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Horrible situation with in-laws

86 replies

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 13:23

I’m afraid this might be quite long. I’ve been with DH for 16 years and we’ve been married for 8 and now have 3 DC under 7. He’s had a tricky relationship with his parents for as long as I’ve known him but it’s definitely got worse as time has gone on. They’ve never been welcoming to me and I’ve always found them draining company, as they’re very critical and negative, and seem to look to find fault with people and situations. Despite this, I’ve tried so hard over the years to have a good relationship with them.

We’ve just come back from a few days away with them. They live a very long way away from us so I booked a holiday cottage in the middle so that they could spend some time with the dcs. They have been to stay with us, and we’ve told them that they are welcome any time as we have a spare room. We haven’t stayed with them for a couple of years, partly because the journey is very hard with 3 small children, but also because they do not have the space or beds for all 5 of us, and MIL has told DH that they won’t be getting any beds to accommodate the children. MIL is fixated on money and seems jealous that DH and I are not struggling as much as they did when they were are age. She told DH that they won’t need our spare room because they have plenty of money and can afford a hotel!

PILs were very negative about the very nice place we were staying recently and showed little enthusiasm for any activities or meals out that we planned. DH and I asked them what they would like to do, but we ended up sorting everything out ourselves as PILs showed no interest. Our DC are not great sleepers at the best of times, but being somewhere new, in the middle of a heatwave meant that it was difficult to get them all to sleep for the first few nights of our trip. DC3 is a baby and still breastfeeding, so I was busy settling him too. DH and I were really tired by the third day. PILs didn’t offer to help but they never do and that’s fine. It’s up to them if they want to help out. On the third night I had got the baby to sleep and then came down to have a drink with DH and PILs, but DC2 wasn’t completely settled and kept coming downstairs so I was upstairs quite a bit trying to settle him. PILs had been out for a drink and MIL had obviously had a few drinks, as she was making a few barbed digs at DH and me, which she always does when she’s drunk. Just a few comments about how awful the house we were staying in was, how the area they live in is so much better (which is a dig at us for not visiting them, despite the bed situation which is apparently our fault). Anyway, I just ignored it, as did DH and then I had to go up to take DC2 back to bed again. When I came back down 5 minutes later the door was closed and I could hear MIL complaining to DH. I didn’t know what to do, so I waited a few mins and then just went in. MIL immediately stopped what she was saying and left the room. DH told me that she had been complaining about me, how I wouldn’t let them be with their grandchildren, and that she wasn’t going to do what I wanted the next day and that they were going to leave in the morning (we still had two days left) as they hadn’t been made to feel welcome. FIL had stormed off to bed about 20 mins earlier, probably in anticipation of a MIL rant.

The next morning they didn’t leave, and MIL tried to act as though everything was normal. DH was very upset, but not surprised, by what had happened, and he did mention It to her. She just told him that that was how she felt.

This is just one example of PIL (mostly MIL but they both have form for this type of thing and FIL has a very short temper) make every situation miserable for us. MIL will regularly get drunk on a Friday and phone DH to tell him how awful he and I are and then hang up on him. They have also both told him individually about suicide attempts or near suicide attempts that they have made, after arguing with one another. But they would never separate. They also completely ignore me most of the time, never asking how I am or taking any interest in me, despite me making an effort to ask them about their lives and interests. FIL puts facebook posts up of days out we’ve had but never includes me in the photos or mentions me. It’s petty but it’s also hurtful. DH and I are constantly on the lookout for one of both of them being in a strop when we're with them. It's exhausting.

I feel completely deflated after this last trip with them. When I said goodbye to MIL I said it had been nice to see her and she just walked off and waited in the car while FIL said goodbye to the children. I have never experienced someone as rude as disrespectful as MIL is. DH has a very good relationship with my parents, and PILs are very jealous of this, and have often made snide comments about my family to DH in the past.

I know their behaviour is far from normal and that they are both unhappy. I used to feel sorry for them, but neither of them are willing to take steps to improve their situation. Does anyone have any advice please? I’m sorry this is so long – there are so many other examples I could give of mean things they’ve done over the years. It makes me feel so sad because I would love to have been able to have a better relationship with them. I want to be able to move forward without their constant guilt-tripping and emotional blackmail of DH.

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Coronapop · 29/07/2019 15:42

Sadly you cannot change the way other people behave, or choose to behave. You can only change the way you react to them or deal with them. Since they have shown so little interest in their GCs in your position I would go low contact as others have said - it will be far less stressful. Tell them why if they ask, but they probably won't.

Topseyt · 29/07/2019 15:43

How do I go low contact in terms of the DC though? MIL has started her guilt tripping with our eldest DC now and she's starting to notice MIL's sullen behaviour too

Easy, especially given that they live such a long way from you. If you are no contact or low contact then so are the children. They only see and/or speak to PIL on the very odd occasion you do. You aren't prepared to be insulted and undermined by PIL in front of your children, surely? You are in control here. You have parental rights, PIL do not. Therefore you make the decisions, not them. Don't try to please them here. Why is it essential for your kids to have regular contact with such arseholes?

ItsAllGoingToBeMagnificent · 29/07/2019 15:45

Just go low contact, you won't regret it!

NewFoneWhoDis · 29/07/2019 15:50

I have a decent enough MIL, but every once in a while she might get a bit critical of things I do. My response is to be busy for a while and send DP with DC and I just avoid her for a bit. It's subtly reminding her that I don't HAVE to spend any time with her if I don't want to.

DP finds my DM hard work, so he does special occasions only and the rest of the time I just bring DC myself to her.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/07/2019 15:56

I'm usually all about parents having equal rights/say in what the children do and who they see, BUT if your MiL is having a negative affect on your DD then DD needs to stop being around her. And you need to be the one to take responsibility for stopping it if your DD doesn't want to speak up herself.

In fact, it's a very good lesson for children to learn that they don't have to 'be nice' and go visiting people (even relatives) who are not a positive influence on their lives.

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 16:03

They live too far away from us for DH to take the DC on his own to see them. We only see them a few times a year anyway. DH wouldn't agree to the DC being nc with them and I think it would need to come from him rather than me. I'm going to take a step back from it all now though - I won't be arranging any more holidays or suggesting going to see them. I would love for DH to start shutting down the drunk evening calls as it ruins the evening for both of us, which is the intention. It would be easier if we could just see them for a few hours, rather than it needing to be several days each time.

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GabsAlot · 29/07/2019 16:03

YouKeep your children away from them they legally have no rights over them -why would you want them to play mind games with your children

GabsAlot · 29/07/2019 16:05

It not just up to him your their mother

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 16:05

I really agree acrossthepond - it's a valuable lesson for the DC to learn. I need to learn it myself!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/07/2019 16:10

I would not even be seeing his parents for a few hours, let alone days. If these people are too difficult/batshit/toxic for you to deal with, its the same deal for your kids also.

His parents are not healthy to be at all around. Your DH is mired in his own FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) here re them and this is perhaps why he will not agree to your children having no contact. He is far more afraid of his parents, particularly his mother, than he ever would be of you. He still seeks their approval as well, approval they will never give him either. His own inertia when it comes to his parents also hurts him as well as you people.

Yabbers · 29/07/2019 16:19

It sounds like a nightmare, but she had a specific complaint about not being allowed to be with her GC. Given your comments about the kinds of things she does, is there any truth to her complaint?

They sound like they have issues with alcohol addiction and their mental health.

Because they had a drink on holiday and don’t get on with their DIL? That describes a whole heap of people, doesn’t it?

AcrossthePond55 · 29/07/2019 16:26

We all do missmilli!! We're all taught not to hurt others feelings, which is good. But we're not often taught that we don't have to subject our feelings to being hurt either.

I see what you're thinking re DH needing to 'lead the charge' on the DC going NC. Since you live such a distance it probably won't be a huge problem since you aren't going to be organizing any future visits etc. If he does, be sure your DH understands that the DC will have the choice to stay behind with you, as you are not going.

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 16:28

Yes, they were with the DC for the whole duration of the holiday - that was the point of it. I really don't know what she meant by that comment.

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MissConductUS · 29/07/2019 16:33

I would love for DH to start shutting down the drunk evening calls as it ruins the evening for both of us, which is the intention.

You're not required by law to answer the phone. If they have form for drunk dialing let it go to voicemail.

People can only abuse you with your cooperation.

frazzledasarock · 29/07/2019 16:38

I wouldn’t spend any time in heirs company and I’d refuse to allow my children to either.

Stop organising or asking after your IL’s, don’t call them, don’t make any effort on them whatsoever.

If you’re DH wants to discuss the phone all set from his mother he insists on taking tell him you find it too stressful to talk about the phone calls.

you should protect your children from your MIL's vitriol tho, its not just your husbands responsibility. if for whatever reason he isn't able to protect them from his mothers negativity then you need to step in.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/07/2019 16:41

They sound awful and as most other posters have said, why on earth would you keep bothering? I really wouldn't.

Your DH is in FOG with his parents - he needs to sort that out so he can let go.
Your DC do NOT need to be put in the same position as he was, where they have to put up with their grandparents' bad behaviour because no one has ever pulled them up on it. If it's starting to negatively affect them (or even just the oldest one) then you have an "angle" with your DH - and if he says she has to just learn to put up with it, then you have a big responsibility at that stage to tell him where he can stick his thoughts and his parents, because your DD is NOT going to end up like him where they're concerned!

LC/NC is the way forward. Why see them "several times" a year - knock it down to once or twice! Don't you put yourself out organising anything either - if they're so bloody fussy, let them organise it. And if they make a total pig's breakfast of it (likely) then you have a decent excuse not to go again.

You must be a very calm and quiet person to have put up with so much for so long, but you need to stand up for your DD against them and your DH.
Good luck! X Thanks

Butterymuffin · 29/07/2019 18:34

They live too far away from us for DH to take the DC on his own to see them

DH wouldn't agree to the DC being nc with them

The first bit countermands the second. If you resolve that you won't do this kind of trip again and calmly stick to that, contact cannot be forced on the children.

justasking111 · 29/07/2019 18:40

If the drunken calls are on a Friday switch off the phones, an evening without a phone wont hurt you. She can call on Saturday when sober.

Re: the suicide threats, ask what hymns they would like for their service.

If it was anyone else you would shut them down. Being family is no excuse for appalling behaviour.

bribery · 29/07/2019 19:16

Your DH's parents are a pair of nasty arseholes and it's time to tell him that they will never be seeing you or your kids again. Total no contact. They shouldn't be around any of you and will drain the life out if you and spread toxic vibes. Soon, they'll start trying to turn your kids against you. They sound like proper pieces of shit.

Tell your DH that that's it; he can see them on his own if he can bear it. But you and your kids will not be subjected to their shit ever again because quite frankly why should you be?! Rude, nasty, ungrateful, disrespectful pricks. Fuck that noise.

Time to scorch the earth OP. And I'd tell his parents why and burn that bridge permanently. Good luck. Thanks

bribery · 29/07/2019 19:20

Seriously if he's going to get shitty about refusing the kids going no contact, tell them you'll divorce him and get a harassment order against his parents so that he'll have no fucking choice. This kind of shit makes me so furious. He KNOWS his parents are being shitty to his wife and kids and he just lets it happen. I know it's hard for him to take that his parents truly are this nasty. But there's no excuse for him letting them bully his family. Maybe he's a prick too?

MsTSwift · 29/07/2019 19:38

Uerghh give up my dear. I wish I could buy you a drink. You are nice and decent they are horrid. Not much you can do about this but stop yourself caring and see as little of them as possible.

Winterlife · 29/07/2019 20:16

Stay in the background and let your husband navigate the relationship.

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 20:30

Thank you so much for all these comments. I am going to resolve not to visit them or arrange a trip again. DH can go if he likes.

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billy1966 · 29/07/2019 20:41

OP,

Why would you want your precious children exposed to such nasty, ugly, people.

The clearly have alcohol and MH issues and yet ye allow them to abuse ye on a weekly basis.

How can you protect your children when you have allowed these open sores to infect your family life.

I would cease contact without letting them know.
Do not answer the phone.

Refuse to entertain visiting them or having them over.

Insist your husband deals with them only.

Stop being nice. Nasty, hideous people and you are telling them it's nice to see them. Really 🤔.

I mean this kindly, have some self respect OP.

They have zero respect for you because you behave as if you have zero respect for yourself.

Why would you let someone treat you like this.

Your children won't be long picking up on how badly they treat you.

NC is the only way to go.

Put it all back on your husband.

Stand up for yourself and your children.

Good luck.

IdblowJonSnow · 29/07/2019 20:42

No contact. They sound awful.
I wouldn't see them again and I wouldn't want them around my children either. You know if you let your husband take them without you they will only bitch about you?
Hope you can get your husband on side.

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