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This is why you need to LTB.

83 replies

Chaichailatte · 02/07/2019 17:55

My heart is breaking for an elderly female relative of mine.

She has been married over 50 years. Her husband is not a good man. He has never hit her or laid a finger on her, he doesn't drink, swear, or gamble, he is a respected pillar of the community who has worked hard and provided well for their family, but he has ruined her life.

He is controlling and exacting to a huge degree. She had a pet she loved - one day she came home and it was gone - he was sick of its hair on the sofa. She has not worked since they got married, he controls all the money down to every penny. He tells her what to wear and how to wear it. She has never learnt to drive. She liked a certain type of music, and he destroyed her tapes.

Here's the thing. For years, it was OK. It was liveable. He worked long hours, and she devoted herself to her family of four children, then later, her grandchildren. She is a woman who never asked for much - all she ever wanted was to get married and have children,and they were her everything. She had some lovely times, days out with the other mothers she met through church, picnics at the beach while her husband was working. She has always been very lucky in that she had lots of female relatives and friends who she knew from childhood.

They are all dead now. All of them. Her last dear friend died two years ago, her children have pulled further and further away, as their father tried to exert the same control he held over them as children into adulthood.

He has finally retired - he worked for years past "official" retirement age. His health has declined - we think he may have early onset dementia, though it's hard to tell and she'll never get him to a doctor, not until the situation is desperate. It's hard to tell what could be a medical problem, and what is merely the behaviour of a controlling man who is getting old, grumpy and bitter over his position in the world slipping into one of little importance. The grandchildren are growing up, and also don't want to spend any time around him, which cuts out my relative as he now insists on going everywhere with her.

Basically what I'm saying is, it will only get worse. If you are in a similar marriage and you feel like you can cope and manage right now/it's worth staying for the children/for financial reasons, chances are your DH is still young enough to work and follow his hobbies. Chances are you may only spend a few hours a day in his company. This isn't the worst part of your relationship. That is up ahead.

The most awful thing for my relative, from what she tells me, is that she now has no hope. Time is running out for her. When she was younger, even when things were awful, there was always the hope they could change, but now her time is running out, and her life has shrunk down and the likelihood of it changing is slim- I and another relative are supporting her and would offer her a place to stay/help to leave, but the chances of that are slim.

I probably haven't done a very good job of describing the situation, but it's honestly horrifying. There is no violence but a constant underlying dread of his contained aggression and verbal abuse. At a time of her life when she should be resting and enjoying herself, she wakes up every morning dreading what is to come, and she gets practically no respite, and she can't get away. Hearing the descriptions of her life, it's claustrophobic just to listen to.

I have her permission to post this - I was in a bad relationship in my younger days and she supported me when I left, and I have seen a lot of the red flags I missed in MN posts since--they're all the same, these men.

I am just so heartbroken for her and so devestated that this is where someone's life can end up.

OP posts:
user1465335180 · 02/07/2019 18:23

You're post is so sad OP, I hope it will inspire someone to go out and reclaim their life.

ChuckleBuckles · 02/07/2019 19:40

My heart sank reading this, wishing you both the best and I hope she can find some happiness for herself Flowers

DharmaInitiativeLady · 02/07/2019 19:47

Oh I needed to hear this today. Thank you, OP and tell her that this strikes a deep chord with me.

Countrypie · 02/07/2019 20:09

Your post is so sensitive and personal. Are you sure you're not describing yourself OP? Is it you who has been stuck in this awful marriage?

Chaichailatte · 02/07/2019 20:13

No, it's not me. My relative is someone I love very much, and although some of her situation has always been obvious, it is only recently that she has opened up about how she is feeling and how bad it is getting. I think I feel it particularly because I can see that there for but the grace of God go I. My relative has never asked for much in life, she would have been happy to grow old peacefully with her family around her, the fact she is being denied this is breathtakingly cruel, and I am so upset I can't do more.

OP posts:
Trethew · 02/07/2019 20:17

If she feels strong enough with your support she should leave. She has nothing to lose and so much to gain

10marlboroughlites · 02/07/2019 20:19

That is a terribly sad story. Poor lady. I hope she can find the find the courage to leave him and enjoy the rest of her life with her children and grand children......surely it can be never too late.

MatildaTheCat · 02/07/2019 20:20

That’s so awful and probably not even that uncommon.

I Knew someone who was in a similar situation but her H was more unwell than your friend’s H. She became so depressed and unable to seek any help that she, very sadly , took her own life. She expected her H to go into care but in fact he lived several more years at home.

It was just so bloody sad.

She has you as a friend, OP. Keep supporting her and encourage her to seek support from her GP and Age Concern.

Nextphonewontbesamsung · 02/07/2019 20:23

That is indeed truly heartbreaking and I am sure there are many elderly couples in similar circumstances. Are you absolutely sure you can't find a way for her to leave, op?

Catparent · 02/07/2019 20:25

This is very sad to hear. I know it’s unlikely your relative will feel able to leave, but when I went on a training course about domestic abuse the trainer told us about a lady in her 70s who had finally left her abusive marriage after 50+ years and gone to a refuge after her granddaughter persuaded her. The lady had always said she didn’t think she could/should leave as “he never hit me”. So there’s always hope x

Lllot5 · 02/07/2019 20:25

I’d be tempted to put sometime his tea. (Joking sort of).
Honestly I would keep supporting her and trying to persuade her to leave. I’m guessing she’s in her seventies? Still not too late to have a better life. Can you contact her children. See if they can encourage her to leave.

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 02/07/2019 20:26

Thats quite powerful to read OP. If your post makes people re-think their lives, then you've helped massively already. So sad to read though, and I sincerely hope this poor lady manages to find peace

CallMeOnMyCell · 02/07/2019 20:34

This is so sad. My mother is in a similar situation and I’ve had to resign myself to the fact that my step father will always be the one in control.

PicsInRed · 02/07/2019 20:39

Christ that's bleak.
That poor woman.

TroysMammy · 02/07/2019 20:55

This has saddened me.

My DM was moaning about my DF a few months ago and I asked her "if you had your time again would you have stayed married?". She swiftly said " no".

My DF is not physically abusive or controlling but they do nothing together. As soon as my DM passed her driving test he never went food shopping with her. He reluctantly went on holiday and over the last few years has point blank refused to go. They never go out for lunch or dinner or days out together. There is no affection and even growing up I never saw it. He told my DM after they got married "I don't like kissing".

Over the last few years I've thought he could be autistic. I feel sad for my DM.

WhoAmIToTellYou · 02/07/2019 21:16

That’s exactly the thoughts i’m having at the moment. My dh is not controlling but just not interested in me and i’m tired of doing all in the house. I’m finding myself dreading growing old with him, when kids grow up there will be nothing left. No conversation, no doing things together. I’m wondering if it’s time for me to get out whilst i still can potentially build something better. Impact on kids is stopping me, i think i could still afford a mortgage at this stage of my life. I’m stuck in limbo.

Happynow001 · 02/07/2019 21:17

Poor lady - she is trapped, at least whilst he has mental capacity. Thank goodness she has you to talk to.

Are you able to speak to her children to outline the situation she is in, in case they can help as a group?

WhoAmIToTellYou · 02/07/2019 21:19

TroysMummy, your parents sound so much like me and dh. He hated driving us to so shopping and was happy when i could drive myself. Never arranges for us to go anywhere.
Can i ask, what impact it had on you as a child not seeing affection between your parents? Was you able to have a happy relationship yourself?

Smuckers · 02/07/2019 21:34

OP: long time lurker here. 3rd post ever written on MN. Your post has struck me to my core. You tell your relative to go. Run. She can and she must.

However, that’s arrogant and extremely insensitive of me to say that and I don’t mean to condescend her and her situation. But my god, it makes me mad. If she can’t, or feel she is unable too run, then she will need you so much. I hope you have the support and strength to do that. The way you have written your post is so extremely sensitive and saddening. I can feel how much you love her. Tell her that her story has rung true for strangers that she will never meet. And she will make me stick to a course of action I have doubted. But I will stick to it. For me and my boy. I’m hope with all my heart she finds joy in whoever and however she can. Sending you and her much love from afar.

K1ng6K0ng629 · 02/07/2019 21:39

Does your relative have access to any money on a daily basis or savings of her own ?

Can she file for divorce ?

This situation is possibly not uncommon

fotheringhay · 02/07/2019 21:39

TroysMummy my marriage was like that towards the end. I stayed 10 years longer than I should have, even having dc, hoping it would improve.

The dc are fine after the split, and I feel like a new person. I still get extremely sad and quite angry but life's getting brighter every day.

Everyone considering leaving - try to set up a support system, people really do want to help. Especially other women who've gone through it themselves, then take the leap.

I've become a relationship self-help book junkie and I couldn't be more certain I did the right thing. A life being ignored is no life at all

MrsMozartMkII · 02/07/2019 21:44

She can still claim her life back, with your help OP.

She's still breathing and she's still compus mentis. She can get out.

fotheringhay · 02/07/2019 21:47

I hate that there are still men who think it's ok to treat their wives like this Angry

putastrawunderbaby · 02/07/2019 21:49

Such a poignant post, and I would bet that for every person who posts to say it struck a chord, there will be many more who don't comment but who are touched. I hope this inspires someone to leave a bad situation. It's terrifying, but the alternative is worse and from personal experience I know that Mumsnet will hold the hand of anyone who needs it and get them through the darkness and out into the light. Big love to you and this dear woman OP.

AntiHop · 02/07/2019 21:54

What a sad situation. She has to find a way to leave.

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