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help me understand my husband

88 replies

sleepingstars · 11/06/2019 23:42

Are there any psychoanalysts out there who can help me understand my husband? Or anyone with good insight who can help me?
My husband is difficult and complex and I have tried to understand and work him out for such a long time now. For many years I tried to change him, and hoped that he would change, but eventually realised that was not possible. And yes, I have also had advice on here to not bother and just leave him... (Threads under another username).
After a very difficult few years and undergoing counselling I think I have begun a little to understand him. I want to separate but it is very hard for me to actually do that right now but it seems inevitable. Our relationship has broken down and I would say we are only really living alongside each other.
I will describe his behaviours and try to explain.
He is easily offended and gets in moods. He has a bad temper and can explode (in his words "I have a fiery temper"). At worst he swears, shouts and bangs tables and doors. In the past he has punched walls and smashed household items. He doesn't have a great sense of humour and struggles to make eye contact. He has rather traditional, conservative values and likes to argue every point. He is very good at arguing and making his point heard. He seems to have an issue with women... he can't stand feminism but will admit that inequality exists but only after a massive debate. But he always has to make a point / have the last word /make a counter argument.
He exhausts me and I feel like it's a constant power struggle.
He is also successful in his career and has produced good results but at times has had relationship problems in the workplace. He demands /expects loyalty and struggles to accept criticism. He has been recognised and acknowledged for the good work he does.. I feel that he brings a lot of it home and I then bear the brunt of it. Often something will be wrong but he will only tell me weeks later and then I will realise what was up.
He gets mad with me if I show disloyalty as he calls it eg if he gets cross with someone and I may try to see it another way he will get angry. maybe he is always right and I'm wrong. I have awful anxiety and some depression and doubt myself so much.
Recently he got too close to a someone he works with - messaging / confiding / kisses and then it ended - I am sure about this. But it has caused a massive problem in our relationship. I feel unable to fully trust him and he is very frustrated about this and blames me for not moving on.
To make matters worse I have recently found out that he is in contact with a former girlfriend - so far flirty emails . I haven't discussed this but he has lied to me about their contact.
He also tells me he still loves me and wants things to work out.
I am completely emotionally exhausted by all this and have discussed with him that we need to spilt up.
he has a good relationship with our children but they are aware of some of his traits.
Can anyone explain his behaviour and mindset?
Thank you for listening.

OP posts:
Beechview · 12/06/2019 00:27

What is trapping you?
It’s time to refocus your energy from trying to help your relationship, as that’s not going to change, to being strong enough to leave.
Start putting together a plan to get out.
What help and support do you have?
There’s always women’s aid who can help.

PurpleWithRed · 12/06/2019 00:32

He suffers from controlling man child arsehole syndrome.

Work on leaving him.

Cailleachian · 12/06/2019 00:40

Can anyone explain his behaviour and mindset?

Check out Lundy Bancroft's "Why does he do that?"

www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that.pdf

Shodan · 12/06/2019 00:54

You need to spend less time trying to understand why your H does the nasty things he does and more time trying to understand why you're still there.

In the end it doesn't matter why he does those things, it only matters that he does, and it affects you badly (as it would anyone).

There are no prizes for putting up with this shit, only misery. You're not trapped, you only believe it because, I suspect, he's made you feel that way.

You can, and should, leave.

Closetbeanmuncher · 12/06/2019 01:00

If a dog is mauling you, you don't sit and ponder the origins/motives of its aggression you run away!

Your only concern right now should be how to remove yourself and your DC from that awful toxic man.

cheeseislife8 · 12/06/2019 01:39

To be honest he sounds cruel manipulative... sorry things are so tough OP

Kiwiinkits · 12/06/2019 05:08

Spend less time analysing him and more time analysing your own behaviour and patterns.
Eg
What is trapping you? What can you do to remove those barriers, real or perceived?
Why do you engage with arguments with him? Why not just roll your eyes and call him a grumpy bugger? Why does someone have to win?
Are you actually bothered by the kissing/emotional affair thing? Or deep down, are you a bit relieved because it’s your ‘Pass’ to get out of the relationship?

You can’t change him but you can change you.

Decormad38 · 12/06/2019 05:30

I think you are trying to rationalise this by saying well if he’s good at his job he must be a good husband. He’s not a nice man. He’s not a good husband and he’s probably a bully at work too! Ring Women’s Aid because you need support to get out as he sounds like he may get violent.

Sally2791 · 12/06/2019 06:22

As many have said, don't waste your life wondering about him.
Find real life help for yourself to leave. Of course it will be difficult but the alternative is worse

sleepingstars · 12/06/2019 08:52

Thank you everyone. In answer. To some of your questions, in particular @kiwiinkits..
I know arguing is pointless and I have recently disengaged emotionally and on the whole we argue less. I think because I've given up any hope and lost trust now I just cannot be bothered.
He seems to contradict almost everything I say and that's what I mean by wanting to win.
He has chipped away at me and I want to be me again. Just wish he could reassure me more and show loyalty to me!
I tell him I want to separate and he often agrees but then will start asking me again and saying otherwise.
In some ways yes I am seeing his other "relationships" as a get out clause but the reality isn't that simple. I am working on it. Part of me is scared if the fallout and his reaction.

OP posts:
sleepingstars · 12/06/2019 16:05

Whenever I tell him how I feel and discuss how he treats me he says I'm being negative and portraying him so badly. He deflects everything and argues everything. I think he is emotionally abusive to me and others have said so. But he does not see or accept this.

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OldAndWornOut · 12/06/2019 16:09

He probably never will accept it, so will you stay there trying to make him?
It doesn't matter; he won't suddenly see the light and admit he is wrong.

Frownette · 12/06/2019 16:11

It sounds like advice for al-anon really: I didn't cause it, I can't control it and I cannot cure it.

Cath2907 · 12/06/2019 16:14

I divorced my husband this year after 12 years of marriage. He was a miserable sulker. There are reasons why and for years I've stuck with it feeling that he couldn't help it. Eventually one day half way through dinner it just fell out of my mouth "you need to leave". What followed was a tough 6 months. Once I'd said it to him and to my parents there was no going back. I kept moving on. I saw a solicitor, filed for divorce, put our house on the market so we could split the equity, sorted out a new place for me, DD and the dog to live. He sulked through it all and I felt dreadful but I could no longer live like that.

We are now divorced, I have a new place to live and I feel like I can take a full breath for the first time in years. I can breathe. My mind is clear, my heart is peaceful. It is hard to explain how much delight I can now find in the smallest things because I am not carrying his miserable arse.

Leave him. It will be HARD HARD HARD and totally SHITTY for weeks and maybe months but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. That is sunshine, with rainbows and butterflies and flowers. It is peace and self-respect and self-love and solo control of the remote control!

Theghosttrain · 12/06/2019 16:17

The harsh reality is that trying to understand him is wasting your energy. Even if you could understand/psychoanalyse why he does these things, it wont change anything, he will still be horrible to you. Really, he isn't worth your efforts. Put your energy into yourself instead, work on your self esteem and start planning for a new life away from him. It really is your only chance to be happy. Best of luck with it.

mummmy2017 · 12/06/2019 16:22

Ok, lets talk this through...
Why can't you leave him?

HollowTalk · 12/06/2019 16:23

You have one life. If your children are now grown up then you are free to make a decision to be happy and without your husband.

He sounds absolutely horrible. Things can only improve if you separate.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 12/06/2019 16:29

He can be good and kind and has obviously held down a job for a long time - all good qualities

Fuck me, these are basic human requirements!

Your bar is now so low you think these are positive qualities that should be celebrated?

He has ground you down to the floor. Please get out while you can still function.

Stop trying to 'understand him' and put your energies into getting you and your DC away from him.

Shoxfordian · 12/06/2019 16:33

Yeah you need to leave him
He's a twat. He's cheated on you
He argues with you
He makes you miserable

It's irrelevant why he does all this

rvby · 12/06/2019 16:45

I think he is emotionally abusive to me and others have said so. But he does not see or accept this.

Do you think he needs to see or accept that he is abusive? So that you can have his permission to leave?

I put it to you that this man has ground you down so much, has made a weapon of your anxiety, so much so that you have a very deep need for him to approve of your decisions. I would assume that he plays on your need for reassurance (a natural part of having a tendency towards anxiety), he knows that if he withholds his validation and approval, that you are putty in his hands.

He's an abuser, and his hook into you is that he knows you will try to stay and make him agree with you, before you leave him. So he's really got a way to keep you forever. He's got his bum in the butter, all he has to do is never approve of you or reassure you, and then you will stay by his side...

Bluntness100 · 12/06/2019 16:52

Trying to understand him is simply a way for you to defer leaving him.

You're simply looking for excuses, buying time, so you don't need to leave, to justify to yourself why you stay and put up with it. The counselling is the same thing. It's simply another way to buy time.

He doesn't respect you and treats you with disdain. There is nothing to understand about it. That's it in a nutshell.

Why you chose to stay with a man who treats you like shit is something way more complex. That's what you need to understand. Why you're wasting your life away being so unhappy. Why you allow yourself to be abused, lied to, cheated on, rather than leave and Taft again, free of all that.

Really that's where you need to focus your efforts. On understanding your own behaviour, not his.

sleepingstars · 12/06/2019 16:54

Ouch!...very powerful replies .... all saying it as it is.
How do i say all this to him?
I can't. But I'm gathering strength to just leave. I think he is realising.
I agree that my threshold is very low and also the words from @rvby have helped me to understand a bit more.
Thank you to everyone who has replied.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 12/06/2019 17:00

How do i say all this to him?

You don't have to say any of this to him.

And if talking on here helps you to gather strength, keep posting.

Just take baby steps if that's all you feel you can cope with right not, but please do start doing something to get away from him.

Start gathering paperwork. Get some legal advice. Start looking at your finances... but do NOT tell him anything.

FinallyHere · 12/06/2019 17:01

He deflects everything and argues everything

Honestly , he doesn't deserve this much attention. Save your breath for people who treat you well and deserve your attention.

Whatever you want from him, he is unable to provide. Focus on yourself and get yourself free. All the very best.

Lllot5 · 12/06/2019 17:07

Brilliant post from bluntness btw.
Just leave him it doesn’t matter why he does it and he doesn’t have to agree to you leaving.