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Driven to exhaustion and madness by female narcissist, your opinion please

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boldspear · 01/08/2019 09:15

Hello everyone, I would love to have some advice, please. I have been in an on and off relationship with a woman for 12 years.
We have a daughter together and I have always done my best to be the best partner and father.
I have had to put up with a lot over the last 12 years, she spends every single Christmas and New Year with her mother, who refuses to invite me over because she has been told lies about me by my partner, she too is a narcissist which probably explains why her daughter (my partner) is one. She spends my birthday with her mother too, so for 12 years, I have ended up spending my birthday alone or with my daughter. She has lied to her mother and says we are not in a relationship, we can't go out or do anything public like as a normal couple would, she gets my daughter to lie to her grandmother and say she never stays at my home, but in reality, even though she has her own place, she has stayed with me basically fulltime. She lays in bed until 11 am on the days she is not working, I do all the housework, cook the dinners, do the school run, all the food shopping all of which I have to fit in around my own work.
She gets treated like a queen, I make coffee every morning and take it up to her, on the weekend I make breakfast and take it to her in bed.
I have also helped her financially over the last 12 years and also getting her out of trouble with debt collection agencies. I have purchased a car for her, paid for car repairs, MOT, car tax and insurance. I have probably spent close to £40 000 sorting her life out for her.

I am not perfect but I am a good man and father and do everything for her, I am always on the end of a phone when she needs money or needs me to help her, but her phone is constantly on silent and she is very secretive. She never answers the phone the first time when you call her she is the most difficult person to get hold of when she is out.

She has left me twice before, just coldheartedly one day said she is moving out but could give me no reason why. She has the ability to just flick a switch and treat me as if I never existed, she breaks my heart and when I try and talk to her calmly about it, she just stares blankly at the wall and says she can't give me a reason why. If she eventually does talk, she usually will turn it all around on me and make me feel worthless and as if it is all my fault.

The first time she left me and moved out, she ended up being evicted and I allowed her to come back and stay with me, yes I know that is stupid, but I loved her and she is the mother of my daughter. She then moved out again with no explanation. However, every time she moves out, within a few months, she is contacting me again and we end up back in this weird "relationship" where it is a secret and I am back to doing everything for her again.

Over the last two years, I have been asking her to sort this out, we can't keep living like this, where our relationship is a secret and we can't be a normal family. She recently got evicted again from where she moved the last time she left me, and I have allowed her back to live with me and my daughter. Yes, my daughter prefers to live with me than her mother, her mother doesn't treat her very well.

So she lives with me again, she has accepted all the love and help I give her, she has one of the easiest lives a woman could have. I told her that after 12 years of this I am tired of living like this and it is time to sort this out, I just want a normal life with a woman, not a secret relationship, it causes anxiety every single day, she does what suits her and never what is good for her daughter or relationship. Over the last three months of her living with me, I have asked her to please tell me what I can do to help her sort out all these lies she has told about me to her mother, so we can just live a normal life and start moving forward instead of being stuck in this rut. She just stared blankly again and said she is going to move out for the THIRD time. She said she can't give me a reason why and that she knows I do everything for her but that is not her problem, and she can't undo all the lies she has told her mother and others because I am not worth the trouble it would cause her.

So she has gone from being evicted and me helping her once again, to now leaving. She has suspiciously gone from not being able to pay an £850 a month rent, to now moving into a £1400 a month house on her own. She is moving out on Sunday and she just lays in bed, watching TV, not doing anything as usual and acting as if she is doing nothing wrong. My daughter does not want to live with her so she is staying with me, and she is disgusted in her mother's behaviour towards me.

So after typing all this out, I can see myself I am with a toxic narcissistic person, but they have a way of making you feel lost without them, they can just break your heart over and over again, but you still try and hold onto them. It is almost as if she is enjoying watching me be in pain for this to happen again, it is like she enjoys destroying me.
I need to go no contact with her this time because every other time she has left me she comes back in a couple of months and I stupidly allow her to.
I feel like a complete mug, I have once again been used and now I am being discarded again and if you could see how coldhearted she is about it you would be astounded.
It has driven me to the point of mental exhaustion and I feel as if it is all my fault, but I know logically it isn't.

Is this how a relationship is? She tries to convince me that this is the norm and not everyone has the "perfect" relationship I am asking for. I am not asking for a "perfect" relationship, I just want a normal one, one where you feel appreciated and loved, and the person you are with is not going to leave you every few years and use you. Over the last 12 years, there has not been one week where I have not done something for her, even when she left me I have given all of my time, money and love to her no matter what she did to me.

I have to be strong this time and cut her off completely. I need to wake up and realise that I have a lot to offer and I can be in a normal relationship. If anyone has any ideas on how I can do this, I would really appreciate a woman's point of view on this would be very valuable to me, thank you for reading my post.

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Hecateh · 01/08/2019 20:33

By allowing your daughter to see this - and it be normal for you, you are teaching her that men are to be treated with contempt and possibly that she should behave as her mum does in order to 'get what she wants' because 'men are weak and to be treated with contempt.

She is likely to either be like her mum - and treat men with contempt.
OR
be like you, and be attracted to men who treat her like her mum treats you.
OR
be scared of getting into a relationship at all.
If you want her to be able to have healthy adult relationships then that is what you need to model

boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:23

@SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad thank you for your comment, I agree with everything you say, and I appreciate the information about the Mankind project, I will definitely look them up and call them. I am definitely going to need some help getting my mind right about this, it is the most mind crazy-making situation I have ever been in, it's affected my health and mindset more than I have realised. Thank you again, and I am so pleased to hear you have been clear of someone like this for 3 years, I am looking forward to my first day on Sunday.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:26

I completely agree with you @Hecateh.
I am always talking to my daughter and saying that good mothers do not do the things she does. I have allowed her to treat us badly, not intentionally, I would never do that, I have just given her way too many chances to change, but she is never going to change. Thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:29

Thank you @crankyassnoperope, I agree with you, that is what is so frustrating about this situation, I am a very sensible man, I always try to do the right thing and I would never allow anyone to hurt us the way this woman hurts us. I have failed and allowed this woman back in our lives way too many times, this time it ends on Sunday and she is never coming back.

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Decormad38 · 02/08/2019 07:30

She's abusive. Emotional, financial. You need to get away from her. Get a solicitor too. You don't want to leave your DD in that situation.

boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:31

@Windmillwhirl she is vile, deep down I have known it for years, but I have failed and been taken in when she tries to manipulate me. Thank you for your comment.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:40

Thank you @MrJollyLivesNextDoor, yes you are right, she is horrific, I think one of the reasons behind me allowing her back in every time is that I have never spoken to anyone about this or asked someone else for their opinion and because of that, you start to believe that this is just the way it is with most people. I can see now that a support network is important, just reading your and everyone else's comments I can see how bad the situation really is and that my daughter and I deserve so much better. I will definitely not allow her back in our lives after she leaves on Sunday. She is already looking at me differently because I have not tried to talk to her about it since yesterday. Talking to her is THE MOST frustrating thing in the world anyway, she just remains silent and stares at the wall, with no emotion, I do all the talking, I talk calmly and reasonably and ask her why she is doing this, and pour my heart out to her and she just remains silent. When I am worn out of talking and frustrated beyond belief and stop, she then speaks and says in a very hurtful way "Are you finished now"
So thank you for you and your comments, I am definitely cutting her off and having limited contact with her from now on regarding our daughter.
I really appreciate you taking the time to help.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:43

Thank you @user1479305498
You are right, she doesn't deserve me. She has had a way of making me feel like I will never get anyone else and that she is my only hope of having a relationship. I know it sounds crazy now but when you are being manipulated you start to believe it.
I do not believe it anymore and it ends Sunday and she is never coming back.

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Drogonssmile · 02/08/2019 07:43

OP it's great that you've posted on here so you can see how horrific and damaging this relationship is. I wish you and your daughter the best of luck in the future after cutting this toxic person out of your lives!

boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:45

@Theworldisfullofgs, I am definitely not going to allow her to come back and I am cutting her off completely. It is time for me to heal and then find someone to share my life with, not just give and get nothing back.
Thank you for your support.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:50

Thank you so very much @milksoffagain
As you suggested, I had a good look at NPD yesterday evening and she fits almost all of the traits.
I do know it logically but emotionally I was having a harder time than I am now, with all your support and comments it has helped me see that I am not mad and making this more than what it is, it is actually quite horrific and abusive and her leaving Sunday is a blessing. I don't know how I could have spent another week with her, let alone a month or a year. I am so pleased I decided to post here, I was looking for forums and Mumsnet came up so I decided to do it. It has really helped me a lot in the last 24 hours. Thank you

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:58

@Wishiknewthen, when I read your comment I was amazed at how accurate you are. Her mother has been divorced for over 20 years, I met her father, who moved to another country shortly after the divorce, that if he did not leave her he probably would have gone completely mad and done something he would regret. So that is her mother, she is very controlling and she is the TOP of my ex-partners list, she will do anything to please her mother. She has let me and my daughter down countless times just because her mother said she wanted her to do something or go to her. Her mother works, drives and she is very capable and is not in need of support so it is all very unusual. Her mother is a nasty person, very hateful and in her words "calls a spade a spade" She will say terribly nasty things to people and not think anything of it.
My part in this story has come to an end now, I am more determined now, thanks to your help and everyone else who has commented, she is going to find out that I am not available to abuse anymore after she leaves on Sunday. Thank you :-)

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SummerSix · 02/08/2019 07:59

Dont let her come back. You have your daughter, thats all that counts.

Shes nasty and not worth you.

boldspear · 02/08/2019 07:59

I agree with you @Howyiz, once she has left I am going to get some help so that I can make sense of all this and heal from it.
I would not want to enter another relationship with this in my mind.
Thank you

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welliesarefuntowear · 02/08/2019 08:01

You have to stay strong. Be ready for When she comes back crying and desperate which she will, to know in your own heart that it is best for her as well as you that you close the door in her face, I'm just starting on this road. It's really hard to do, because you want to be seen as caring so that you don't upset your children. My partner of many years has been having an affair with a deeply toxic woman. He came back with little remorse. It took all my strength to get him to leave again. He keeps telling me how sorry he is and that he's a changed man. What he doesn't realise is that I've changed too. Women are good at building support for themselves. You won't be the only man who's been in this situation.

boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:02

@marvellousnightforamooncup thank you for your comment, the Mumsnetters have been amazing, it has made such a difference to me in the last 24 hours since I found Mumsnet and posted.
I wanted to get the opinion of women because if I was being overdramatic and wrong, I just wanted to know because that is what she made me believe. Thank you very much for your support and I will update everyone how it is going after Sunday. At this point, it can't come soon enough.

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NoWayDidISayThat · 02/08/2019 08:03

What a terrible situation. I hope everything goes well for you OP.

GoFiguire · 02/08/2019 08:09

Change the locks
Change your mobile phone number
Move away

How old is your DD?

boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:11

Hello @CaptainJaneway62 (I love the Star Trek name by the way)
Thank you SO MUCH for the link, it is exactly what has happened to me. I did not know anything about it and the article has really helped me.
I am going to do everything you suggested, I am going NC, my daughter will see her if and when she wants to, but I never want to see her or hear her voice again, she is the most toxic person I have ever come across and I have allowed her to slowly destroy my life, it ends on Sunday.
Thank you so very very much for bringing the trauma bond to my attention.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:14

Hello @GoFiguire, I wish I could move away, but unfortunately, I can't, but I can change the locks, my mobile number and go NC and I am definitely going to do it as soon as she leaves on Sunday.
My daughter is 11 years old.
Thank you for your comment, I appreciate it.

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:14

Thank you @NoWayDidISayThat

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boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:18

Thank you for sharing your story @welliesarefuntowear.
I am so sorry to hear that you have been treated that way, to have an affair and show little remorse is despicable.
I wish you all the best and happiness in the future, you are doing the right thing, you cannot be treated that way.
Thank you for your advice and I will not be engaging in any contact with this woman ever again in my life after Sunday, if she comes back I will shut the door in her face.
Like I have said, I am not perfect, but I know I am one of the good guys out there and she has lost that now.

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Dec2019mumtobe · 02/08/2019 08:18

"Is this how a relationship is? "

Nope. Yours couldn't be more polar opposite to mine.

LTB (leave the bitch!)

boldspear · 02/08/2019 08:19

Thank you @SummerSix, I really appreciate your comment, I am not letting her come back, the support from everyone on here has helped me see what I need to do.

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growlingbear · 02/08/2019 08:21

Every time you start agonising about her, stop and ask a question about your own issues, not hers.
Why am I attracted to her personality? What physical, mental and emotional reactions do I have to her behaviour and her physicality?
What do I gain from being with her? How do I perceive myself? Do I enjoy feeling saintly or tolerant etc?
What would I like to feel and do that I can't while I continue to be with her?
Etc. Just keep focusing on you not her and you'll start to see the light. And read up on narcissist's enablers. My mother is one - it appears to be a weirdly addictive role for a certain type of person.

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