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help me understand my husband

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sleepingstars · 11/06/2019 23:42

Are there any psychoanalysts out there who can help me understand my husband? Or anyone with good insight who can help me?
My husband is difficult and complex and I have tried to understand and work him out for such a long time now. For many years I tried to change him, and hoped that he would change, but eventually realised that was not possible. And yes, I have also had advice on here to not bother and just leave him... (Threads under another username).
After a very difficult few years and undergoing counselling I think I have begun a little to understand him. I want to separate but it is very hard for me to actually do that right now but it seems inevitable. Our relationship has broken down and I would say we are only really living alongside each other.
I will describe his behaviours and try to explain.
He is easily offended and gets in moods. He has a bad temper and can explode (in his words "I have a fiery temper"). At worst he swears, shouts and bangs tables and doors. In the past he has punched walls and smashed household items. He doesn't have a great sense of humour and struggles to make eye contact. He has rather traditional, conservative values and likes to argue every point. He is very good at arguing and making his point heard. He seems to have an issue with women... he can't stand feminism but will admit that inequality exists but only after a massive debate. But he always has to make a point / have the last word /make a counter argument.
He exhausts me and I feel like it's a constant power struggle.
He is also successful in his career and has produced good results but at times has had relationship problems in the workplace. He demands /expects loyalty and struggles to accept criticism. He has been recognised and acknowledged for the good work he does.. I feel that he brings a lot of it home and I then bear the brunt of it. Often something will be wrong but he will only tell me weeks later and then I will realise what was up.
He gets mad with me if I show disloyalty as he calls it eg if he gets cross with someone and I may try to see it another way he will get angry. maybe he is always right and I'm wrong. I have awful anxiety and some depression and doubt myself so much.
Recently he got too close to a someone he works with - messaging / confiding / kisses and then it ended - I am sure about this. But it has caused a massive problem in our relationship. I feel unable to fully trust him and he is very frustrated about this and blames me for not moving on.
To make matters worse I have recently found out that he is in contact with a former girlfriend - so far flirty emails . I haven't discussed this but he has lied to me about their contact.
He also tells me he still loves me and wants things to work out.
I am completely emotionally exhausted by all this and have discussed with him that we need to spilt up.
he has a good relationship with our children but they are aware of some of his traits.
Can anyone explain his behaviour and mindset?
Thank you for listening.

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whee2y · 12/06/2019 17:09

You deserve to be happy Sleepingstars he sounds like a controlling miserable twat and you deserve better.

Bluntness100 · 12/06/2019 17:26

Why do you need to say anything to him op? You don't need him to agree with you. You don't need his permission to say you're out. His views on the matter are utterly irrelevant. You have the autonomy to make your own decisions about your own life.

And this is what I mean by focusing on understanding your behaviour not his.

We only have one life. Choosing to live it miserably only hurts you, you and likely your children who know.

And the person making that choice is you. Every single day you wake up and you make that choice. Rather than walk out, straight to your nearest women's refuge even if you've no where else to go, and decide to be happy. To not be abused, cheated on, lied to.

When you look back on your life, is this all you want to remember? That this is how you chose to live it?

And Lllot5 , thanks.

ThatCurlyGirl · 12/06/2019 17:32

When discussing an abusive relationship, my counsellor said to me i had two options:

Spend the rest of my life trying to figure out why my partner was cruel, abusive, narcissistic, bullying...

or

Start trying to figure out why I had allowed this behaviour and felt unworthy of better treatment instead of walking away.

That shift in thinking saved my life.

sleepingstars · 12/06/2019 18:01

Thank you @bluntness100 and @thatcurlygirl and yes I need to look at my own behaviour and mindset. Have looked at this in counselling too. Unfortunately my upbringing and experience of "what to put up with" etc didn't help

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user1479305498 · 12/06/2019 18:13

I feel for you Op as in a similar position, except mine doesn’t have the traditional values. We work together too and I feel like a whipping post for every petty frustration. I too discovered quite by chance an EA but from many years ago and mine has also developed a cracking porn habit when I’m out(doesn’t know that I know) thing is like yours, he can be kind, fun , has a strong work ethic and earns decently. It’s a lot to just leave, especially in your50s in my case. I am under no illusion if I leave it’s likely I leave to be on my own possibly for always, as the amount of sane,kind, non porn addicted decent looking , comfortably off guys in their 50s or early 60s doesn’t exactly seem in great supply, whereas I think he would be inundated! I don’t have my son at home anymore, so if I leave it’s to be on my own. These things really aren’t easy choices, like you though I find the ranting about stuff really unsettling and hence don’t feel sexually/romantically inclined either, especially when you know there is an underlying streak of disloyalty. I know my H adores me despite his behaviour, problem is I no longer think I do him

Mrsaxelrose · 12/06/2019 20:40

Are we married to the same man? I’m leaving mine cause I’m done with it . Scary but has to be done

sleepingstars · 12/06/2019 20:50

Is yours the same?
I feel for you

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sleepingstars · 13/06/2019 16:44

I can't trust him anymore. How come on the one hand he tells me he still loves me and wants it to work out and on the other hand he is messaging an ow writing her a poem and telling her she's beautiful?! (They live miles apart and highly unlikely anything will happen but it is the emotional stuff going on again) What am I supposed to think?

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OldAndWornOut · 13/06/2019 16:48

Because talk is cheap.
I love you. You're my sun, my moon and all of my stars. My alpha, my omega, and when I'm with you I feel I've come home.
Nobody could ever love you more than me...
See?

EileenAlanna · 13/06/2019 17:21

Divorcing him is the best thing you can do for yourself. Let one of his other women put up with his crap behaviour, you've gone above & beyond the call of wifely duty.

sleepingstars · 14/06/2019 16:35

I'm dreading the weekend so I'm off out tomorrow. Already feeling anxious about him coming home.

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Beechview · 14/06/2019 18:40

When you leave, you won’t have this feeling of anxiety and dread. That peace of mind is priceless.

I hope you have a nice weekend going out.

AppleCiderVinegar · 14/06/2019 18:57

Hi OP
My dad was a lot like your DH. Someone once told me he had an undiagnosed personality disorder, I don't know.
I've spent too way much of my life trying to understand him, work out why he was that way....
The point about people like that is that everything is oriented towards them. Now I think I should have paid more attention to protecting myself from him and less time and energy trying to work him out.

carla1983 · 14/06/2019 19:12

He's an abuser. You might want to read Lundy Bancroft's book 'why does he do that?"

That book will help you to work him out.

Manclife1 · 14/06/2019 19:18

For many years I tried to change him, and hoped that he would change,

Why do women do this? You clearly knew what he was like yet stayed anyway!

marvellousnightforamooncup · 14/06/2019 19:30

Spend your energy trying to understand yourself rather than him. He's a very unpleasant person who is dragging you down and making you unhappy. Why to you spend your time trying to understand him when you can try to understand why you're still with him or how to get away?

another20 · 14/06/2019 20:13

What positive relationships and activities do you have in your life?

Do you have friends, hobbies? Are you close to your children - do you have grandchildren?

Our lives are sustained by radiant positive relationships - really that is all that matters.

Negative, bullying relationships will erode our mental and physical health.

You seem to be consumed with him - trying to understand and placate him - hoping he will change. IT WONT HAPPEN.

It sounds like you have squandered decades of your life already.

What will happen when you become old or ill - will he care for you - or continue to neglect and abuse you whilst trapped?

Someone I know only left her husband when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer - she couldn’t trust him to care for her with dignity - how shocking.

She also lost the relationships she should have had with her DDs and GC as they couldn’t stand being in her DH company - and she was so preoccupied with him that she emotionally neglected them.

sleepingstars · 14/06/2019 22:56

Thank you everyone. I will read the Lundy Bancroft book. I am trying to focus on myself more now. I have good friends and wonderful children and I couldn't live without them. I keep busy and do voluntary work which helps.
@Manclife1 your message is challenging and hard to hear - all I can say is it isn't that easy to get away and that is one of the points of my post.
I feel like a weak and broken woman but I'm trying to get stronger and being on here helps me.

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Dragongirl10 · 14/06/2019 23:45

Op you are free, you have no reason to stay, why can you not see that?

You have no ties, your dcs are grown up, you can feel weak but that does not stop you, all you have to do is walk out of the door, no talking, nothing.

You are overcomplicating this, you don't need his permission.

Start consciously thinking of him as irrelevant to you, don't listen to him, let your mind wander internally, if he is challenging or demanding imagine him shrinking into a tiny cross insect, so small you could step on him and not notice.

Look around you and plan a home and life as YOU

Moralitym1n1 · 14/06/2019 23:49

How many more times am I going to post this link this evening;

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Moralitym1n1 · 14/06/2019 23:58

Your op made me immediately think of this part;

"He wants you to puzzle over him, to try to figure him out, as though he were a wonderful but broken machine for which you need only to find and fix the malfunctioning parts to bring it roaring to its full potential."

Other useful.quotes;

www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/217475-why-does-he-do-that-inside-the-minds-of-angry-and-controlling-men

Dieu · 15/06/2019 08:21

He has ground you down to breaking point. Get out Thanks

madcatladyforever · 15/06/2019 08:30

I hope you don't waste 18 years on a tyrant like I did. It always ends at some stage.

another20 · 15/06/2019 08:42

Have you ever fantasied or imagined living without him? What does this feel like?

How have you imagined the practical aspects of leaving? Do you have funds or somewhere to go whilst legal stuff goes through?

Do you wish he would choose to leave instead?

Are you afraid of him if you told him you were leaving?

How would your children and friends respond to you leaving? Have you ever discussed it with them?

sleepingstars · 15/06/2019 11:29

Thanks for posting the links to the book.
I do think about how different life would be if we separated and that is what I want. A sense of relief and peace.
I am a bit afraid yes but I have mentioned it. I wish he would just go too. He says he will meet someone who is nice to him not like me who is negative about him. This is what he says when I try and tell him how I feel and how he treats me. He just turns everything round and minimises.
I have discussed with others and they recognise emotional abuse and say leave.

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