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Uncomfortable with husbands relationship with his mother

75 replies

Belfield · 29/07/2019 10:47

Sorry this is quite long.

My MIL lives abroad and has come to visit. I have always felt that she is quite overbearing but am feeling now quite uncomfortable about the relationship between my husband and his mother and am not sure if I am overthinking it/paranoid or if something is off. Perhaps I am in the wrong. I am unsure. My husband is one of two sons. My husbands older brother is 45 and lives with his mother and does not work. She makes his dinner/lunch, cleans his clothes etc. and takes great pride in being the best mother ever. He came to live with us for a period and had a girlfriend but the mother was constantly on the phone and offered him a job in their country so he left and went back to live with her (he left the job shortly after). I took the view that this is none of my business but it is very clear to me that they are totally enmeshed with each other. The father lives there also but he seems largely ignored. The problem is that I think that she and my husband are also enmeshed and that I just haven't seen it or accepted it but then I think that I am only thinking it because she is enmeshed with her other son and am thinking it is the same but it is not. I just don't know.

I would love the view of others and would be quite happy if people said it was perfectly normal and I am just being paranoid. For context, I come from a completely different family. My parents have their own lives and are not that involved with their childrens lives. They could be more involved so they are the other extreme. Some examples are as follows:

Since she has visited, she has not left my husbands side except to go to the toilet and go to bed. He was washing the car and she stood there the whole time watching him. Between hoovering and hosing it was too noisy to talk so she just stood there looking at him. every room he is in, she was in. I have kept myself very busy because when she speaks with me it is constant critism. My husband laughs at this and I think acts as if two woman are fighting over him. When I have visited, she won't allow us to go to dinner alone or anywhere alone. She must come at all times. this included when we were very young and just dating. She talks on a permanent basis about what an amazing mother she is, how much she did for her children, how she is a better cook than anyone else, how she does more for her children than anyone else. it seems to be all she talks about and my husband seems all his time with her talking about what an amazing mother she was/is. She can be very rude to me and my husband never corrects her. I caught my husband looking at softcore older women videos. He is not that interested in sex. I am just starting to think this is all connected. Everytime she visits she makes an issue of something that I do to create a pick me situation and my husband always picks his mother. My husband can be cold and unsupportive and seeing him dance around her makes me think that it is not necessarily his personality. I don't know. I know his brother could never have a relationship with a woman because his mother would never facilitate it, everyone knows this and it is big joke in his wider family. I am now beginning to think that we are not as different but the physical distance has meant is is not as obvious. Maybe I am too controlling/difficult and he just has a good relationship with his mother which I don't understand because my own mother is not that involved with her own children.

OP posts:
Sunburntnoseandears · 29/07/2019 10:52

I didn't see that you have dc together.
The hills are that way before you do >>>

hellsbellsmelons · 29/07/2019 11:09

Do you have DC together?
Can you imagine how much worse this will get if you do?
Nothing you do as a mother to your own DC will be good enough.
She will pick and critise every single thing you do.
She will want her grand children in her country with her so really watch for that.
If you don't have DC together please really consider this relationship.
I mean, it's must be a huge turn off to see him like this with his mother and not supporting you at all. Fuck that!
You see so often on here how MIL like this ruin their DIL's
Don't let that be you.
As the PP said.
RUN - THE HILLS ARE THAT WAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

notapizzaeater · 29/07/2019 11:12

It's not a healthy relationship and the fact that he sides with her says everything. Run and run fast !

Treesthemovie · 29/07/2019 11:14

This level of involvement isn't normal, you don't sound controlling

Skittlenommer · 29/07/2019 11:15

Is she very old? What’s the chances of death in the near future?

She’s sounds a fucking delusional nightmare! And your DH should be ashamed for going along with it and not standing up for you. NOT OK!

Belfield · 29/07/2019 11:16

I should have mentioned we do have one DC. He is eight. She tried to tell me what to do with my DC but I fought back and she seems to have now just forgotten about him (as he doesn't conform) She has essentially completely ignored DC during this visit. focusing all her attention on DH and skyping her other son. They have gone out on a few trips and didn't bring DC. She gives him enough attention that it is not very obvious. Do you think my husband is enmeshed also? Is it possible that she has a dysfunctional relationship with one son but not the other?

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AutumnCrow · 29/07/2019 11:17

I agree. If you don't have children, AND IT'S SAFE, leave this farce behind you.

Would you feel safe leaving the relationship?

Belfield · 29/07/2019 11:19

skittlenommer she is in her early 60's

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Redshoeblueshoe · 29/07/2019 11:19

You don't sound controlling
The hills are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

AutumnCrow · 29/07/2019 11:20

Ok, so with a child it's more complicated - but not impossible - to end the marriage. You'll need to agree child arrangements but it sounds like your very unsupportive husband and his controlling mother might not even be that bothered.

Downunderduchess · 29/07/2019 11:22

Yeah sounds like a very freaky relationship. Something is not right there, even if it's benign as in they don't even realise they are behaving oddly or it's more than that, I wouldn't want to try & unravel that.

BarbedBloom · 29/07/2019 11:23

Unfortunately you have a DH problem. He doesn't defend you and has let this behaviour go on for a long time so to them, this is normal. Honestly, it doesn't sound like your relationship is great anyway given the lack of sex and his coldness. I would be considering my options if he wasn't willing to work on anything

justilou1 · 29/07/2019 11:25

Electra, much? How on earth do you think you can be successfully married to Oedipus?

Disfordarkchocolate · 29/07/2019 11:28

Even with a child, I would leave, the porn would have complete freaked me out to the point of being repulsed by him.

SoUnsettled2 · 29/07/2019 11:29

Run for the hills!!!

Whosorrynow · 29/07/2019 11:30

Nah

Aquamarine1029 · 29/07/2019 11:31

Your MIL makes my skin crawl. I would run from that mess and keep running.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 29/07/2019 11:36

The advantage of a MIL like that is that she will encourage her son to let you go and she won't care about getting your DS as long as she gets her DS back. Don't be surprised if when you leave, he moves back home with his mother.

Missingstreetlife · 29/07/2019 11:39

Lucky she's only visiting. How is it when she's not there? Yes it's very dysfunctional, but sounds like the brother got the worst of it.
The porn is a bit icky, would be a turn off apart from usual objection to objectifying and exploiting women.
If life is usually ok I'd be inclined to make myself scarce and ignore for short while and call him out afterwards in preparation for next time, couple counselling maybe? He's out of order but may be too entrenched to see it, or just placating her.
Never visit her, have her live with you, let him or her take your dc to their country or put your parental responsibility at risk (maybe an issue if you seperate, get legal advice about Hague convention)

StCharlotte · 29/07/2019 11:40

Well if you're not going to run for the hills, just be incredibly grateful she lives abroad.

Belfield · 29/07/2019 11:47

It wasn't porn that he was looking at but rather videos of older ladies in their underwear. Still icky. I only saw it one time and haven't since but now think it is a weird mother thing rather than just like looking at older women. Our relationship is not great but he thinks it is great. we were on holidays and he was very pushy about doing an activity that he used to do as a child. We like it too (swimming in the sea) but not everyday but he was insisting that we had to go but I put my foot down and said that DC wanted to do other activities also. It was like he was trying to re-create his childhood. He is quite pushy in general about all doing everything together which I find overbearing but which he says it is normal. Watching him and his mother is making me realize that it is their normal which is not necessarily my normal. My DC and DH go to see his family. I don't go but now think DC shouldn't go either.

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/07/2019 11:47

OP - please Google 'covert invest'. From what you've said your MiL has one outsized Jocasta complex and I think you have a prime contender for this here.

Your story is disturbing, as in anyone's language this is an incredibly unhealthy family dynamic. And I'm sorry to say that if a parent and child are this enmeshed, it's probably unlikely that this can be unpicked without extensive therapy. Also, to come to such a place your husband has to want to be helped. It might be very difficult for him to do so if he's come to see his family situation as in any way 'normal' (and to him, this will be normal as he's known nothing else).

It's a very, very tough one to navigate OP. Whatever you decide, here's lots of positivity and support coming your way. Flowers Flowers

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/07/2019 11:48

Sorry - above post should have read 'covert incest'. Not 'invest'.

kateandme · 29/07/2019 11:54

yes but your not going to do anything to change it or your situation are you.

AryaStarkWolf · 29/07/2019 11:57

it's sounds really creepy