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How should I approach this conversation? Really need some guidance!

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FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 08:04

Morning wise people of MN. I need your guidance... It's probably over long for the question but didn't want to drip feed and wanted to give a full picture for clarity.

In January, I met a man. Prior to that, I have been single for around 5 years or so.

I feel I'm ready for, and deserve, a loving, loyal, long lasting relationship with someone and everything about this man and how we are together has suggested that he has the potential to be that someone.

Which brings me to the 'problem'.

He divorced a few years ago. He subsequently had another relationship which ended around last summer. He told me they were still friends on fb after the breakup but didn't have any contact with each other otherwise. Then in March, he told me that she'd contacted him saying that she'd like to give the relationship another go. He said that he'd met someone else, was really happy and had no interest in doing so and he told me that he'd deleted her contact details on his phone and unfriended her on fb. All good so far? I said that it sounded like 'unfriending' was probably the best option. No drama.

Except that, the last time I saw him, he was sitting next to me scrolling through down a list of names on fb that I assume was his friend list (his friends list is set to private) - and her name came up. Or at least I think it was her name.

I only know her first name. It's not unusual but it's not common either. So when I saw it, I did wonder, but didn't say anything. I'm not too proud to say that I did a bit of 'looking' when I got home and he had tagged her in posts during the time they would have been together but there has been no activity since they split up - he posts so rarely this I only went back about 25 posts!

So it appears to me that he told me he had unfriended her and deleted her contact details but hadn't actually done so. I want to speak to him about it but I don't know how to broach it. If it is her, then I will end it with him. Not because he is fb friends with his exgf, but because he will have lied to me about it after telling me that she would like to get back together with him.

But because his friends list is private, it will be obvious I have seen her name on his list over his shoulder and then turned into Columbo.

But I don't know what to say to him. I feel I need some guidance because, left to my own devices, I'll just be really blunt to the point where, if I am wrong, I'll have ruined it anyway.

But I don't think I am.

TL;DR - it appears that boyfriend is still friends with his ex gf despite telling me he'd unfriended her after she asked to rekindle the relationship whilst we were together. If this is the case, then he has lied to me. His friend list is private so I'd only know by 'snooping'. Lying is a dealbreaker. How to I bring it up?

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Sup3rCooper · 11/05/2019 16:46

God sounds like a huge heap of drama you're creating here before you've even spoken to him. You do sound really intense. The normal thing to do would be to tell him what you've seen and ask him about it. You'll soon get the truth one way or the other and then dump him if need be. Everything I've read on here of your messages screams 'over intense' to me

BumbleBeee69 · 11/05/2019 16:49

Liars don't change OP. Flowers

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 16:49

It wasn't the suggested tag thing. He wasn't updating or posting on there. It looked like a friends list. It stated the number of mutual friends.

Fizzysours

I know it's extreme but that's where I am.

I hate that this is all fb related - I'm 45 and a bit old for all that nonsense really. But that's the point. I'm a bit old for all this nonsense. I'm not interested in worrying about who he's with or what he's doing when he's not with me. Or whether he was telling me the truth about something or not.

I will give him chance to explain but I'm not sure how an obvious lie can be explained away satisfactorily.

The fact he hid his friends list means he is well aware of what it's done and how I will take it. He just hasn't realised I'm not an idiot.

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ConfCall · 11/05/2019 16:51

I really empathise OP for reasons I won’t go into.

But...I’d allow him the opportunity to explain. Chances are it’ll be trite nonsense - “I knew you’d be upset even though it’s nothing” and “she re-added me and I did not want to be impolite” blah blah bloody blah. However, devil’s advocate alert, there may be a reasonable explanation forthcoming. If there isn’t (and there probably isn’t) you can call it a day at that point.

benderinabun · 11/05/2019 16:51

It wasn't the suggested tag thing. He wasn't updating or posting on there. It looked like a friends list. It stated the number of mutual friends.

Ah shit sorry OP I thought I'd cracked it. Good luck Thanks

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 16:52

The normal thing to do would be to tell him what you've seen and ask him about it.

If you have a suggestion on how I could phrase that, I'd really like to hear it (not sarky - genuinely).

Because all I can think of is reminding him of the conversation and what he said and asking him if he did it or if he's got anything to tell me.

I know it probably doesn't sound like a big deal to most people but being lied to is my biggest and single most uncompromisable boundary.

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SuckingOnDiesel · 11/05/2019 16:52

It wasn't the suggested tag thing. He wasn't updating or posting on there. It looked like a friends list. It stated the number of mutual friends.

Somebody else's friend list? Or a list of people who have liked somebody's post? I've never looked through my own friends list. Why would you?

Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 16:52

That's all I am suggesting. Just let him explain THEN see how you feel. I get it's scary to trust someone...your ex sounds exhausting. But current bf may be shit with facebook. Mine is...and he is a coder by profession 😂😂. Shame to throw it away over a misunderstanding

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 16:54

ConfCall

That's exactly what I'm expecting him to say.

He re-added her previously because he didn't want to be rude. I suspect he didn't remove her so as not to be rude. All of which I understand and is fine. I've got people on my friends list I haven't interacted with for years!

But then he shouldn't have told me he had done it.

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MoreProseccoNow · 11/05/2019 16:55

OP, I think you've done the right thing there.

In the early days of dating my STB-Ex, I noticed an email from his Ex (we were in an Internet cafe) & didn't talk to him about it - I did not want to appear needy, controlling, paranoid, insecure etc etc.

So I ignored it.

Unfortunately it was a much bigger symptom of his personality traits - lack of honesty being an important one.

He went on to cheat.

Your instincts were right.

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 16:56

Somebody else's friend list? Or a list of people who have liked somebody's post? I've never looked through my own friends list. Why would you?

Already thought that. But I was on there and he and I don't share any mutual friends.

But current bf may be shit with facebook

Oh yeah, he's already told me that... but he managed to make his friends list private before adding me. That didn't happen by accident.

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Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 16:56

Maybe start the convo with all his positives but how scary it is to be lied to. And that you hate snooping but saw over his shoulder by mistake. And it was just that he had explicitly without you asking that he had blocked the ex. So you are confused and just want clarification.

Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 16:57

And OP many people do that. I did that on FB... I had to due to my job. A mate may have told him to do that yonks ago. The private friends list thing.

BumbleBeee69 · 11/05/2019 16:59

Just tell him you know he Lied.. and don't let the door hit your arse on the way out. Grin

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 17:00

I did not want to appear needy, controlling, paranoid, insecure

That's exactly how I feel because I'm not actually any of those things!

He also told me that an ex gf of one of his friends sent him a 'dodgy message' not long after we'd started going out. I believe that because I overheard him telling some of his mates about it too. And he said he'd rather have told me at the time than have it slip out at a later date and have me feel he'd kept something from me.

Fine. Except that he also told me he'd deleted/blocked her on everything as a result.

But did he?

And that's exactly the kind of doubt I don't want to live with.

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IvanaPee · 11/05/2019 17:01

What was the point in him telling these lies? It’s so silly!

Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 17:02

But she does not yet know he lied, bumble bee.... she can still get rid after giving him a fair hearing!!!! I get why it is a dealbreaker...but it could be a misunderstanding

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 17:02

Yes, fizzy I'll probably say something like that.

He doesn't have the sort of job where he'd need to do that. And it wasn't private before he added me because I'd already found him and considered sending a request but decided against it in case it was 'too soon'.

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Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 17:04

Ahhh ok fairylights. I missed that he recently changed it. He may in fact be a big pile of cockwomble......

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 17:04

I suspect the reality is something along the lines of he told me he had, because he intended to, and then the sense of need to do it left him.

And that would be a perfectly reasonable explanation.

But he hid the list. So he hadn't 'forgotten'. He didn't want me to see that he hadn't done it.

And then that's when my paranoia does kick in because I start to think that maybe he didn't want his friends/exes to be able to see me - after all, he was quite happy with them all seeing each other previously.

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FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 17:05

He may in fact be a big pile of cockwomble......

But he really didn't seem it SadSadSad

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Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 17:06

Yes I get that... He may at the very least be enjoying attention from his ex and wanting to keep her hopes up. Men are twonks.

BumbleBeee69 · 11/05/2019 17:06

all these little white lies to protect the fact he's still in contact with someone who wants him back... Hmm

FairylightsAndMoonbeams · 11/05/2019 17:07

all these little white lies to protect the fact he's still in contact with someone who wants him back...

That's the crux of it, isn't it?

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Fizzysours · 11/05/2019 17:08

Well...you could chat to him...as I said... it does not mean you have to accept what he says if it sounds unlikely

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