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Driven to exhaustion and madness by female narcissist, your opinion please

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 09:15

Hello everyone, I would love to have some advice, please. I have been in an on and off relationship with a woman for 12 years.
We have a daughter together and I have always done my best to be the best partner and father.
I have had to put up with a lot over the last 12 years, she spends every single Christmas and New Year with her mother, who refuses to invite me over because she has been told lies about me by my partner, she too is a narcissist which probably explains why her daughter (my partner) is one. She spends my birthday with her mother too, so for 12 years, I have ended up spending my birthday alone or with my daughter. She has lied to her mother and says we are not in a relationship, we can't go out or do anything public like as a normal couple would, she gets my daughter to lie to her grandmother and say she never stays at my home, but in reality, even though she has her own place, she has stayed with me basically fulltime. She lays in bed until 11 am on the days she is not working, I do all the housework, cook the dinners, do the school run, all the food shopping all of which I have to fit in around my own work.
She gets treated like a queen, I make coffee every morning and take it up to her, on the weekend I make breakfast and take it to her in bed.
I have also helped her financially over the last 12 years and also getting her out of trouble with debt collection agencies. I have purchased a car for her, paid for car repairs, MOT, car tax and insurance. I have probably spent close to £40 000 sorting her life out for her.

I am not perfect but I am a good man and father and do everything for her, I am always on the end of a phone when she needs money or needs me to help her, but her phone is constantly on silent and she is very secretive. She never answers the phone the first time when you call her she is the most difficult person to get hold of when she is out.

She has left me twice before, just coldheartedly one day said she is moving out but could give me no reason why. She has the ability to just flick a switch and treat me as if I never existed, she breaks my heart and when I try and talk to her calmly about it, she just stares blankly at the wall and says she can't give me a reason why. If she eventually does talk, she usually will turn it all around on me and make me feel worthless and as if it is all my fault.

The first time she left me and moved out, she ended up being evicted and I allowed her to come back and stay with me, yes I know that is stupid, but I loved her and she is the mother of my daughter. She then moved out again with no explanation. However, every time she moves out, within a few months, she is contacting me again and we end up back in this weird "relationship" where it is a secret and I am back to doing everything for her again.

Over the last two years, I have been asking her to sort this out, we can't keep living like this, where our relationship is a secret and we can't be a normal family. She recently got evicted again from where she moved the last time she left me, and I have allowed her back to live with me and my daughter. Yes, my daughter prefers to live with me than her mother, her mother doesn't treat her very well.

So she lives with me again, she has accepted all the love and help I give her, she has one of the easiest lives a woman could have. I told her that after 12 years of this I am tired of living like this and it is time to sort this out, I just want a normal life with a woman, not a secret relationship, it causes anxiety every single day, she does what suits her and never what is good for her daughter or relationship. Over the last three months of her living with me, I have asked her to please tell me what I can do to help her sort out all these lies she has told about me to her mother, so we can just live a normal life and start moving forward instead of being stuck in this rut. She just stared blankly again and said she is going to move out for the THIRD time. She said she can't give me a reason why and that she knows I do everything for her but that is not her problem, and she can't undo all the lies she has told her mother and others because I am not worth the trouble it would cause her.

So she has gone from being evicted and me helping her once again, to now leaving. She has suspiciously gone from not being able to pay an £850 a month rent, to now moving into a £1400 a month house on her own. She is moving out on Sunday and she just lays in bed, watching TV, not doing anything as usual and acting as if she is doing nothing wrong. My daughter does not want to live with her so she is staying with me, and she is disgusted in her mother's behaviour towards me.

So after typing all this out, I can see myself I am with a toxic narcissistic person, but they have a way of making you feel lost without them, they can just break your heart over and over again, but you still try and hold onto them. It is almost as if she is enjoying watching me be in pain for this to happen again, it is like she enjoys destroying me.
I need to go no contact with her this time because every other time she has left me she comes back in a couple of months and I stupidly allow her to.
I feel like a complete mug, I have once again been used and now I am being discarded again and if you could see how coldhearted she is about it you would be astounded.
It has driven me to the point of mental exhaustion and I feel as if it is all my fault, but I know logically it isn't.

Is this how a relationship is? She tries to convince me that this is the norm and not everyone has the "perfect" relationship I am asking for. I am not asking for a "perfect" relationship, I just want a normal one, one where you feel appreciated and loved, and the person you are with is not going to leave you every few years and use you. Over the last 12 years, there has not been one week where I have not done something for her, even when she left me I have given all of my time, money and love to her no matter what she did to me.

I have to be strong this time and cut her off completely. I need to wake up and realise that I have a lot to offer and I can be in a normal relationship. If anyone has any ideas on how I can do this, I would really appreciate a woman's point of view on this would be very valuable to me, thank you for reading my post.

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LittleDoll · 01/08/2019 11:09

She sounds like my partners ex. Please dont allow this waste of oxygen back.

AgentTripleXXX · 01/08/2019 11:31

Hi,

Same dynamic between my DP and his ExW. Not the 'secret relationship ' stuff - that's deeply, deeply weird - but the same abusive helplessness, the leaving, the being waited on, the walking on eggshells.

Stop putting your poor daughter through this madness and get the child (and you) some therapy.

What stopped DP from having her bulldoze herself back into his life a third time was that by then he'd met me. She was Shock that he didn't choose her.

Oh and those absences, where she left him and the DC? She was with other men.

Her main presenting issue is actually alcohol addiction. But she can't be rescued, can't be saved, can't be changed. Yes she's the mother of DP's children and she had a shitty upbringing but she's a shit parent and as an adult she's the architect of her own destruction.

Your (hopefully Ex) partner is the same. Give it up and look after your DD.

ThePhoenixRises · 01/08/2019 11:41

Can you do the Freedom program from Womans aid?

Please don't allow her to come back this time.

boldspear · 01/08/2019 13:51

Thank you LittleDoll, I am fighting the thoughts not to, I am doing everything I can to cut her off completely when she leaves on Sunday.
Thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.

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MoseShrute · 01/08/2019 13:55

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 13:55

Thank you AgentTripleXXX, it sounds like your partner's ex put him through hell too.
I have allowed her to ruin my health and mental health and enough is enough. If I allow her back in a fourth time it may end up killing me.
There is so much more to the story, but my post was already long so I just posted about the most common daily stuff she does, but she is a lot worse. Nobody has to just take my word for it, my daughter would tell anyone how she is. Thank you for taking the time to comment and tell me your partner's experience, I appreciate it, it makes me feel not so alone in this.

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 13:59

Thank you ThePhoenixRises, I don't think I will be able to do anything with Women's Aid because I am a man.
As of now, I am determined to not allow her back in, my daughter and I are so much better off without her, which is such a sad thing to have to say, but it's the truth. I never wanted this, I have done everything to the point of exhaustion to prove myself, only to realise that I should not have to constantly prove myself to someone. I appreciate your comment, thank you.

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SandAndSea · 01/08/2019 13:59

She sounds awful! This is not a recipe for a happy life. I would let her move out.

boldspear · 01/08/2019 14:01

@MoseShrute, thank you for that very sound advice, you are right, she will never change, she only cares about herself and does not care at all how she makes anyone feel, she doesn't seem to have the ability to empathise at all. I am not going to allow her to come back this time, this is too much to bear and I need to heal from this. Thank you so much for your comment, I appreciate it.

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 14:03

Thank you @AgentTripleXXX, @LittleDoll, @ThePhoenixRises, I have written replies to you but forgot to put the @ in front of your user name.

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 14:10

@SandAndSea, she is definitely moving out, and she has a smirk on her face all the time, she is loving it that it is bothering me, it is almost psychopathic behaviour. I have given up trying to talk to her, and just letting her get on with it. I just cannot wait for Sunday to come and I can start over again and cut her off for good. I am so looking forward to a normal life, one where I can go out in public and enjoy life, go on holiday with someone and not just with my daughter, it been an absolute nightmare, to be honest, its been my own fault because I allowed it and should have never let her back in the first time, but I loved her and you ignore things when you love someone. Thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.

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SandAndSea · 01/08/2019 14:16

No worries. I gave you a brief comment because I wanted to get to the crux of it in the hope that you might be able to really hear it.

Please don't spend another 12 years like this. You can choose in favour of happiness. Please do this for you and your daughter.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 01/08/2019 14:24

She sounds utterly horrific.

Everyone will say the same - you and your daughter deserve so much better than this. I'm glad your daughter is staying with you, sounds like she will be much happier and have much more stability.

Please do not accept this woman back into your life.

She is counting on you bailing her out and having her back at some point - do not!
I can see why you would have done this before with your daughter caught up in the midst, but that won't apply in future.
When she does you can enjoy the satisfaction of giving her the shock of her life when you refuse, having moved on.

I agree you should go no contact if possible, although presumably she will want contact with your daughter?

Let her smirk - what she doesn't know is you are counting down the days until this piece of shit is out of your life.

You and your daughter should do something nice on Sunday evening to celebrate 🎉

user1479305498 · 01/08/2019 14:28

She is a freakin lunatic if this is the case and an utter user. Let her sort her own shit out and be there for the child and get rid . Many women would kill for someone doing half what you do

Theworldisfullofgs · 01/08/2019 14:29

Leave.
Please leave. It will never get better. Some psychiatrists/psychotherapist wont work with someone with npd as it's so hard to treat.

See someone yourself to support you to stay away.

ThePhoenixRises · 01/08/2019 14:32

Yes you can

freedomprogramme.co.uk/hscmen.php

milksoffagain · 01/08/2019 14:55

I agree with everyone's comments and wanted to give you one more vote of support.

I would suggest read up on NPD as much as you can to reinforce your conviction never ever to allow her back. You'll see patterns that you recognise and gain insight. Sounds like you know who she is intellectually but making the leap to knowing it emotionally is what will safeguard you and your daughter and that process takes much longer. (By this I mean you know she is NPD and therefore she enjoys and feeds off watching you in pain and yet you say "almost as if " she's enjoying it - does that make sense? Get your instinctive reaction to be the one that is detached enough to set you free.

And I would love to see her expression when she realises you aren't available as Plan B!

Good luck to you; heal and enjoy your freedom; there are some wonderful women with lots of the love you deserve out there waiting for you in your future... x

Wishiknewthen · 01/08/2019 15:54

If her mother has NPD her daughter will be severely damaged herself. Her mother will ensure she wrecks all her daughter's relationships and happiness. Your DP sounds totally emeshed and terrified of her mother (hence putting her needs way above yours), though she is probably totally unaware of these things. NPD wrecks one's own ability to see and comprehend the severe abuse that they have- and continue - to suffer.
Your partner may be using you (and your love, patience, kindness and support), to project all the rage and anger she inevitably feels, onto you as she cannot direct it where it belongs i.e. her mother.
The blankness and inability to communicate with you may well be because she is frozen inside, and herself is hopelessly unable to explain what is wrong, because it is impossible for her to unravel let alone articulate it.
It is very sad but you need to protect both yourself and your daughter. Your daughter desperately needs you. She needs one parent with whom she feels safe and secure.

Howyiz · 01/08/2019 16:07

In the kindest possible way, you need therapy to work on yourself to stop you allowing people to treat you like that!

marvellousnightforamooncup · 01/08/2019 16:49

Do not let her back. Please keep posting on here if you feel yourself wavering and I'm sure Mumsnetters will try to keep you strong. Your daughter will thank you for it in the long run, but will probably lose all respect for you if you carry on as you are.

StormTreader · 01/08/2019 16:58

She must be incredibly attractive and/or much younger than you for you to keep letting her stamp all over you like this!
You speak up, she leaves, you keep running around after her, she moves back in, you wait on her hand and foot until you speak up, she leaves.....

The only way out is to accept this is who she is and theres no amount of trying or work or niceness or anything else you can do thats going to change her into who you want her to be. You need to take the pain of ending it on the chin and END IT. It'll hurt, you'll want to take her back ten times or more, but the only way out of the pain is through it.

The only way to get out from under a user is to decide for yourself that you refuse 100% to be used any more and stick to it.

CaptainJaneway62 · 01/08/2019 17:53

boldspear
What you describe is "trauma bonding"

www.goodtherapy.org/blog/10-steps-to-recovering-from-toxic-trauma-bond-0110175

You need to take every day a day at a time(even an hour). I have been where you are now and it's a nightmare to be in.
Put yourself first, protect yourself, protect your daughter.

Have everything ready to change the locks
Do not let her back in the house at any time in the future.
Block her number.
Let your daughter decide if she wants to stay in contact with her.

Basically you have to go completely NC...do not engage with her on any level.
Cut your losses. If you cannot sort out finances or bills with her before she leaves do not pursue her for anything...this is what she will be waiting for you to do.
She will probably take items that belong to you so that she can wait for you to contact her to ask for them back.
I ended up losing a lot of personal possessions, photos etc as I refused to have any contact with the abusive narc. It drove him to do insane things and I called the Police.
If you have any valuable possessions or stuff that is important to you I suggest you get it all together before sunday and ask someone outside of your home to look after it for you.
There are no lows that this type of person will not stoop to.
Good Luck in getting your life back....you will feel massively better soon just take things slowly and concentrate on your own physical and emotional wellbeing.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 01/08/2019 19:11

Hi OP. I'm glad you've posted here.

First, please don't buy the book that @ThePhoenixRises linked to. As the Amazon page (at www.amazon.co.uk/How-Hard-Can-Be-Supplement/dp/0955882753)?tag=mumsnetforu03-21 makes clear, that book is for working with male perpetrators of abuse. The Freedom Programme is not going to be useful to you, I'm afraid - it starts from the premise that abuse is a gender-based crime that is perpetrated by men, and as the programme's website makes clear, can therefore only be used with female victims, male perpetrators, and male victims of same sex abuse. They do not recognise the role of female abusers or the men they abuse. That's not to say they don't do a lot of good - they do amazing work with female victims - but are no use to men like you and me, as their approach simply doesn't recognise that form of abuse.

However, there is help available to you. I recommend calling The Mankind Initiative, who provide dedicated support for male victims. They have very limited opening hours (they are constantly scratching around for the funds to operate for just a few hours a week) but they get it. I found them excellent. Please do seek support - it sounds as though you have internalised a lot of the abuse that you have suffered, and you are going to need some help working through it.

Please make this the moment you turn things around. Do that for your daughter. No matter how you feel about what your partner does to you, you have a responsibility to put your daughter first. You two clearly have a strong bond, but you are letting her down when you keep letting this abusive woman back into your home. Witnessing abuse has a profound effect on kids. For her sake, it is time to put a stop to it.

I don't say that to criticise you - I get how hard it is to leave an abusive relationship. But let your daughter be your motivation to leave for good this time. Life gets better, I promise. I'm 3 years out the other side, and my two daughters & I are happier than ever. You can do it.

Good luck.

Windmillwhirl · 01/08/2019 19:21

Only you can change this situation for yourself. Get therapy to get and keep you strong. She's utterly vile.

crankyassnoperope · 01/08/2019 20:05

You sound like the sensible sort OP, the sort who knows the situation they're in but feels almost powerless about the whole thing. You also seem like someone who cares about being a good person and doing the right thing. So here's the thing; until you start standing up for what you know is right and growing a stronger backbone about this whole thing you are enabling her. You're the codependant partner of a narcissist and each of your personal failings keep you running back to each other - because you need to think of allowing her back as a failing. You seem the sort of person who would let yourself be a mug for a woman but not one who would be a bad guy for anyone. But for as long as you keep failing to stand up to her you're showing your daughter not one dysfunctional parent but two - that's not a "great guy" thing to do. Challenge yourself to do better - you'll end up far happier.

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