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Horrible situation with in-laws

86 replies

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 13:23

I’m afraid this might be quite long. I’ve been with DH for 16 years and we’ve been married for 8 and now have 3 DC under 7. He’s had a tricky relationship with his parents for as long as I’ve known him but it’s definitely got worse as time has gone on. They’ve never been welcoming to me and I’ve always found them draining company, as they’re very critical and negative, and seem to look to find fault with people and situations. Despite this, I’ve tried so hard over the years to have a good relationship with them.

We’ve just come back from a few days away with them. They live a very long way away from us so I booked a holiday cottage in the middle so that they could spend some time with the dcs. They have been to stay with us, and we’ve told them that they are welcome any time as we have a spare room. We haven’t stayed with them for a couple of years, partly because the journey is very hard with 3 small children, but also because they do not have the space or beds for all 5 of us, and MIL has told DH that they won’t be getting any beds to accommodate the children. MIL is fixated on money and seems jealous that DH and I are not struggling as much as they did when they were are age. She told DH that they won’t need our spare room because they have plenty of money and can afford a hotel!

PILs were very negative about the very nice place we were staying recently and showed little enthusiasm for any activities or meals out that we planned. DH and I asked them what they would like to do, but we ended up sorting everything out ourselves as PILs showed no interest. Our DC are not great sleepers at the best of times, but being somewhere new, in the middle of a heatwave meant that it was difficult to get them all to sleep for the first few nights of our trip. DC3 is a baby and still breastfeeding, so I was busy settling him too. DH and I were really tired by the third day. PILs didn’t offer to help but they never do and that’s fine. It’s up to them if they want to help out. On the third night I had got the baby to sleep and then came down to have a drink with DH and PILs, but DC2 wasn’t completely settled and kept coming downstairs so I was upstairs quite a bit trying to settle him. PILs had been out for a drink and MIL had obviously had a few drinks, as she was making a few barbed digs at DH and me, which she always does when she’s drunk. Just a few comments about how awful the house we were staying in was, how the area they live in is so much better (which is a dig at us for not visiting them, despite the bed situation which is apparently our fault). Anyway, I just ignored it, as did DH and then I had to go up to take DC2 back to bed again. When I came back down 5 minutes later the door was closed and I could hear MIL complaining to DH. I didn’t know what to do, so I waited a few mins and then just went in. MIL immediately stopped what she was saying and left the room. DH told me that she had been complaining about me, how I wouldn’t let them be with their grandchildren, and that she wasn’t going to do what I wanted the next day and that they were going to leave in the morning (we still had two days left) as they hadn’t been made to feel welcome. FIL had stormed off to bed about 20 mins earlier, probably in anticipation of a MIL rant.

The next morning they didn’t leave, and MIL tried to act as though everything was normal. DH was very upset, but not surprised, by what had happened, and he did mention It to her. She just told him that that was how she felt.

This is just one example of PIL (mostly MIL but they both have form for this type of thing and FIL has a very short temper) make every situation miserable for us. MIL will regularly get drunk on a Friday and phone DH to tell him how awful he and I are and then hang up on him. They have also both told him individually about suicide attempts or near suicide attempts that they have made, after arguing with one another. But they would never separate. They also completely ignore me most of the time, never asking how I am or taking any interest in me, despite me making an effort to ask them about their lives and interests. FIL puts facebook posts up of days out we’ve had but never includes me in the photos or mentions me. It’s petty but it’s also hurtful. DH and I are constantly on the lookout for one of both of them being in a strop when we're with them. It's exhausting.

I feel completely deflated after this last trip with them. When I said goodbye to MIL I said it had been nice to see her and she just walked off and waited in the car while FIL said goodbye to the children. I have never experienced someone as rude as disrespectful as MIL is. DH has a very good relationship with my parents, and PILs are very jealous of this, and have often made snide comments about my family to DH in the past.

I know their behaviour is far from normal and that they are both unhappy. I used to feel sorry for them, but neither of them are willing to take steps to improve their situation. Does anyone have any advice please? I’m sorry this is so long – there are so many other examples I could give of mean things they’ve done over the years. It makes me feel so sad because I would love to have been able to have a better relationship with them. I want to be able to move forward without their constant guilt-tripping and emotional blackmail of DH.

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Lisette1940 · 29/07/2019 14:33

My parents are like this OP. Just let them storm off and don't bother with them. There's no fixing folk like this and that's been a long, long hard lesson for me to learn.

beckywiththegoodhair27 · 29/07/2019 14:36

It doesn't matter what you do it will never be good enough for them.
So stop trying.
They sound like toxic people and I would wash my hands of them. Maybe it'll be the wake up call they need as being nice clearly isn't working.

jollygoose · 29/07/2019 14:44

you sound like you are an amazing daughter in law, I think you have dione your bit towards good family relations and it is now time to step back and leave them to it.

MitziK · 29/07/2019 14:44

If the relationship is so damaged that you wouldn't try to cool down a child with a fever because she'd said it, I'd suggest it's for the best that you no longer communicate with them.

Topseyt · 29/07/2019 14:45

Ignore them and stop trying. They aren't going to change and they sound like a right pair of miseries. Leave them to it.

No need for you to go and see them now. DH can go on his own if he really wants to. For me it would be too much time, effort and money to travel so far to see them, especially with young children in tow, and just so that they (PIL) could find something to make digs at me about.

I hope DH told his mother that he wouldn't put up with her closing the door to have a bitch about you, his wife. That was out of order.

Topseyt · 29/07/2019 14:51

Oh, and if you ever really do have to suffer their presence again just be formal and cool. Keep conversation to a bare minimum. Perhaps nothing at all, but certainly nothing more than just hello and goodbye.

Why pretend it was nice to see them when it wasn't? They aren't polite to you so you don't need to be anything more than coldly civil to them, if that.

ohfourfoxache · 29/07/2019 14:53

These people have simply proved that they are not worth the effort.

You need to accept that they are cuntweasels and, in the nicest way, move on. You don’t need to keep in contact with them.

FWIW it took me 15 years to accept my ILs are arse wipes (things that happened after DS1 was born burned their bridges with me) but the last 4 years has been wonderful in comparison because I now leave ALL communication to dh and only see MIL if I absolutely have to.

missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 14:55

Thank you so much for all this advice. It's really helping me see how dysfunctional they are. My DH has said that his life would be easier and happier if he went low/no contact but I can't imagine him actually doing that.
I don't really know why I have put up with it for so long. I think probably because they've always been difficult and dh has perhaps had a tendency to minimise their behaviour over the years as he's so used to it.
How do I go low contact in terms of the DC though? MIL has started her guilt tripping with our eldest DC now and she's starting to notice MIL's sullen behaviour too.

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missmillimentscardigan · 29/07/2019 14:57

I see that maybe it wasn't the best thing to say it was nic to see her as we left. I just didn't want to act like her, storming off etc

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1forAll74 · 29/07/2019 14:59

Your PIL sound really awful,especially the MIL, I would not like to be in the same room as her,never mind a house,or a holiday. I am surprised
that you organised a get together,knowing what they are like.although can understand it,based on your attempts to try and have a nice time all together.
The Pil obviously don't realise that they are being as they are,as no normal people would act the way they do,and be so awful to you.

It's all going to be an ongoing issue into the future,unless they can change,( Most unlikely) or you can speak out ,or not have much contact with them . All easier said,than done I know.

Mammajay · 29/07/2019 14:59

You are definitely trying too hard. I would tell my partner to visit them on his own, with or without the children depending on what works for him and the children. If he doesn't want to,that is his choice

ohfourfoxache · 29/07/2019 15:00

Keep the dc away. They don’t need to witness this batshittery. They have already damaged your dh with their behaviour, you don’t want your dc to end up in the same position

mussolini9 · 29/07/2019 15:01

How do I go low contact in terms of the DC though? MIL has started her guilt tripping with our eldest DC now and she's starting to notice MIL's sullen behaviour too.

My dear, you take the decision for the DCs.
MiL guilt-tripping is part of the whole parcel of her unacceptable behaviour toward you, & you do not need to listen to it or respond to it. You certainly don't want it impacting your children.

With low contact, perhaps the best way to organise it is by staying nearby & only meeting the PiL's at a neutral location - NEVER having them to stay at your lodgings.That way you can walk away if it becomes necessary.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/07/2019 15:04

I would be happy if my children had no contact with them if I were you. They are horrible and I guarantee your MIL will start treating them terribly as well. It's just a matter of time. Keep them away from these lunatics.

elfycat · 29/07/2019 15:06

DH is LC with his parents and I am NC. The holiday we took together was one of the final straws. Like you I tried everything to be kind, helpful and polite. Constantly on tenterhooks for their next criticism and worn down by their bullying. It got 100% worse when I had young children and was too tired to cope with all their shit. They contributed to my PND with DD2.

DH is a scapegoat child - the mistake pregnancy and was made to feel unwanted, stupid and useless his whole life. When he started taking a degree (with my pompom waving support) they went on an offensive of telling him (at 38) that he was too thick, the degree wouldn't further his career it has and seemed to be offended that he wasn't staying in the pigeon-hole they'd allocated to him. He lived in FOG before and LC was his only option on making a change to that. We've discussed that he subconsciously let them bully me because it took the pressure off him - and I was stronger and more secure in handling it - right up to the PND anyway.

If, if... DDs come home from a visit to theirs with any criticism of me, or any dampening of their ambitions or spirit they already have the 'clever' grandchild so the rest of them don't matter academically they will never see visit again. DH agrees that their negativity stops at his level. To be fair DH doesn't want to go often, so it's about 5 visits a year. I know they whinge and have a go at him when he does make the effort and they can't see that they are the authors of their own misery.

elfycat · 29/07/2019 15:08

*see them, or visit

Cat on keyboard as usual here

MissConductUS · 29/07/2019 15:09

If they have form for fault finding and negativity that will soon be directed at your DC has they grow older. You really need to protect them from that. Your oldest is already starting to feel it.

They are toxic. You owe them nothing. If they want a relationship they have to earn it.

Exhsuatedmuch · 29/07/2019 15:09

Sounds just like my family and just like a holiday we made the mistake of going on.. It was hell and hell for years. I finally went nc and wish I'd done it years before.. You're conditioned to put up with but don't have to. Biology means very little and happiness means everything. Leave people like this to swim in their own miserable pond I say.. Once that power is gone they have nothing.

Aussiebean · 29/07/2019 15:09

How does the mil get access to your eldest?

I am sure she is young enough for you to cut that off

1Wildheartsease · 29/07/2019 15:10

Your children are busy learning about how to behave and live in the adult world. A good relationship with GPs can be a wonderful addition to what they learn from you and your DH.

The relationship and behaviour of these GPs isn't the sort of example you want them to pick up !

justasking111 · 29/07/2019 15:13

I finally went no contact when my DS started noticing and was on the receiving end of the nonsense.

Re: Friday night phone calls is your DH has to take them, get him to say sorry mother you are drunk, phone when sober and hang up. I was not that polite on one occasion and told my DM to f off and hung up. Then switch the phone off. As for the suicide threats, believe me they will outlive most folk, they get off on the drama.

Teacakeandalatte · 29/07/2019 15:15

I get on well with my family but we hardly ever see each other due to being busy/different schedules etc. It should be easy to do it on purpose with parents who live far away and have already said they will stay in a hotel if they do visit.

BlamesFartsOnTheNeighbour · 29/07/2019 15:16

Sounds like my ILs. We had guests over for DD's birthday yesterday and FIL stormed out dickhead over a silly disagreement about whether or not DH did something completely trivial thirty years ago. Low contact is the way to go.

Sorryisntgoodenough · 29/07/2019 15:23

How do I go low contact in terms of the DC though? MIL has started her guilt tripping with our eldest DC now and she's starting to notice MIL's sullen behaviour too.

They live a long way away. Next time book a holiday cottage in the opposite direction with no spare room for them. Tell DH if he wants to see his parents he is welcome to pop down and visit them, alone, any time he likes.
Protect your DC and keep them well away from such vile people.

Giraffey1 · 29/07/2019 15:28

I’m astonished you’ve put up with this as long as you have. From what you have said, your in-laws are just not nice people, so I really think it’s time you and your DH put a stop to all this. In your shoes, I’d go very low or no contact and encourage my H to do the same. If these people were friends you’d both have binned them long ago.

If you go low contact then you won’t be able to hear the MiL gripes or complaints ... and you can keep your children safe from such toxic people. There is no law that says children must spend time with their grandparents!