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Uncomfortable with husbands relationship with his mother

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Belfield · 29/07/2019 10:47

Sorry this is quite long.

My MIL lives abroad and has come to visit. I have always felt that she is quite overbearing but am feeling now quite uncomfortable about the relationship between my husband and his mother and am not sure if I am overthinking it/paranoid or if something is off. Perhaps I am in the wrong. I am unsure. My husband is one of two sons. My husbands older brother is 45 and lives with his mother and does not work. She makes his dinner/lunch, cleans his clothes etc. and takes great pride in being the best mother ever. He came to live with us for a period and had a girlfriend but the mother was constantly on the phone and offered him a job in their country so he left and went back to live with her (he left the job shortly after). I took the view that this is none of my business but it is very clear to me that they are totally enmeshed with each other. The father lives there also but he seems largely ignored. The problem is that I think that she and my husband are also enmeshed and that I just haven't seen it or accepted it but then I think that I am only thinking it because she is enmeshed with her other son and am thinking it is the same but it is not. I just don't know.

I would love the view of others and would be quite happy if people said it was perfectly normal and I am just being paranoid. For context, I come from a completely different family. My parents have their own lives and are not that involved with their childrens lives. They could be more involved so they are the other extreme. Some examples are as follows:

Since she has visited, she has not left my husbands side except to go to the toilet and go to bed. He was washing the car and she stood there the whole time watching him. Between hoovering and hosing it was too noisy to talk so she just stood there looking at him. every room he is in, she was in. I have kept myself very busy because when she speaks with me it is constant critism. My husband laughs at this and I think acts as if two woman are fighting over him. When I have visited, she won't allow us to go to dinner alone or anywhere alone. She must come at all times. this included when we were very young and just dating. She talks on a permanent basis about what an amazing mother she is, how much she did for her children, how she is a better cook than anyone else, how she does more for her children than anyone else. it seems to be all she talks about and my husband seems all his time with her talking about what an amazing mother she was/is. She can be very rude to me and my husband never corrects her. I caught my husband looking at softcore older women videos. He is not that interested in sex. I am just starting to think this is all connected. Everytime she visits she makes an issue of something that I do to create a pick me situation and my husband always picks his mother. My husband can be cold and unsupportive and seeing him dance around her makes me think that it is not necessarily his personality. I don't know. I know his brother could never have a relationship with a woman because his mother would never facilitate it, everyone knows this and it is big joke in his wider family. I am now beginning to think that we are not as different but the physical distance has meant is is not as obvious. Maybe I am too controlling/difficult and he just has a good relationship with his mother which I don't understand because my own mother is not that involved with her own children.

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IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 11:59

Screams emotional incest

RaggeddeeAnn · 29/07/2019 11:59

Which country are they from? Because you are describing normal family dynamics for both Italy and Spain. (Apart from the looking at women in underwear bit of course). It may be culture shock more than anything.

Belfield · 29/07/2019 12:04

RaggeddeeAnn they are from a European Country not the ones mentioned but close by. I put it down to culture for a long time but from people he knows they don't seem to have the same dynamic despite coming from the same Country. I now think it is more than that. I just feel there is something amiss which i have excused by culture.

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IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:05

Greece!?

LazyLizzy · 29/07/2019 12:06

Why would you want to be with him anyway? He doesn't enhance your life?

Your DC needs to be brought up in a normal home without a weirdo father. I'd be moving out for DC's sake.

foreverhanging · 29/07/2019 12:08

Run like the wind op!

lmusic87 · 29/07/2019 12:10

Oh god, how weird.

I would seriously think if you are happy to be with him.

CrackOn · 29/07/2019 12:11

Watch Everybody Loves Raymond. I'd she like the grandmother on that?

IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:14

The bit where your DH is enjoying “two women fighting over him” is rather telling.

How would he feel OP, if you enjoyed your father putting your husband down and found it cute that they’re doing the “pick me” dance? So much ego to the point of selfishness.

Secondly.. how’s ur relationship like with your FIL? If I were you, I would go make best friends with him. That should make her insecure enough to go focus on her own husband.

Thirdly, I’m cultured where mothers are enmeshed with their boys... usually what creates some sort of buffer/boundary is the fact that the girls family are also enmeshed in her life.. and so usually the husband knows how it feels like and he is busy toeing the line with her family too.. which helps him grow some bloody empathy as he sees how his wife would behave to support him and would do that too..

In your situation, your family are independent and to themselves.. so he has the liberty to assume that he has a “special” bond with his family that you just don’t understand.

I don’t know the solution.. you could try reverse psychology like a meany...

Become best friends with his dad and pressure him to toe the line with him.. watch how he will hate it.. or go overboard with asking him to be a good boy to his mother:

“MIL, DH said he will buy you a diamond necklace worth 20K” . Or “DH said he wants to take you meet all his colleagues at work” . Watch him pee his pants and realize how ugly it is to be put in situations where you are requested to let go of your “choices” just to please a partner.

IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:16

Gang up on him with her and he will want to keep you away from each other. That should be good revenge for him enjoying the pick me dance..

However it won’t solve your problem. You have a difficult marriage and I’m glad she lives very far.. and your DH has issues

IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:22

Men like this are desperate for their mums to view them as a favorite... because of probably sibling rivalry she created herself.

So no matter what you see it’s an intrinsic thing he won’t change without therapy.

But what they do, is that they’re not willing to give up their own happiness and comfort to gain her approval and instead dump that unto their wives... while they get the badge as a goody goody.

He is probably going through a complex and was probably emotionally abused with comparisons and favoritism.. and still has this inner child that desperately wants his mama to like him.

So for him to face the absurdity of his complex he needs to pay the price himself. Not you.

You will need to shift the rediculous exploitative “expectations” that he is imposing on you, unto him. Because that’s when he will resent it... and want some change.

So yeh, make him very busy with his own impossible standards instead of accepting them to be lazily thrown on u..

Until he decided to change.

Belfield · 29/07/2019 12:26

IABUQueen I don't think she would join me in ganging up on him. I am very much the outsider in their dynamic.

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IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:28

And if he asks you why u putting him in awkward positions with his mum just say:

“I noticed that you really want to please her, when you do things like stay quiet when she cristises me. I sympathize with your need for your mums approval. So I thought I’d support you”.

And keep mentioning every time you see her: “MIL, DH was telling me the other day how much he loves his brother and wants to buy him a GUCCI suit as a gift. Isn’t he so sweet”.

It’s quite mean. But he is being really mean to u. And so you either be kind to yourself or give him a taste of his own medicine.

IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:30

Benfield it’s great that you are an outsider.

Just play into his stupid people pleasing.

I don’t mean she will wanna be friends with you after this. Hell no who needs that for a friend.

I mean, you will put pressure on your DH to meet her now unrealistic expectations and so will realize he needs to get over his people pleasing otherwise it will come at HIS expense not yours

Belfield · 29/07/2019 12:30

IABUQueen yes he has talked about his brother being her favourite and being treated better than him so I think that is part of it. I think it is better for him that he is not her "favourite". I see her as abusive but he sees her as an amazing mother. He actually compares her parenting to mine and when I try to give our son independence by not doing things for him, he sees this as me being lazy as his mother would have done everything for him. he doesn't seem to understand that she was doing everything for them so she could control them. I have to think of myself and our DC now though.

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IABUQueen · 29/07/2019 12:32

Do that every time he lets her critisize you and stays quiet enjoying the scene. Kill the joy

PuzzledObserver · 29/07/2019 12:32

Even if it’s cultural, doesn’t mean it’s not unhealthy. Cultural things can be respected and accepted, but if they are causing damage then they need to be challenged.

It’s up to you, OP. He’s grown up with this, he thinks it’s normal - even if it is only partly cultural. As others have said, it would take huge effort on his part to get unmeshed, and that will only happen if he sees the need.

You can’t control what he does. You can decide what you do.

Mumminmum · 29/07/2019 12:35

leave him.

peekyboo · 29/07/2019 12:49

You could post for advice even without his mother here. Take her out of the equation and you have a cold spouse who isn't interested in sex, who criticises your parenting and looks at old women in underwear. This does not sound like a great relationship.

Then factor in his mother and you have two people in your house and life who think you don't measure up. Meanwhile they have a cosy club where everything is just lovely and nobody else knows the secret password.

NorthernSpirit · 29/07/2019 12:56

This is going to end badly for you. Get out would be my advice.

My now OH left his EW for her overbearing mother. She wound phone 3 x a day. Come to stay (without being invited EVERY weekend). Wouldn’t include him in conversation. She abs his EW wound side with each other and criticise him.

This is not hearty. As parents your role is to give children independence and let them make their own lives. She is living her life through her children and I doubt this will change.

SoundsAboutRight · 29/07/2019 12:57

How long is she staying with you for?

Belfield · 29/07/2019 13:04

Soundsaboutright just for another week or so. I am not finding it difficult as I am keeping busy and they are doing their own thing. It is more that as I am just keeping low, I am observing more and just seeing the dynamic and I find it weird but was wondering if it is normal. It appears not.

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Coyoacan · 29/07/2019 13:05

He actually compares her parenting to mine and when I try to give our son independence by not doing things for him, he sees this as me being lazy as his mother would have done everything for him

All her good parenting has resulted in an unemployed middle-aged man with no family of his own who lives with his mother.

HaileySherman · 29/07/2019 13:06

It's weird and creepy. Personally I'd want out of the marriage, but if you choose not to, make sure you do what you have to so your child isn't affected by this craziness. Count your blessings that your MIL isn't too interested in your child.

Whosorrynow · 29/07/2019 13:16

I thought this thread was a wind up at first but now I am recognising the dynamic in my own family 😳

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