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Horrible situation with in-laws

86 replies

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 13:23

I’m afraid this might be quite long. I’ve been with DH for 16 years and we’ve been married for 8 and now have 3 DC under 7. He’s had a tricky relationship with his parents for as long as I’ve known him but it’s definitely got worse as time has gone on. They’ve never been welcoming to me and I’ve always found them draining company, as they’re very critical and negative, and seem to look to find fault with people and situations. Despite this, I’ve tried so hard over the years to have a good relationship with them.

We’ve just come back from a few days away with them. They live a very long way away from us so I booked a holiday cottage in the middle so that they could spend some time with the dcs. They have been to stay with us, and we’ve told them that they are welcome any time as we have a spare room. We haven’t stayed with them for a couple of years, partly because the journey is very hard with 3 small children, but also because they do not have the space or beds for all 5 of us, and MIL has told DH that they won’t be getting any beds to accommodate the children. MIL is fixated on money and seems jealous that DH and I are not struggling as much as they did when they were are age. She told DH that they won’t need our spare room because they have plenty of money and can afford a hotel!

PILs were very negative about the very nice place we were staying recently and showed little enthusiasm for any activities or meals out that we planned. DH and I asked them what they would like to do, but we ended up sorting everything out ourselves as PILs showed no interest. Our DC are not great sleepers at the best of times, but being somewhere new, in the middle of a heatwave meant that it was difficult to get them all to sleep for the first few nights of our trip. DC3 is a baby and still breastfeeding, so I was busy settling him too. DH and I were really tired by the third day. PILs didn’t offer to help but they never do and that’s fine. It’s up to them if they want to help out. On the third night I had got the baby to sleep and then came down to have a drink with DH and PILs, but DC2 wasn’t completely settled and kept coming downstairs so I was upstairs quite a bit trying to settle him. PILs had been out for a drink and MIL had obviously had a few drinks, as she was making a few barbed digs at DH and me, which she always does when she’s drunk. Just a few comments about how awful the house we were staying in was, how the area they live in is so much better (which is a dig at us for not visiting them, despite the bed situation which is apparently our fault). Anyway, I just ignored it, as did DH and then I had to go up to take DC2 back to bed again. When I came back down 5 minutes later the door was closed and I could hear MIL complaining to DH. I didn’t know what to do, so I waited a few mins and then just went in. MIL immediately stopped what she was saying and left the room. DH told me that she had been complaining about me, how I wouldn’t let them be with their grandchildren, and that she wasn’t going to do what I wanted the next day and that they were going to leave in the morning (we still had two days left) as they hadn’t been made to feel welcome. FIL had stormed off to bed about 20 mins earlier, probably in anticipation of a MIL rant.

The next morning they didn’t leave, and MIL tried to act as though everything was normal. DH was very upset, but not surprised, by what had happened, and he did mention It to her. She just told him that that was how she felt.

This is just one example of PIL (mostly MIL but they both have form for this type of thing and FIL has a very short temper) make every situation miserable for us. MIL will regularly get drunk on a Friday and phone DH to tell him how awful he and I are and then hang up on him. They have also both told him individually about suicide attempts or near suicide attempts that they have made, after arguing with one another. But they would never separate. They also completely ignore me most of the time, never asking how I am or taking any interest in me, despite me making an effort to ask them about their lives and interests. FIL puts facebook posts up of days out we’ve had but never includes me in the photos or mentions me. It’s petty but it’s also hurtful. DH and I are constantly on the lookout for one of both of them being in a strop when we're with them. It's exhausting.

I feel completely deflated after this last trip with them. When I said goodbye to MIL I said it had been nice to see her and she just walked off and waited in the car while FIL said goodbye to the children. I have never experienced someone as rude as disrespectful as MIL is. DH has a very good relationship with my parents, and PILs are very jealous of this, and have often made snide comments about my family to DH in the past.

I know their behaviour is far from normal and that they are both unhappy. I used to feel sorry for them, but neither of them are willing to take steps to improve their situation. Does anyone have any advice please? I’m sorry this is so long – there are so many other examples I could give of mean things they’ve done over the years. It makes me feel so sad because I would love to have been able to have a better relationship with them. I want to be able to move forward without their constant guilt-tripping and emotional blackmail of DH.

OP posts:
Sunburntnoseandears · 29/07/2019 13:29

If they were old friends would you keep the friendship going?
Doubtful.
Leave dh to deal with them /keep in touch. No way would I be using my precious holiday /dc time with the likes of them.
Dna isn't a licence to treat people like shit imo.
You have tried much longer than I would have op.
Admitting they are bloody awful isn't a defeat but a strength...

IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 29/07/2019 13:30

I would leave them to it. Why put yourselves, and your family, through the misery
PIL aren't happy to see you, don't enjoy themselves, and you don't either so why waste time and money

LightDrizzle · 29/07/2019 13:31

It’s not you, it’s them. Stop trying, don’t initiate, be polite and civil when they are, remove yourself and your children when they aren’t.
You’ve tried over a long period, they’ve messed up. You don’t have to spend time with people like that.

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 13:33

One more thing - MIL seems to have become weirdly competitive about parenting with me. She constantly tells my DH that he does too much with/for the children and needs to relax, and gets annoyed if I don't want to take her advice on childcare e.g. putting a wet flannel on the forehead of a baby with a fever, or adding salt to the food of a 5 year old.

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IfIShouldFallFromGraceWithGod · 29/07/2019 13:33

I get the exhaustion. I have a SN child. I spend my life planning ahead, wondering what will cause a meltdown, can dc ope with the environment, what will happen if we don't get a seat on the train and so on
It's bloody exhausting. No way would I put myself through similar for grown adults with no SN

Lipstickandlashes · 29/07/2019 13:33

They sound like they have issues with alcohol addiction and their mental health.

For your own wellbeing, I would step away and go as low/no contact as possible.

I would also encourage your DH to seek professional support so that he can navigate the relationship in the healthiest possible way for him.

You don't deserve to be subjected to this behaviour and I would make that clear to them.

yesteaandawineplease · 29/07/2019 13:40

they are completely toxic op. you've tried really hard and now it's beyond time to call it a day. life is too short to waste on people like this.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/07/2019 13:40

FFS. I would be DONE. No more visits no more anything. They are shockingly rude to you and it's very upsetting your husband doesn't have the balls to stand up for you.

I would tell your husband he is free to visit them himself, but you are not. Ever again. Life is too short for this misery.

JK1773 · 29/07/2019 13:42

You have my ex in-laws by the sounds of it. Just hideous vile people. I never understood it. I used to get the screeching phone calls, talking about me behind my back, insane jealousy of my family etc. All the same.
I came to the conclusion that MIL had some sort of personality disorder but FIL was actually worse in hindsight. He’d plant the seeds of her paranoia, wind her up, watch her blow up and then take credit for being the calm one. Sly old git.
I don’t know what to suggest. I tried to cut all contact but that didn’t work, I tried being overly kind and pleasant, that didn’t work.
I left my ex in the end so I haven’t had to see them for years but I’ll never forget what they did. It was a living nightmare and they lived a short walk away

Aussiebean · 29/07/2019 13:49

Nothing you have tried has worked so time to drop the rope and stop trying. They are going to bitch about you anyway, so might as well not put the effort in.

You don’t want these horrible people near you dc, so hold onto that.

As for your dh, I was advise him to talk to a counsellor about toxic parents. Maybe look at narcissists and see if that rings any bells for him. Maybe look at the ‘sons of narcissistic mothers’ website.

Either way, he is being treated appallingly by his parents and he needs to work out what he wants to do about that.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/07/2019 13:50

Hi cardigan

re your comment:-

"I’m afraid this might be quite long. I’ve been with DH for 16 years and we’ve been married for 8 and now have 3 DC under 7. He’s had a tricky relationship with his parents for as long as I’ve known him but it’s definitely got worse as time has gone on. They’ve never been welcoming to me and I’ve always found them draining company, as they’re very critical and negative, and seem to look to find fault with people and situations. Despite this, I’ve tried so hard over the years to have a good relationship with them".

Stop trying with them as of right now, such people like his parents really see the kind you as actually weak and feeble. You would not have tolerated this from a friend, they are no different.

Your mistake here has been to at all try with these people. I think you need to ask yourself why you tried with them at all given your husband's own lack of a good relationship with his parents. Your own people pleasing tendencies and societal pressures may have also played a part here along with you coming from an emotionally healthy family unit (I see that your own parents are nice and importantly emotionally healthy).

Unfortunately and as you have learnt the hard way, not all families are nice and kind. Your DH was not so fortunate as you and lucked out with his parents. He has also known them a lot longer than you have.

Where are your boundaries here with his parents, they are way too low here. Your children also need emotionally healthy grandparents and his parents do not fit the bill. It is NOT your fault or your H's that his parents are like this and you did not make them that way. They should not be exposed to such manipulation from them either.

What lipstickandlashes wrote too. I would also suggest you read "Toxic Inlaws" by Susan Forward.

Gamble66 · 29/07/2019 13:54

Honestly - just go low contact

HaileySherman · 29/07/2019 13:55

My advice would be to count your blessings that they don't want much to do with you. Try to limit contact as is possible, and MOST IMPORTANTLY do not ever let them make you feel bad. Clearly they are miserable people, possibly mentally ill. Know there is nothing you can do or could have done. Feel pity for them, but don't let it impact your own happiness.

Skittlenommer · 29/07/2019 13:59

I’d go no contact with them. Seriously, why are you still making an effort!?

Kaddm · 29/07/2019 14:00

Low contact is the way to go.

Why even pick up these Friday night drunk calls? Let them go to voicemail.

You can’t fix people like this. You can isolate yourself emotionally.

jellybeanteaparty · 29/07/2019 14:08

Perhaps visit near them once a year only but stay in a hotel nearby so you can retreat and walk away if they are rude.

hellsbellsmelons · 29/07/2019 14:12

You don't have to have a relationship with them.
They have shown you time and time again that you are a non-entity.
You are not important to them at all.
So why keep bothering?
And why on earth do you keep picking up the phone on a Friday.
Let it go to voicemail.
And you can ignore their suicide threats.
As you say, it's all emotional blackmail.
You just keep your distance and let DH have a relationship with them if he wants.
But you have no obligation to do the same (neither does he by the way)

Dragongirl10 · 29/07/2019 14:15

Op what jumped out at me was , why is DH not vigorously defending you?
If my parents spoke negatively about my DH l would tell them it was unacceptable and to stop straight away.
He is enabling their nastiness, sadly they will always be nasty but why do you and DH choose to put up with it? You do have a choice remember.

Sobeyondthehills · 29/07/2019 14:15

We live in a world where we feel like we have to stay in contact with toxic people purely because they are our parents (or inlaws) the problem being people who parents can also be arseholes.

There is no obligation to you to stay in contact with anyone who drags you down so much.

mussolini9 · 29/07/2019 14:15

I want to be able to move forward without their constant guilt-tripping and emotional blackmail of DH.

You move forward by stopping trying.
All the effort & self-restraint & kindness you have put in over several years has had no positive effect on their behaviour.
They a rude, toxic, & bad for your & DH's own mental health.

Start with avoiding the ranty Friday night calls.
Do not initialte contact.
Take the advice upthread & start reading about controlling relationships - & please access counselling to help both you & DH navigate your way forward into a lower contact, lower stress relationship (or even, ultimately, NC if that becomes the path of least resistance best for you & your own family unit).

Focus on yourselves & your healthy, happy relationship with your side of the family. I'm sorry you've had to endure the PiLs for so long: please do not allow them to continue affecting your family's harmony any further.

Butterymuffin · 29/07/2019 14:17

Agree with pp, minimise all your contact with them. You've tried to be nice and they've consistently thrown it back in your face. Protect yourselves now. Do you want your kids to grow up seeing you treated like this, and enduring it themselves, when they've done nothing wrong?
Your DH needs some therapy to get him through this as it's his parents and he understandably feels bad about it, but he needs to learn it's not his fault and recover.

averythinline · 29/07/2019 14:18

why did you say it has been nice to see them - it hadn't..
they are horrible.. why make your DC put up with them ...
just dont bother - leave any interaction to DH - let him deal with it I certainly would not.... He may want to speak to alanon - It was really helpful for my DH - to realise he didnt have to speak to his mum/dad when they were pissed... his mum used to do the phoning thing too...
FIL woudl have disappeared off knowing the ranting was coming as well..... now he just puts the phone down - says something like sorry cant talk very busy.....or doesn't answer...

It well maybe a sign of their deep unhappiness with their lives - but that is up to them... you and your family don't have to put up with it...

if they suggest it again - just say no doesnt work for us (dc dont sleep too well)
if they come to yours say they can saty at hotel as be more comfortable there ....

you and DH need to have an honest discussion about what you are prepared to put up with or not and be honest with them as well..

me n dc didnt see IL for years because of their drinking and the agressiveness that came with it as didnt want the dc to see it...
DH went on his own -

AcrossthePond55 · 29/07/2019 14:26

I'd let my DH know that don't want or need such negativity in my life so I will no longer be engaging with his parents and that he should decide what for himself relationship he wants with them going forward making sure that he understands that low/no contact is absolutely reasonable under the circumstances. That you will not impede him maintaining contact if he chooses, but that you will not facilitate it either.

So no visits by to their home, no more time away together, and no invites to your house unless he's prepared for you to make yourself absent. You will not stay in the room during any of the abusive phone calls nor will you listen to him complain about them.

In essence, if he chooses to maintain contact he will do so without any support whatsoever from you. Many people who maintain contact with toxic people do so because they rely on the support of others to 'get them through it' or help them decompress by listening to them whinge and complain. Chances are once you jerk that rug out from under him, he'll probably decide to cut or reduce contact to the bare minimum.

Honeyroar · 29/07/2019 14:31

You sound amazingly patient! I think you need to be a little harder. Who cares if they grumble- they already do anyway..

Don’t invite them on any more holidays (one night max if your husband wants to see them). No telling her it’s been nice to see her when she’s sulking and stroppy. No more tolerating drunken abuse (simply say “ring back when you are not drunk and can be polite” and put the phone down). Tell them if they want a relationship with your family they need to be nicer or it’s game over. And get counselling for your poor husband!

GCAcademic · 29/07/2019 14:32

When I said goodbye to MIL I said it had been nice to see her

Why on earth would you say this? I'm sorry to turn this onto you, as clearly your in-laws are toxic and probably alcoholics. But this part of your post really jumped out at me. You need to protect yourself and your kids, not pander to abusive people just because they're family.

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