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Human punching bag

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:20

As the title and my username suggests, it would seem that the sole purpose I was put on this earth is to be used as a punchbag for angry men. Emotionally, physically and sexually. I’m not even joking when I say that almost every man I’ve met has either hit me, raped me or at the very list been extremely verbally abusive to me.

It starts with my own dad, who is an alcoholic. He used to whack me a lot as a kid - especially when coming down from a few drinks. We are on civil terms now but my childhood was sometimes scary to the point when even now, if I accidentally spill a drink I flinch even though I haven’t lived with him for 2 decades. I was then sexually abused by a different male relative (extended family) for years - that was all swept under the carpet and that side of the family no longer speaks to me (and make snide comments to other family members about me). Even though what I told them was admitted by my abuser, they still chose to side with him and I have been shunned from family events ever since. Don’t even know if I’ll be invited to my Nan’s funeral when she goes. I guess he had more “worth” or currency within the family than me so he’s still head of the table.

I then went on to be quite promiscuous as a teenager (textbook apparently). This led to me being taken advantage of and eventually gang raped at 15 (during a period of homelessness). I then met the father of my oldest DC at 16 and we had a volatile relationship which culminated in me having DS1 at age 18. I split from his dad 5 months later as he was being violent with me, although no sexually abuse in that relationship. I actually stepped up and became quite a good little mum, despite circumstances, I was besotted with my DS and did pretty well. DS1’s dad was never properly bonded with DS and has always done the bare minimum for him, but his parents were decent.

Shortly after, I met the father of my younger two DC’s. I thought he was the real deal and he was great with my oldest son. Although we didn’t live together for a long time, so my son was still primarily raised be me. We were together many years and after a decade and eventually setting up home, had two more children together. But he became verbally abusive towards me. He then became addicted to drink and drugs so I left him in 2014/15. He randomly beat me up 6 months ago (after already being split up for a few years) - luckily none of the children witnessed this - but he was arrested and barred from my house. He still sees them, but supervised by his mum.

Since then, having been single 4/5 years now, I’ve had a couple of brief relationships. One stalked me and threatened me.The other raped me. Again. So I’m celibate by choice and it’s staying that way. I should point out that my kids never met these men nor did they even know of their existence. They never witnessed any abuse from any of my relationships. And I ended all relationships almost immediately after the bad behaviour started or straight after an “incident” took place. So I did the right thing each time.

This brings me to today; my DS1 is now in year 12, studying for Alevels. He was always a lovely boy - shy, sweet and a straight A student. I’ve always been very proud of him. But recently, his school work has dropped off, he’s become more angry and reclusive, addicted to his phone and to top it off, has started being aggressive with me and the younger kids. Pushing, shoving - small hits. He stood above me whilst I was in bed on Friday night, looming over me (he’s 6ft 3”) and threatening to beat me up, calling me a cunt and worthless/incompetent - screaming at me to shut up, etc. I was so scared. He eventually went to his room and slammed the door. The next morning he wasn’t even remorseful and told me that I deserved it (for moving 2 of his coins that I had just given him myself)! He said it took everything in him not to punch me in the face because he hates me so much. He then went off to his nan’s for the weekend for a prearranged event. He’s not back yet.

The younger kids were (still are) thankfully at their dads this weekend so didn’t witness it (although he has pushed and shoved them a couple of times recently for being “too noisy”). But this obviously can’t continue - it’s just next to impossible to access help when it’s your own kid abusing you rather than an ex partner. I have been to the doctors with him 7 weeks ago to talk about referring him to CAHMS or other services as I felt he needed support. The doctor said we’d be receiving a referral letter in a fortnight but I’ve had nothing off them yet. Getting him to agree to go back is going to be very hard - especially as they clearly don’t want to know.

I know partially why my son is behaving like this; he and his father had a terrible argument 13 months ago that has resulted in his dad ignoring him pretty much since then. He only sees him at family parties which there’s been about 4 of since then. They are civil in front of family but don’t talk in between times. He sees more of his grandparents which is nice, but that all goes through me instead. His dad has 3 more kids with his current partner (who is lovely) that he dotes on and treats a lot better. By comparison, my DS was never given a key to their house when they moved locally and now he no longer has a room there anymore. He missed DS1’s entire exams last year, his prom and his birthday because he wasn’t speaking to him, horrible man. DS1 must feel so rejected it breaks my heart. His dad blames me (even though I wasn’t there for the original argument and have always encouraged contact with them). The man hates my guts and calls me all sorts of shit. So I can understand why my DS is torn - he doesn’t like his dads behaviour, but also doesn’t get why both my long-term partners despised me so much that they’ve gone to lengths they have against me. He brings this up a lot, mocking me for being single and saying “you can’t keep a relationship - there’s something wrong with you”. So even though I treat my son well, he is suspicious of why men treat me so badly - so much so that he’s decided to throw his lot in with them and treat me the same way. And he’s got a point hasn’t he? Why does every man in my life treat me with violence and contempt? What’s wrong with ME? It can’t just be sheer bad luck after all this time - I’m the common denominator!!!

The problem MUST be me. I just don’t know why. If I did I would fix it. I’m a kind person - patient, don’t easily lose my rag much. Will stand up for things if I think that are very wrong though. But not so opinionated that I’m winding people up. I seem to annoy men just by breathing! Even after being hurt by them, some have admitted that I didn’t do anything specifically wrong - they just hate me. And now my wonderful son is becoming just like them. Despite never witnessing it outright because of my quick action!!! Is it in his DNA? I’m totally broken by all this - I really do think that I’d be better off binning my car into a tree and ending it all, as I don’t have the capacity to fix this. And let’s face it, with my history - it’s not looking good for the future for me or my kids is it? How long before my younger two start behaving this way? Or ending up with others that do?

I wish I could help them but I don’t know how. I feel so sad and scared for their future. I didn’t set out to raise yet another violent misogynist and did everything I could to avoid it. But somehow, because of the men’s bad behaviour it’s happened anyway. And there’s nothing I can do to control it. I also feel so utterly betrayed by my oldest son. I’ve raised him and done everything in my power for him to have a good life where his dad hasn’t bothered much. And whilst he knows his dad is a tosser, he’s decided to take it all out on me anyway. Just like everybody else. 😞

Like I said before: human punching bag.

Sorry for the endless rant and feeling sorry for myself - I don’t have enough energy left in me to have hope any more - it’s all getting too much. Having very dodgy thoughts of “shall I just end it?” or at the very least handing my kids over to someone else so they at least stand half a chance.

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Honeybee85 · 05/05/2019 16:25

I think you need to get some professional help OP. As soon as possible.
For you and your children.

Its horrible what has happened to you and perhaps therapy can help you to sort things out.
Sending you love and a big hug Flowers

barryfromclareisfit · 05/05/2019 16:27

It’s not you, it’s them.

The man-son, can he go and live with his gran? Get the police in involved, talk to them about what he did and said. You and the younger children need to be safe. He made a choice to be menacing to you, he wouldn’t have done that to others.

Sycamor3 · 05/05/2019 16:27

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RussellSprout · 05/05/2019 16:31

Get some therapy if you can.

I did this to find out why I kept having the same patterns in relationships despite trying everything I could not to. I didn't expect it to work but it did. You need to resolve it with the help of a skilled therapist otherwise you will keep attracting the same patterns over and over again no matter how much you try not to.

category12 · 05/05/2019 16:36

I'm so sorry, OP. Please consider speaking to the Samaritans if you're feeling so low.

Can you get a charity involved? You could try Young MInds or Respect. Or ask Women's Aid or other domestic abuse services to signpost you to support.

humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:37

Thanks for your replies Thanks

I had counselling (EMDR for PTSD) 2 years ago - it worked ever so slightly but whilst dealing with horrible memories has become easier and more matter of fact, it still doesn't solve the problems in front of me. And so much of this is from other people's behaviour that I actually can't control it! I agree I perhaps need more help but I think my oldest son is the one who needs it more right now - I just don't know what to do here.

His grandparents can't have him full time as they live too far away from his school for him to be able to continue the A-levels he's halfway through. I hope I don't have to get the police involved as that will scupper his big plans of wanting to work as a lawyer! I'm sure I'd be the big baddie who ruined his dream forever then. With that said, who would want a lawyer representing them that behaves like this on the sly? Not me. There isn't really anyone that he could live with other than me unfortunately.

And yes he doesn't treat anyone else like this - just us "the weak". The change in his personality has been horrifying and this is not who he was - I'm gutted, worried, angry - all at the same time. Not sure where to start.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 05/05/2019 16:38

Professional help for you, and contact the school.

Who do you know can force him to do a drugs test? That phone addiction is a sign he might be further involved than you like, OP, possibly with gangs or dealing.

ScreamingLadySutch · 05/05/2019 16:38

Has he changed his friendship group?

humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:39

Thanks for your biscuit @Sycamor3 - if you don't believe me that's fine but this is my mess of a life and it's real. I've been dealing with doubters like you all of my shitty life and it's tiring so if you want to cast doubt on me, could you please just report me and move along quietly without passive aggressiveness please - I'm already at breaking point.

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Grumpelstilskin · 05/05/2019 16:40

It’s a sensitive issue to give advice without unwittingly straying into victim blaming. There is a pattern though and sadly it seems on some level, you are replicating an abusive, possibly co-dependant relationship with all subsequent men since your father. I would also urge you to find a therapist to identify this pattern, you seem to fall into. Because it isn’t all a coincidence. And your eldest DS has obviously picked up the way men treat you, no matter what you might think. He needs to leave your house for a while till he can treat you and his siblings with respect. You owe your younger DC a safe upbringing at the very least. This is non-negotiable, regardless if you are willing to put up with his behaviour.

humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:45

Yes back to the GP and therapy for us both is the next step I think. Contacting the school is a good idea as well - maybe it will embarrass him to behave! It's a good school, but all boys and I have considered withdrawing him and putting him somewhere mixed but he wants to stay and it does seem a silly idea halfway through a-levels. I think he needs to meet more women so he learns a more respectful way of behaving though.

It's definitely not drugs. He doesn't drink or smoke either - mocks people that do. (This generation are being called boring by my baby boomer parents, but they're pretty sensible). Friendship group still more or less the same, although a few left after GCSE's. He doesn't go out and hardly ever sees his mates after school. Says he's not being bullied (I've asked) and that he lives school, his mates and teachers but openly admits to being too lazy to meet up with them outside of school. His mates seem a nice bunch but if anything just as lazy and screen addicted as him!

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:51

I'm not willing to put up with the behaviour and I'm not co-dependent with any of the men, that's the thing! As I said, I've ended all relationships pretty much as soon as the bad behaviour started (or very suddenly if I was hit or raped). I'm not weak minded and I've made sure (and partially been fortunate) that my kids haven't actually witnessed any of this behaviour - at least from my side. The father of my younger two kids, despite what he did, speaks highly of me to them and DS1. But DS1's dad is awful about me - I can't do anything to change that. It's so awful of him to give his kid split loyalties like that - especially when he's not been willing to do any of the child rearing himself!!!

I agree it's not an accident though. This is my fault somehow. They just either hate me from day 1 or grow to hate me and then justify their horrific behaviour for that reason. It's not nice feeling so hated and threatened. Especially when I've not done a bloody thing to any of them except hope for basic respect.

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 16:56

I'm also staying single through choice as well - I know I'll only pick another abuser and I'm not willing to do that to my little ones. I'm actually happy on my own. But I'll minimise any potential opportunities for them to witness unhealthy relationships by staying this way until they've grown up. Sucks for me but they come first.

But I don't what the hell to do about my oldest. Where could he even go? Does he really need his "safe" parent rejecting him as well? He really doesn't like living here but doesn't have any other options. I was thrown out if home at 17 when I was pregnant and I swore it would be different for my kids. And yet here we are.

I'm starting to get why people walk away. I can't break the cycle of abuse I suffered if literally no one else is willing to play ball. Perhaps they'd all do better if I fucked off? I'm really starting to believe that's the only option...

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Lucyccfc68 · 05/05/2019 16:58

Have you heard of the Freedom Programme. Could be very useful in breaking the cycle and recognising abusive relationships and helping your confidence.

Grumpelstilskin · 05/05/2019 17:03

It's not about fault. No one said that it was your fault and it makes you sound a bit of a passive-aggressive drama llama to announce that in your last post. Our earliest relationships do imprint on us and really do affect us on a subconscious level. There are a lot of nasty pricks out there and anyone can come across them. But there is a pattern you seem to have fallen into and it would be great if you can get help with identifying that. For every parent who insists that they shielded their kids from seeing them getting abused, there are thousands of children that remember vividly and are very painfully aware. You are being very naïve to assume your eldest did not witness any of that. He quite clearly has. It’s hard to deal with for a child and the conflicting emotions can turn into anger and contempt because he sees you as a victim. You do need to focus much more though on the safety and well-being of your younger children. They are getting abused by your eldest DS. That needs to be stopped instantly. That is on you.

AsleepAllDay · 05/05/2019 17:11

It's not your fault. Abuse is always the abuser's fault.

You are right that you need professional help for you AND your son. He has already start abusing you so I agree with other posters, he has to leave somehow. Otherwise your other kids will catch on and they will be the same. You don't want to be abused and bullied by your own three children too, do you?

humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 17:24

@Grumpelstilskin

Most of what DS1 has possibly witnessed has been at his dads house over the years. I sadly had no control over that. His dad would sometimes slag me and my then partner off (I would never retaliate). I have also subsequently learned that his dad once slammed him down on a bed! But I only found this out after DS1 had stopped speaking to his dad, or I'd have put a stop to contact there and then.

From my end, DS1 obviously wasn't yet born to witness my dad's behaviour or all the other incidents. He was 5 months old when I left his dad, so not old enough to remember his dads violence and then we lived alone for 9 years with my next partner only a visitor on weekends and occasional weekdays. He was very good with DS and we had a happy, healthy relationship for years. But any verbal crap he gave me was later on in the relationship and very carefully dished out on the weekends that my DS was at his dads, so thankfully not a party to it. After the little two were born, his substance abuse emerged and I left him and lived house before my youngest DC had even been born as I could see at some point it was going to escalate and I didn't want them to witness any grief from that (which to my knowledge they never did). And as I said, he beat me up only 6 months ago, years down the line and quite out if the blue - again unwitnessed as they were all at school (thank god). And they never even knew about me seeing anyone subsequently as it was incredibly fleeting and I had no plans to introduce them. This is what blows my mind because I did all the right things - shielded the kids, made sure I left relationships as soon as the red flags appeared and have tried to be fair all the way through and yet STILL I seem to be on the receiving end of all this hatred. Even you seem pissed of with me in your post, so I clearly bring it out in people for whatever reason yet I don't know I'm doing it!

I did everything by the book and it's not worked. Life really has handed me a shit deck of cards. My sister keeps telling me she's never known anyone as unlucky. And I struggle a lot with it. But losing the love of my son is killing me, so please go easy.

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 17:26

@Lucyccfc68 I have actually done the freedom programme, thank you! Thanks I'm a little better at sniffing out red flags from the get go but not going near any men for the foreseeable future. My son is a difficult issue as he needs support. But myself and the kids deserve peace as well.

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 17:30

@AsleepAllDay

No I don't at all. Sad And that's the way I see it going at this rate. In some ways I feel I'm not best placed to raise them. From a practical standpoint I do parenting "right" and I live them all to bits (and they make me laugh so much ❤️). But there's still this overhanging cloud of not being the right person for the job as I'll probably always be too damaged for people to respect me properly. And that includes my children.

Would you judge me if I gave them to family members or put them into care whilst I went off and checked myself in as an inpatient? Would this not cause further damage to them? Or would they thrive? I can't work it out...

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Grumpelstilskin · 05/05/2019 17:38

Sorry I was a bit harsh and I am not pissed off at all with you. But you need to protect your younger kids. Don't let them carry on in a similar cycle. I think although you have sought help before, you might need to keep trying until you find the right fit with someone that can help you crack that pattern. I am guessing and might be wrong but are you a people pleaser? If yes, it would be really good to say no and 'risk' pissing people off. People do spot someone they can take advantage off who wants to be loved. I was very much like that when much younger. So, I am not blaming you or getting annoyed with you, quite the opposite. I am sad to see someone else experiencing this recurring situation. I sounded very much like you.

youhavetouseanexistingholesir · 05/05/2019 17:42

I feel heartbroken for you @humanpunchbag. This is not your fault!!! I haven't been through what you have but I can relate to the things in your past hanging over you and feeling like you'll never be the right person for the job. I look other mums and desperately wish I could be more like them but I know a lot of it is circumstance & upbringing & things I can't fake. You need to find the strength to push for the support you need. I can tell from your post that you are smart and switched on and you love your kids so can do it!! Hopefully good comments will keep coming in this thread to help build you up a little. I truly wish you the best of luck.

LexMitior · 05/05/2019 17:54

I think you need to focus on the immediate problem which is your son.

You say you are worried about losing his love. I’m sorry to say this, but it does not sound like he loves you. He calls you a cunt and would like to punch you.

In my view, from what you have posted, you are not unlucky. You don’t listen. You are not listening now. You permit matters to carry on for far, far longer than is healthy for you. You do need therapy of some kind, but the first thing is to pay attention to the situation regarding your son.

Your son is a danger to you - what are you going to do?

humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 18:00

@Grumpelstilskin thank you for all your advice today Thanks and you've hit the nail on the head - I am a bit of a people pleaser! Or at least I used to be, not so much now I'm older. My boundaries are a lot healthier but perhaps the patterns are set? I've actually had the most abuse from these men the very minute I tried to put up any kind of resistance or boundary to their bad behaviour! For example, my last ex beat me up last year because (despite being split up already for years) I very calmly asked him to leave my house (he was round using my computer to look for jobs that morning) because he kept calling me names despite me trying to help find a job. I didn't even raise my voice to him - just said "if you can't be respectful then please leave and go and use the computer in the library - I'm trying to help you" (he was calling me a fucking moron/dickhead/fat cow/etc as I couldn't remember a password for something). He then literally jumped up, backed me into a corner and beat me up out of nowhere. Didn't like me asking for basic respect. It was 10am on a Wednesday morning - so, so random. He'd never done it before and his verbal grief had also subsided a lot since splitting from him - we had been in amicable terms so it was such a shock! I subsequently discovered that he'd been on a cocaine binge the night before.

It's been like that forever - I've never had a good or welcome response to standing up for myself from the time I spoke up about my abuse only to have my extended family wipe me off the face of their family tree. I'm seen as a troublemaker for speaking up in the face of these men's shitty behaviour when really I'm just a normal woman who is asking them to stop as it's getting too much. When most people put up a boundary, others back off and respect that. When I do it, it's very much "how fucking dare she? What a bitch - I'm not having that!" Despite the fact that they in fact have stronger boundaries for themselves and that's apparently fine!!! I guess what I don't get is why they almost always have to test that boundary straight away? Why they don't regard me with the same respect that they do others? That's what I have to work out and put a stop to. I also wouldn't have to put those walls up if they treated me decently in the first place!

Counselling I guess is they only way. I just hope it comes through for both me and him before there's another incident. I think I'm going to tell him when he returns that he has to come to the GP with me and tell them the truth about what he's been doing or he's going to have to find somewhere else to live even if it means messing up his schooling. As I can't risk the little ones any longer. And my mental health can't take much more either.

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humanpunchbag · 05/05/2019 18:02

Thanks everyone for your help Thanks I really do appreciate people taking the time...

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