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I need a female perspective/complex/infidelity

57 replies

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 12:02

Hi, I’ll get straight to the point, way back in late 2011, my partner and I (I’m male btw) who at that point had been together for 13 years were in a bad way. Taking each other for granted, little digs at each other, practically no sex life. My partner went away with her family for two weeks as I had work commitments so couldn’t go. Whilst she was away, I did a very foolish thing by having a brief 2-3 week affair with a woman who made it clear that she was interested in me, and my partner suspected her intentions as well way before that (we were all on the same social scene)
I at the time suspected my partner was also misbehaving, secret calls, protecting her phone, and me catching her one late on our garden path after a night out talking to someone, when I opened our door she couldn’t put it down fast enough and claimed it was just a colleague, I didn’t believe her.
Basically, we were toxic and on the verge of splitting, and I had this guilty secret, I wrongly justified it in my head that we were probably going to split, so what did it matter, selfish and incredibly hurtful and deceitful in my part.
Things improved slightly over the Xmas and new year, but it all went back the same just before end of jan 2012, when she was due to go away for 10 weeks on business in different countries. We both knew deep down that this absence would either kill or cure our relationship.
Whilst she was away I discovered back up texts from her iPhone on our shared laptop, basically sexting different men, and very flirty texts with a colleague.
When I told her that I ha these texts, she told me that it had stopped just before Xmas (hence our improvements I guess) and it was during that period and just after she came back from her trip with her parents and my affair (although she still didn’t know about it)
We talked and she said she did as she wanted to feel loved and attractive again if we split as she also felt we were nearing the end of our relationship, and wanted to know she could still have a life afterwards. She said she never met anyone and nothing physical ever happened as it was sexting and one she admitted to watching on Facebook masturbating, she says she didn’t respond in kind.
She said she finally stopped after she started feeling used and degraded. I asked about the colleague and she said it was purely ott flirting for the same reasons as the sexting (all this done via the app blendr)

Anyway, when her trip was over, we had talked before she came home that we would make a go of it, shortly after her return she fell pregnant, we now have a son (I have two grown up children from my previous marriage)
We are still together, but my guilt has always eaten at me, that I didn’t confess way back in 2012, although in reality neither did She, I happened on it, but it still gnawed at me as I will admit that I sometimes threw her sexting etc in her face in arguments, totally out of order on my part considering.
Last week, I told her, I don’t know why, but I had this urge to do so, the guilt had finally caught up with me, she was devastated, and in the same conversation told me that she had a one night stand her first week away on business with a colleague from that office not her uk one. She said it was a drunken mistake, it was over in minutes and she regrets it but at the time she said in her head we were finished, she also confessed to kissing the colleague from the ott texts way back in late 2011, briefly in a stock room but she states it was very brief and not sexual.
Cutting to the chase, this all came out last Thursday, she came home Friday to tell me she had something to tell me as she had been to see her work supplied counsellor, and I must promise not to be angry, I was expecting more revelations about that period or her business trip, she said she lied about the one night stand to hurt me, it didn’t actually happen, I am struggling to believe her as she provided a lot of specific detail of how it happened etc.
We are both hurting, our emotions are changing day by day, I want us to still work it out and move forward, she does one day, then yesterday says she’s still unsure and confused or scared of the future, and if we have one together.
I believe there is hope, is we have plans next month and a big family holiday later this year she is still talking about.
Should I just take my medicine, give her time and space (which I am doing) or try to bring it to a head and get it resolved one way or another?
Mightily confused, hugely ashamed of what I did, but need advice and opinions

Thank you for reading

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BIWI · 25/06/2019 12:05

I think you need to go to couples counselling. Sounds like you both - despite your issues - would like to make it work, so talking these things through with an objective party would help you decide how to move on.

sonjadog · 25/06/2019 12:05

This relationship sounds like a massive headfuck. It really shouldn't be this hard to be faithful to one another. I suggest you call it quits, and focus on successful co-parenting instead.

NameChangeNugget · 25/06/2019 12:08

There’s a big old world out there and it would be better faced without her

Sunshineandflipflops · 25/06/2019 12:16

I have to agree with @sonjadog. It shouldn't be this difficult to be and be faithful to someone you love, yet neither of you seem to be able to manage it.

ThatCurlyGirl · 25/06/2019 12:20

What @Sunshineandflipflops said:

It shouldn't be this difficult to be and be faithful to someone you love, yet neither of you seem to be able to manage it

Bang on. Sounds like you both rely on behaving equally poorly in the relationship. But if you're both acting poorly what relationship is there?

You both deserve better and it really, really sounds like it's time to move on.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 12:37

I understand that point if it were more than a one off, all this happened 7-8 years ago, I know that I have been faithful since this, I believe she has too, but I was looking for opinions, so thank you

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Moralitym1n1 · 25/06/2019 12:44

I'll be blunt, I think she's going to cheat on you i.e. proper affair sometime in the future.

She's already been sexting, flirting, kissing, having sort of emotional affairs ... Now that she knows you've cheated fully yourself, she hasnt even got the boundary (for lack of a better word) to not do the same. She knows you have. She knows you lied about it for years. She also knows you raised her sexting and flirting during arguments, all the while knowing you'd find worse.

Maybe I'm just projecting what i'd do, but I think she might "properly" cheat sometime in the future.

Moralitym1n1 · 25/06/2019 12:45
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Fool123 · 25/06/2019 12:50

Does anyone think she lied about the one night stand, ie, it did actually happen and she is doing damage and reputation limitation/protection ?

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Moralitym1n1 · 25/06/2019 12:50

That seriously undermines any loyalty or integrity she might have felt bound by.
It's even worse that it was someone she knew and felt uncomfortable/had vibes about.

I think the bitterness and betrayal with come through.

You're in a catch 22 because you've scuppered many of her reasons to be faithful and make it work, but if you hadn't done what you've done you would still be in a shitty situation, in having a disloyal, uncommitted wife who was sexting, flirting, having emotional affairs etc.

Maybe counseling can help you, I don't know. It's worth a shot as you have a family.

Moralitym1n1 · 25/06/2019 12:54

Impossible to say, though it seems more likely to me that she lied/exaggerated to try to hurt you, having just been hurt badly by you .. and has now corrected that.

Sunshineandflipflops · 25/06/2019 12:55

From a more personal perspective, I found out my husband had had a ONS when I was heavily pregnant with our second child. I decided to try and make it work as we had young kids, blah blah and although we went on to have 10 more happy years together, I never felt the same way again about him or our marriage (this is something I have only recently realised) or about fidelity.

He then went on to have a full blown affair 10 years later which ended things completely because I'm not sure people actually change that much and once you've 'forgiven' it once, it's a green card to do it again.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 12:58

Am I wrong in thinking that part of me wants it to be true, because it can then be dealt with, box it/accept it was during a very bad period for both of us 7 years ago
(Ie, taking my medicine as stated) rather than having the doubt all over again

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category12 · 25/06/2019 13:01

I think it's very possible she lied about the one night stand to get back at you. I can see why she would jump to that given your confession, in an effort to hurt you back. (Also possible it's true.)

Let's face it, you're never going to be sure either way.

But hey, you fucked someone else, so what does it matter? The only difference is whether you get to chuck that in her face or not, really. If you both want to make it work, then moving forward is only really possible if you both accept you fucked up bad, and close the chapter.

Relationship counselling probably a good shout.

category12 · 25/06/2019 13:04

I think you want it to be true because then you're as bad as each other and you wouldn't need to feel as bad for cheating yourself. (And throwing her lesser bad behaviour in her face as a massive hypocrite). At least be honest with yourself about that.

sonjadog · 25/06/2019 13:05

But it isn't just a one off, is it? She has been sexting and flirting with other men on several different occasions and has now maybe been unfaithful. It seems a bit like you are trying to minimize this whole situation so that you can persuade yourself that it is really nothing and just carry on as before.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 13:08

I Mean one off as it all happened during one period 8 years ago, 3-4 weeks, yes different people

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PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 25/06/2019 13:09

Whether she lied or not is almost moot; your relationship sounds pretty horrible with

  • infidelity
  • lies
  • digs
  • one upmanship

Life’s too short. Seriously. And if you do stay together “for your child” then get both couples and individual therapy. You both need to suss our what’s the benefit of this relationship to you both.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 13:11

It truly isn’t for that reason, but again, I wanted opinions, I’m getting them

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tenlittlecygnets · 25/06/2019 13:23

Impossible to know what she did or didn't do. But you had an affair for 2-3 weeks so why the hell are you even focusing on your partner's 'possible' phone messages? You're the one who should feel most guilty.

I have no idea why you finally told your partner. To clear your consience? Instead you've left her with the burden to shoulder. That's going to be absolutely massive for her to get over, especially after so many years.

See what she'd like to do. It's going to have to be her decision.

sweetiepie1979 · 25/06/2019 14:02

That all sounds like a very fucked up childish relationship. A serious go at couples therapy or go separate ways you don't sound compatible at all.
Good luck

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 15:15

@tenlittlecygnets
Not focusing on her possible messages, they happened, and it was not done by her as a response to my cheating, as she didn’t know and the timelines for both us doing what we did are the same, I told the whole story for context on the whole shitshow.
I really wanted opinions on whether to ignore the I did and did not have a ONS way back then, and I am realising by the responses I’ve read that it doesn’t really matter in the scheme of things if she did or didn’t, my betrayal was first and larger at the time, I have to own it and give her the time and space to decide what she wants, I get that now

Thank you all for your opinions

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Sadiesnakes · 25/06/2019 15:29

She said she just wanted to feel attractive and loved, so you clearly weren't giving her anything she needed. You admit yourself you took each other for granted. Then you went and backed all that up by cheating. You neglected her, then you cheated on her.
I'm not excusing her alleged sexting, but you are the problem here. But I think deep down, you know that.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 16:14

@Sadiesnakes
Totally own my cheating, but as I pointed out to someone else, not alleged, it happened, she admitted it.
We were both culpable for the atmosphere and lack of love and affection in the relationship at the time, my betrayal was bigger and more serious, but I know for a fact her sexting was going on during my affair, and possibly started before, but, again, they don’t compare and I get that.

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Fool123 · 25/06/2019 16:16

Ps... @Sadiesnakes
I Will accept that i was not giving her what she needed at the time, but neither was she, still. No excuses, neither of us should have done what did

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