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Wondering if he'll cheat again

92 replies

JaneyJimplin · 17/07/2019 22:20

I'm posting here because I'm not sure what to do in real life.

My OH had an affair about 18m ago with a work colleague. In the aftermath of me finding out, he transferred to a different branch of his work , coincidentally she also moved abroad, so that's def over. We had counselling, he was remorseful, yadda yadda. Things have mostly been ok since.

I've been paranoid about another work colleague for a while. He works with many women, but I guess it's the little things that have alerted me. The mentionitis. He also once said to me how proud he was of her: she had started out as as a junior and worked her way up to management at a relatively young age. The comment rankled at the time but I couldn't place why, until I read a MN thread about another husband overly invested in a female work colleague's achievements, and someone insightful pointed out something along the lines of "but they're never that interested in Keith from accounts, are they?" and I realised it rankled because he is only ~interested~ proud because she's young, female, and attractive.

Fortunately for me, she got promoted again and so moved to another branch. Great, I thought - no reason for them to mingle.

Today we were driving to the airport to go on holiday and his phone rang. He has his hands free automatically connected to his car so the caller shows up on the media screen. Phone rings, we both see her name on the screen, he rejects the call (not entirely unusual when the kids are in the car, as they're noisy). A moment passes, and he says "that's the second time she's called me, I hope nothing is up" (as in work issues).
This evening I've snooped at his phone and seen the following WhatsApp exchange:

Him : all ok?
Her : yes, just calling to say have fun on your holiday and be careful!! X (It's an activity holiday)
Him : thanks. Meet up for a coffee and catch up when I'm back x

Am I wrong to think this might be heading somewhere beyond professional relations?

My gut is saying this is just a flirtation, bordering on inappropriate friendship, with a potential to grow in to another affair. I might be being paranoid because of history, but his modus operandi is definitely attractive young junior colleague who fawns over him.

If he does it again, we will be finished. I'd like to nip it in the bud before it reaches that stage.

How do I proceed? Tell him I've snooped and he better wind his dick in before things go too far? He might deny and act the victim and then just hide things better. Or do I visit her branch and tell her to back off? Downside is I'll look crazy (justified tbh) and embarrass him professionally. Or do I do nothing and stew... or something else?

What would you do?

In anticipation of all the LTB comments: our kids have SEN and wouldn't be right at this stage for them to have us separate. My goal.is to keep us as this ~somewhat~ happy family unit for as long as possible for them.

OP posts:
bratzilla · 17/07/2019 22:42

There’s no point having a frank conversation, it’ll just be lies and him minimising everything.

JaneyJimplin · 17/07/2019 22:44

Bratzilla - probably. He is prone to feeling sorry for himself/acting persecuted. I anticipate a hangdog expression and lots of "I haven't done anything" type whining.

OP posts:
JaneyJimplin · 17/07/2019 22:45

Maybe I should drag him back to counselling

OP posts:
TeaForTheWin · 17/07/2019 22:47

Maybe I should drag him back to counselling

Lol, cause it worked so well the first time.... … …

Counselling cant fix his kind of broken.

PicsInRed · 17/07/2019 22:50

He's a philanderer and he'll never change.

Guiltypleasures001 · 17/07/2019 22:53

If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't have rejected the call

I doubt he's learnt much from the last time, and he has zero empathy for your feelings or boundaries for himself

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 17/07/2019 22:54

Sadly my experience is that he won’t change. Do it once and it’s easier to do it over and over and I’ve seen that, lived it. Sorry OP but it’s nowhere to live.

TheFaerieQueene · 17/07/2019 22:56

He can’t ever say he hasn’t done anything. He had a bloody affair that has ripped your world apart. Just because it is in the past doesn’t make it less of a betrayal.
If he really cared about you and wanted to protect you - he wouldn’t be sending texts like that or encouraging receiving them - in the first place.

LenoVentura · 17/07/2019 22:57

You say you want to keep the family together and you're prepared to put up with less than ideal behaviour to achieve that BUT what if that isn't what he wants? What if he's not going to put your children first? What then? You can't force it together on your own.

KOKOtiltomorrow · 17/07/2019 22:57

@Guiltyplewaures101 has nailed it. Sorry you are going through this OP Flowers

Giraffey1 · 17/07/2019 23:05

I’ve been thinking about this. I’ve been working for 40 years and I can’t think of one single occasion where I’ve felt the need to WhatsApp (or equivalent) a colleague to tell them to be careful and have fun on holiday. Or to suggest a coffee when they get back.

Tweetingmagpie · 17/07/2019 23:13

As someone who has been there, LTB.

Your life will be so much better and you could even end up with someone lovely who won’t cheat on you.

TheStuffedPenguin · 17/07/2019 23:17

You seem to think you can stop him Confused .

NomDeQwerty · 17/07/2019 23:21

You can't shut it down. Sorry but you can't. He will do what he wants and he'll blame you / be more careful you don't find out. No one who had genuinely done the necessary work to understand the extent of the pain they caused would have boundaries so slack as to get and send messages like that.
You'll never ever be able to trust him.
You get to have pain OP - you just have choices about which sort.
I'm finding the Chumplady book very useful in the process of divorcing my repeat cheater.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/07/2019 23:26

Well he’s not remorseful enough to stop having close work friendships with attractive young women.

He wants to adulation. He'll do it again if you confront him, just more sneakily.

LizzieSiddal · 17/07/2019 23:30

My issue is that I want to stop him before it reaches that stage so my kids can have a happy family.

So you stop him this time with this woman. What you going to do next year when a new, young woman comes to work on his office?

Youre H is a lying scumbag.
He’s had an affair.
He then got very friendly with another college but she “thankfully” moved away.
So this is the third time he’s heading for an affair.

He is not going to change!

DianaT1969 · 17/07/2019 23:46

Where do you see yourself in 10 years OP? Single and perhaps online dating? Feeling worn out from raising DC with him, but never trusting him? I think you have to get selfish and start working on an exit plan that gives you freedom to meet a committed partner in the future - if that's what you want. Sooner rather than later. A marriage ending when you're 50 is no more fun than ending now.
It might mean getting back to work full-time (if you aren't already) or retraining.

SurfingGiantess · 18/07/2019 00:00

I'm so sorry this happened to you and it must be exhausting living in constant fear of him doing it again.
But it's not your fault. If he wants to do it he will no matter what you try to prevent it.
If it were me I'd demand for him to not see other females in private ever again because of his history and see how he reacts.
If he wants to be with only you he will gladly do anything to make you feel that you can trust him...
If he kicks up a fuss he's probably into her...

Being brutally honest though I'd let him know you've snooped and find it inappropriate. Why would she ring to wish him a good holiday. Could she not have done that at work. I'd then tell him to get cracking with her and to f$#@ off.
Life's not for being anxious and miserable.

Closetbeanmuncher · 18/07/2019 00:01

He hasn't even begun to know what his " lesson" was

Fully agree with this....I'm also guessing this was how the last affair started.

Forget counselling you're wasting your time; my advice is to manovoure yourself into a position financially and logistically where you can cope without him.

Unfortunately all your forgiveness has done is given him the green light to further take the piss.

Having to police your husband because he can't establish appropriate boundaries and keep his cock in his trousers does not make for a successful marriage.

HRMumness · 18/07/2019 00:02

My soon to be ex DH cheated. We had a brief reconciliation which ended when he left again. It’s been awful but you know what, my two DDs and I are like a billion times happier without that grumpy miserable arsehole. I am so glad I didn’t have to spend months being the marriage police. It’s no way to live.

You and your children will be happy without him. You will still be an intact family, you will just be minus one cheating idiot.

LTB. Flowers for you OP and go read ChumpLady.

user1479305498 · 18/07/2019 00:06

I don’t think those messages are that heavy and I say this as someone who was crapped on, however I think that the issue is his natural ‘style’ is of the ‘lets meet and catch up and have a coffee’ , female colleagues probably like him because he is like that (as is my H) and it all gets a bit close to home for you OP because of the past track record. What I would say to him is’i would rather you didn’t have coffees and catch ups with females you no longer work with if you don’t mind’ it makes me feel uncomfortable after what’s happened before, is that ok? And see his response, if he has any shame or empathy he will back off— oh and don’t feel guilty about snooping, if some random women was phoning twice when I was in the car I would be snooping too.

user1481840227 · 18/07/2019 00:06

You're not protecting your children while they are so young.
This home environment ie. the relationship between you and your husband, the way you and your husband treat each other etc. will influence and impact on future relationships greatly.
If you want to protect them then staying in a relationship where your husband cheats and is probably cheating again isn't the way to do that.

AlexaAmbidextra · 18/07/2019 00:22

My issue is that I want to stop him before it reaches that stage so my kids can have a happy family.

Christ. What an exhausting way to live. Look, if you have to stop him then imo, you might as well just let it carry on. He needs to stop himself but it doesn’t look as though he’s intending to. I’m sorry but I think you’re on a loser here.

McShakey · 18/07/2019 00:26

I honestly believe that he will never learn his ‘lesson’ and you will spend your life constantly worrying about who he’s talking to etc. That relationship isn’t healthy OP.

TheStoic · 18/07/2019 01:15

In anticipation of all the LTB comments: our kids have SEN and wouldn't be right at this stage for them to have us separate. My goal.is to keep us as this ~somewhat~ happy family unit for as long as possible for them.

If that's the case, does it matter what he's up to right now?

You both know you won't leave, so why would he not do exactly what he wants?