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I need a female perspective/complex/infidelity

57 replies

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 12:02

Hi, I’ll get straight to the point, way back in late 2011, my partner and I (I’m male btw) who at that point had been together for 13 years were in a bad way. Taking each other for granted, little digs at each other, practically no sex life. My partner went away with her family for two weeks as I had work commitments so couldn’t go. Whilst she was away, I did a very foolish thing by having a brief 2-3 week affair with a woman who made it clear that she was interested in me, and my partner suspected her intentions as well way before that (we were all on the same social scene)
I at the time suspected my partner was also misbehaving, secret calls, protecting her phone, and me catching her one late on our garden path after a night out talking to someone, when I opened our door she couldn’t put it down fast enough and claimed it was just a colleague, I didn’t believe her.
Basically, we were toxic and on the verge of splitting, and I had this guilty secret, I wrongly justified it in my head that we were probably going to split, so what did it matter, selfish and incredibly hurtful and deceitful in my part.
Things improved slightly over the Xmas and new year, but it all went back the same just before end of jan 2012, when she was due to go away for 10 weeks on business in different countries. We both knew deep down that this absence would either kill or cure our relationship.
Whilst she was away I discovered back up texts from her iPhone on our shared laptop, basically sexting different men, and very flirty texts with a colleague.
When I told her that I ha these texts, she told me that it had stopped just before Xmas (hence our improvements I guess) and it was during that period and just after she came back from her trip with her parents and my affair (although she still didn’t know about it)
We talked and she said she did as she wanted to feel loved and attractive again if we split as she also felt we were nearing the end of our relationship, and wanted to know she could still have a life afterwards. She said she never met anyone and nothing physical ever happened as it was sexting and one she admitted to watching on Facebook masturbating, she says she didn’t respond in kind.
She said she finally stopped after she started feeling used and degraded. I asked about the colleague and she said it was purely ott flirting for the same reasons as the sexting (all this done via the app blendr)

Anyway, when her trip was over, we had talked before she came home that we would make a go of it, shortly after her return she fell pregnant, we now have a son (I have two grown up children from my previous marriage)
We are still together, but my guilt has always eaten at me, that I didn’t confess way back in 2012, although in reality neither did She, I happened on it, but it still gnawed at me as I will admit that I sometimes threw her sexting etc in her face in arguments, totally out of order on my part considering.
Last week, I told her, I don’t know why, but I had this urge to do so, the guilt had finally caught up with me, she was devastated, and in the same conversation told me that she had a one night stand her first week away on business with a colleague from that office not her uk one. She said it was a drunken mistake, it was over in minutes and she regrets it but at the time she said in her head we were finished, she also confessed to kissing the colleague from the ott texts way back in late 2011, briefly in a stock room but she states it was very brief and not sexual.
Cutting to the chase, this all came out last Thursday, she came home Friday to tell me she had something to tell me as she had been to see her work supplied counsellor, and I must promise not to be angry, I was expecting more revelations about that period or her business trip, she said she lied about the one night stand to hurt me, it didn’t actually happen, I am struggling to believe her as she provided a lot of specific detail of how it happened etc.
We are both hurting, our emotions are changing day by day, I want us to still work it out and move forward, she does one day, then yesterday says she’s still unsure and confused or scared of the future, and if we have one together.
I believe there is hope, is we have plans next month and a big family holiday later this year she is still talking about.
Should I just take my medicine, give her time and space (which I am doing) or try to bring it to a head and get it resolved one way or another?
Mightily confused, hugely ashamed of what I did, but need advice and opinions

Thank you for reading

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sonjadog · 25/06/2019 16:30

I disagree that you are the problem. You are one of the problems. She has contributed and she has to deal with her own behaviour if the relationship is to continue. Don´t take all the blame here.

RantyAnty · 25/06/2019 16:53

I take it she stopped the sexting after you caught her and she confessed and hasn't done it since?

So you were screwing someone for 2 -4 weeks and she was on holiday for 2 weeks so clearly there was an overlap there.

What she did was wrong for sure but what you did is much worse. You knew what you did but kept it a secret for 7 years and not only that, you used her sexting against her to throw it up in her face knowing full well that you had screwed someone for several weeks.

I don't think she had the ONS. She just told you that to hurt her. For you, all this happened 7 years ago so you've had all the time to get over what she did. You just recently confessed so this is Day 1 for her. You seem to want to control the situation in saying you want to try to bring it to a head. I don't know what you mean by that.

The best thing would be to just give her the space she needs and not force anything.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 17:04

@rantyanty

Very fair assessment and I didn’t consider the day 1 aspect for her.
She told me when I showed her that I knew about them in Feb 2012, that they ended late 2011 or early 2012 and she deleted her account, I have no proof either way on that, but I do believe her

I am giving her space and time, even sleeping on the sofa whilst she works out what she wants

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EileenAlanna · 25/06/2019 17:11

Neither of you are "blameless" in this, I think most would agree on that. There's been a lot of mistakes made on both sides.
What struck me reading your post was her pregnancy. You'd been together about 13 years without pregnancy/children yet she "fell pregnant" soon after she arrived back from 10 weeks away. She told you she had sex with someone else during that time but now denies it after having seen a counsellor.
How soon after she came back did she get pregnant, does the child's d.o.b. line up with that? Are you positive that there isn't another, greater, issue that's been hidden but needs addressed?

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 17:23

@eileenalanna
All the dates line up, one of the first things I did check for obvious reasons, she said ONS 1st week feb, came home early April, fell pregnant within a week or two, we deliberately tried, son due date 31/12/12, was prem, late October, touch and go initially

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Closetbeanmuncher · 25/06/2019 18:14

I also agree with @sonjadog End the relationship and it may also be advisable to do a paternity test.

What reason did she give you for cutting the trip short as sounds to me like late period, shat herself and took a test, came back positive and subsequently hurried home to ensure she could make the pregnancy dates feasible.

happybunny007 · 25/06/2019 18:45

And you’ve seriously not got a paternity test? I would on the basis of those dates!

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 18:51

@Closetbeanmuncher
She didn’t cut the trip short, came home the day she was supposed to

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Fool123 · 25/06/2019 18:52

@happybunny007
The dates all match, fell pregnant 1/2 week April, due date 31/12

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happybunny007 · 25/06/2019 19:21

You do know that the doctors estimate the due date on the basis if when the woman says her last period was?

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 19:35

Yes, I have seen the paperwork, last period was about 2 weeks before she came home, EDD date less 266 days (standard calculator to use according to google searches made it 9/4 conception

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birdonawire1 · 25/06/2019 19:40

Keep quiet about the affair. It will do no good to offload your guilt into her. Forget it. It was unimportant. The guilt is your only punishment, so live with it. Don't dwell on it, do your best to forgive yourself and forget. It has no bearing on your current situation. It's irrelevant. By the same token forget about her sexting etc. Equally unimportant. Never ever throw her misdemeanours in her face. You are definitely living in a glass house.

Just live for the moment and go forward, instead of all this pathetic navel gazing and raking over the past.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 19:49

@birdonawire1
Appreciate the comment but the whole thread started with me telling everyone that I had already told her last week, so the horse has bolted

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birdonawire1 · 25/06/2019 19:58

answer a question which has always confused me? Why the need to confess something from so long ago? Has it made the situation better? Do you feel better? Does she feel better?
imo confession may be good for the soul but it selfish and unnecessary. Maybe you should have put this question up before confessing?

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 20:07

No idea why I did it, who knows the way of the mind.
Certainly not better at the moment, she is still trying to process it and make her own decisions based on what she now knows. As @RantyAnty said, I’ve had 7 years to deal with my emotions and accept them

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AnyFucker · 25/06/2019 20:14

She had a premature baby ?

Sure she did.

Fool123 · 25/06/2019 20:16

The 6-7 life threatening weeks in an incubator confirmed that

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Littlehouse156 · 25/06/2019 20:26

This was 7/8 years ago. Personally I think couple counselling would help.

wheelywheelynice · 25/06/2019 20:30

8 years ago and you're both still dragging it on. Living in the past serves no purpose. Get counselling.

LostGirl7 · 25/06/2019 22:23

Some self righteous shite on here. If it was 7/8 years ago, and life's been happy ish since, seems a shame to throw it away if the love's still there. People make mistakes, people can learn, if they want to. Ffs, some people on her are truly delusional, uncompromising, bitter and unrealistic. Shit happens, people are weak, get over yourselves. Yes, you can be in love and still be a twat. 'If someone cheated, there's no love/respect'...bollocks! However, if the doubts/resentment still exist and/or are insurmountable, then call it a day for both your sakes. At least talk it through with professional help. You get more forgiveness for serving a life sentence, than some of the perspectives on here 🤔 Life is short, nobody's perfect.

Sally2791 · 26/06/2019 06:36

I agree with lostgirl

Closetbeanmuncher · 26/06/2019 09:55

Apologies op im not sure where i got where i got the trip cutting part from.

I definitely stand by the paternity test though - this is a person who has form for habitual deciet not taking it would be foolish. Attention seeking and cheating is pretty much in her blood!

Fool123 · 26/06/2019 10:11

@closetbeanmuncher

Would you not see the attention seeking as a symptom or reaction to my lack of love & attention?

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RantyAnty · 26/06/2019 10:27

Some of you clearly haven't read the thread.

Yes, it happened 7/8 years ago but he just told her about it a week or so ago. She didn't know.

His DW needs to process this stuff.
It may or may not work out but time is needed and hopefully counselling later on. I don't think it's a lost cause. The marriage just needs some TLC.

Fool123 · 26/06/2019 11:06

I am really trying to give her the time & space she needs, as she is still saying she is unsure if I/we (but specifically me) can change and create a new normal going forward, she is scared of committing to it and it all going wrong again and getting into that vicious circle.
I am getting anger, she was out last night with an old school friend, had a few drinks, and any question or comments I made were given short shrift. I understand the stages in her head she will go through with the hurt I caused her, and the stages in her attitude to me, for example, Sunday night she said we will work
Through this and will be ok, but it’s been different every day, this morning she gave me a hug (albeit reluctantly and not our usual intensity) and a kiss goodbye when she left for work, only a peck, but all the same a kiss.
Last night I said to her if it would help, I would pack a bag and leave for a few days to really giver her space, she reacted angrily telling me to do what I want and then she explained it would leave her in the lurch regards our sons school run logistics, which I said I would work out for when she came home and then leave again, she wasn’t happy. I asked her if the only reason she had not asked me to leave permanently or even temporarily was being driven by this concern, or not wanting us to split?
She just said, do what you want, I’ll deal with it like i always do, but very angrily.
I’m confused, do I leave to give her space, or stay and take a deep breathe and accept it’s my doing and suck it up until she makes her mind up ?

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