “to solve this problem he now has his own phone that is permanently charged and only has your numbers in. I have no access to that phone. He is nearly an adult and this is now his and your responsibility to sort out contact. Here is his number. Please do not contact me directly again. From now on, all contact goes through his phone. Good luck and best wishes” then block them. Leave them to it. Good luck to them if they want to take it to court. They’d be laughed out of the room. I’d be interested to see how they’re going to force him to see them if he doesn’t want to. Sit back, grab a bag of popcorn and leave them to it.

picklemepopcorn · 06/08/2019 15:06

Ask him to write to them saying he doesn't want to be in touch at the moment, but they can communicate through his father if he'll share his number.
Then block all numbers.

They can always send you a letter if it's important.

You are talking about the family of a man who WONT EVEN GIVE YOU AND HIS SON HIS PHONE NUMBER. They have no write to expect to contact you directly.

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