Ex refusing to return kids-now wants to take them abroad

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Hi again, following on from my thread about my exH refusing to return the kids (he returned them after police and SS involvement), he now wants their birth certificates so he can obtain passports to go abroad on holiday.
My gut instinct is screaming no but I'm possibly not being rationale after the events of last week. He's had them twice since then and I've been terribly anxious that he'll pull the same trick again so the thought of him having their BC and taking them out of the country is making me horrendously anxious.
WWYD?

Are you truly considering letting this man take your your DC aboard after recent events? I mean you even have to ask?

No idea what to advise, but all I can say is 'hell no!'.

"after the events of last week"

This all only happened LAST WEEK and he wants to take them to another country? Absolutely not. I was assuming you'd say it was a few years ago!
Just tell him you're not comfortable doing that.

Not a chance in hell would i allow that and if he took it further you have the previous incident as back up for your decision.

Do not to do it see a lawyer and I would order passports for them so you have them

Could this be another control thing. Really he and his gf don’t want to take them on holiday and want you to be the bad guy. You refuse to give the birth certificates and they can say it’s all your fault that dd can’t go on holiday.

Agree to get a passport so they have one with you and it can’t be ordered through him if he applies for a birth certificate.
Hell no to them leaving the country with him. Does he have family abroad or is he from your country?

I'm amazed you're asking this at all but as you are ....

In your shoes I'd apply myself for the passports and keep them under lock and key.

Prior to that I'd urgently seek a solicitor and obtain a Prohibitive Steps order preventing your Ex from removing your children without your prior consent.

Seriously OP it's a no brainier

!!! No!!!

Not on your nelly would I allow him to take the dc abroad. Let him take you to court and then show the judge that the police and SS were involved due to him not bringing them back. You’re bonkers to even consider it

I would say do not say a word until you have seen a solicitor.

No no no.
Ywnb 'denying' your dc a holiday before he starts with the guilt trip shit either....
He isn't trusted to carry a suit case never mind care of dc abroad.

When you've been gaslighted as to everything being totally different to how you view it then yes, I needed to ask. I'm glad I'm not crazy for thinking NO!

Can I get a passport without him?

Apply for passports yourself ASAP so he can’t get them with duplicate birth certificates.

Yes you can. Apply ASAP.

I would also inform the school, if the holidays haven’t started, that he’s not to remove them before you’re contacted. He could just be playing mind games, but I wouldn’t risk it.

Get their passports sorted out quick sharp and hide them out of the house.
Do not under any circumstances allow this man to take your children out of the country on his own.
Which country does he want to take them to?

Seriously. Apply for their passports yourself but DON'T tell him you've done it. And keep them locked away.

You get passports and don't let them out of your sight.

Quick too, you are on notice he is intending to.

Apply for passports yourself, apply for a prohibited steps order so he can't travel with them. Take care.

Sorry, was on the school run.
He's British as am I. No connections abroad. I don't know where he wants to take them, he's not said. This was actually put to my solicitor before the incident last week but he's asked again since as though nothing has happened.

Can I actually get them, not tell him, and keep them safe?

Yes @greyrockblock you can just apply for one. If I remember correctly you need some of his info (name, dob etc) although I did my daughters passport years ago now so I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Please do not let him take the kids I wouldn't trust him if I were you

Just chatted to the solicitor who thinks a court might not have issue with him taking them abroad as he will argue he had good reason to keep hold of them previously.

Is there a way your solicitor could put in place something so that if he was to take them he would have to bring them back by a certain date? Something legal that would mean him getting into trouble if he didn't return them? I'm not clued up on legal bits so maybe there's not anything like that but it's an idea