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How do you tell your partner you don’t want to have sex?

81 replies

Lululu3 · 02/05/2019 15:15

I find it really difficult to let him know when I’m not in the mood - it’s causing a lot of problems.

OP posts:
JustBeenNosey · 03/05/2019 09:22

@Lululu3 yeah I'm taking max dose of mirtazapine.. but I'm thinking of changing back to sertraline or something.

Me and my ex ended up splitting up, it just wasn't working.

He said He felt like I didn't care or didn't love him anymore which is probably because I never wanted to have sex.

Even now, We've been split up for 5 months and still, sex doesn't interest me. A lot of my friends are like, just go out and meet someone, you'll never know what might happen😏
I couldn't think of anything worse 😂😂

Hidingtonothing · 03/05/2019 11:54

You need to talk to him OP. This sounds like something you've brought with you from your previous relationship rather than a mismatched libido issue or pressure from him. Tell him what you've told us about how the thought of saying no makes you feel and work out a way to fix it together. I find talking about anything sex-related really difficult, as does my DH, so we've had to find ways of communicating that don't make us want to curl up and die Blush If your relationship is good he will want to know how you're feeling and help find a solution.

ScreamingLadySutch · 03/05/2019 12:48

I'm always up for it Blush

Lululu3 · 05/05/2019 23:29

Thank you all for taking the time to reply. I’ve been thinking about what everyone said.

The problem is definitely not a mismatched libido or pressure from him.

If I’m being completely honest I do worry that I’ll ask him to stop and he won’t want to or he’ll think less of me/our relationship. This has happened in previous relationships.

I agree that him knowing the signs I want to go ahead is probably better than relying on me to say no.

It does make me feel very upset to struggle with this. I feel like a pushover Sad

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DBML · 06/05/2019 00:04

If my husband turned me down for sex every so often, I would understand. If he had a big day ahead, or felt poorly etc, of course I would not feel angry.

However, if my husband frequently turned me down as far as sex is concerned then I would be distraught. At best, I am moody and grumpy if I haven’t had sex in a few days. If he kept saying no, I can’t imagine how hurt and miserable I would feel.

So it depends op, on how often you want to say no.

I’ll get flamed no doubt, but I’m of the belief that if you expect monogamy, then your partner should be able to expect you to fulfil his sexual needs. If you are happy for a more open relationship, then he should not feel so disappointed if you say no, as he can go elsewhere.

If a person really doesn’t want a regular sexual relationship when their partner does, then it’s really not fair on either and resentment will grow. Affairs will probably happen. The best thing to do is speak to your dp and either compromise on a quantity of sex you are both happy with or agree to find someone else more suited to your own libido.
I love my husband to pieces. We’ve been together since 1996, but, I could not live a sexless existence and it would be unfair for him to ask me to.

Lululu3 · 06/05/2019 07:17

Thanks for getting that off your chest. That’s not my situation at all.

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BertieBotts · 06/05/2019 08:11

It sounds like you've experienced relationships where partners have overridden your boundaries or pressurised you into sex (both of those things are sexual abuse, BTW) and you're having a hard time relaxing and trusting that your current partner isn't going to be the same way, even though he's never done either.

I get that and I understand the fear about being honest. When you've been abused in the past it's difficult to just throw off those guards you've built up to protect you. Sometimes it can even lead to a fear/revulsion/anxiety around sex in general which isn't a nice place to be. It's very complicated I find with sex because often the guarded reaction is to go along with something while pretending it's all fine to avoid aggression or disapproval, and that can sort of get in the way of the actual enjoyment of sex.

How long have you been with your current partner? Would it be helpful to see it as a powerful thing - that you'll tell him, and his reaction will then be yours to decide how to react to? So for example if he is horrified and sympathetic and promises to check you're OK, then that's great - a green light. But if he is dismissive or laughs about it or uses it to get what he wants, that's a red light and you have the absolute right and the power to end the relationship?

I know when I first got together with my now DH I had decided that I never wanted to be in a relationship with somebody who didn't respect my boundaries, and that being single would be preferable, so I told him about feeling like this, about not feeling I "should" say no even though he had never expressed any desire or intent to coerce or force me, and we talked about it - I can't remember how I brought it up now but it was difficult - and he absolutely categorically said 100% to just stop any time, and it didn't matter if it was in the middle of things, and that he would have no reason to be angry about it ever. I then spent a few weeks doing just that sort of to "test" it out and see how he would react Blush - he never once lost patience or seemed annoyed. It was like he totally 100% believed that my body was my own and he didn't have the right to use it unless I actively and enthusiastically offered Confused - I know in theory, that's a totally normal and healthy expectation, but at the time I wondered what is the catch and when is it going to run out because I don't quite trust this. We have been together 8 years. I do now feel 100% confident in just saying "Actually this isn't doing anything for me right now" (and then changing or stopping). We have found a balance too. However, I still don't really know how to explain to him that while he hears/thinks "sex" and his brain goes "Ooh a lovely intimate cuddle with orgasm" my brain thinks/hears "sex" and goes "danger" (Of pain, discomfort, of being pushed past my boundaries, of feeling forced to do something I find disgusting, of mess, of pregnancy, that awful post-coital drip, of cystitis, of hard work for no reward, etc). I try to reframe it to myself, and I haven't been with anyone sexually abusive for almost 10 years, but that association is properly burned in deep and probably won't ever completely go away. So it's easier for me if we communicate more indirectly.

I didn't read it until later but I found the book Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski to be helpful too, although that was more about finding my own sexuality rather than seeing it as being the property of somebody else. TBH I am quite surprised that you haven't had more responses "getting it" - as I thought this was quite a common/normal experience and way to feel - clearly not Blush

Hidingtonothing · 06/05/2019 09:21

I think Bertie's approach sounds really sensible (wish someone had suggested that to me a few years back Smile) and a brilliant way to 'test out' boundaries in your relationship OP. And Bertie I think it is normal to feel like this if you've encountered sexual abuse in some form, thats why we get it and others may not Flowers

Scott72 · 06/05/2019 11:16

But men are only human too, and many will experience and express some degree of frustration under these circumstances, even if only mild and occasional and immediately apologized for. Is any expression of frustration acceptable on his part, or do you need a man, like Bertie's SO, who seems to never do so?

AnyFucker · 06/05/2019 11:25

perhaps an orgasm or two would lift your bad mood. Sheesh!

Congratulations...misogyny 101

I'm always up for it

Congratulations...on demonstrating how thick someone can be

Op, Bertie has given you fantastic insight and advice. Listen to her not these dolts who don't even try to understand where you are coming from

DBML · 06/05/2019 11:41

Bertie has found someone she sounds completely in tune with. That’s wonderful and the ultimate goal.

However, for the sake of balance, just because someone gets frustrated, resentful or moody about lack of sex, doesn’t make them an abuser or a bad person.

As a person with a high sex drive, the frustration can be horrendous. The rejection painful. The lack of affection feels cruel.

So, the point I simply make is that it’s easier to wait for a partner with a similar libido or one who can live without regular sex as they don’t see it as such a big deal. Or of course, allow the relationship to be open for them.

DBML · 06/05/2019 11:42

Just to add, my husband’s needs in the relationship don’t trump mine and my needs don’t trump my husband’s. We both have to either find out compromise or go our own ways to be fair to the other.

Scott72 · 06/05/2019 11:54

"However, for the sake of balance, just because someone gets frustrated, resentful or moody about lack of sex, doesn’t make them an abuser or a bad person."

That was my point. It seems unfair to label any expression of frustration as automatically abusive.

DBML · 06/05/2019 11:56

Exactly...but if all you want to do is learn to say no, now and again when you don’t feel like it, simply...

“Not tonight hun” with a cuddle and a kiss should suffice.

BertieBotts · 06/05/2019 12:43

DBML, with respect, I don't think this narrative is especially helpful in the context of somebody who has suffered sexual abuse learning to believe she has the right to say nah, not right now, thanks. The problem to overcome is believing that denying/refusing sex is a really awful, nasty, rejecting, personal thing to do to somebody, when really it is not. It is not about the other person. It is nothing to do with them. It is about OP and how she feels. And of course a partner is allowed to feel frustrated or disappointed or rejected, as long as they don't take it out on their partner, or act like it is their partner's fault.

In any case it doesn't sound like the OP's partner does have an especially high sex drive or is feeling frustrated with a lack of sex, so that's not even the problem here. I can appreciate it's very difficult to be in that situation but that's not the situation they are in.

I would not describe DH and I as "completely in tune", but we respect each other and commuicate. I don't doubt he would bite my arm off if I suddenly decided I was up for sex twice a day every day. I'm not, and he's fine with that, and it works for us.

DBML · 06/05/2019 13:00

Have I missed something? Where does it say op was sexually abused?

DBML · 06/05/2019 13:01

Just to add that I’m not trying to be funny, I’ve genuinely reread the thread and can’t find that information.

Hidingtonothing · 06/05/2019 13:13

I don't think anyone has labelled any expression of frustration as abusive Scott Confused OP has already said she's encountered men who 'don't want to stop' which, to someone with experience of abuse, paints a very clear picture and goes well beyond an 'expression of frustration'. I agree with Bertie, very few posters on this thread are 'getting it' in terms of understanding what's at the root of this and that's not going to be helpful to OP.

BertieBotts · 06/05/2019 13:15

Reading between the lines somewhat. But OP mentioned a couple of times that previous partners of hers have not stopped when she asked or have reacted negatively/aggressively ("went off on one", went to sleep on the sofa) when she said no to sex, and that the problem isn't that her partner wants to force her or is angry when she doesn't want sex but that she fears he would be, even though she thinks this is unfounded due to other behaviours of his. People aren't usually scared that their partner won't respect their wishes in the bedroom unless they've experienced that in the past.

Conversely, I haven't seen OP say that her current partner is frustrated with the amount of sex in their relationship or that she wants to have very little or no sex, just that she struggles to verbalise it when she isn't in the mood, which happens to everyone sometimes and is happening to her more than usual due to reduced libido from a medication.

BertieBotts · 06/05/2019 13:17

Sorry, not being in the mood being the thing that happens to everyone. Struggling to verbalise not being.

Of course it should be simple to say "not tonight hun" but it's not. That's the problem. It not being simple.

DBML · 06/05/2019 13:22

Ok thank you for clarifying.

I’ve stormed off and slept on the sofa when my partner didn’t want sex with me. I felt rejected and hurt. It wasn’t a choice to try to manipulate or be coercive, it was an expression of frustration and despair, so I still struggle with this being labelled as some form of sexual abuse.

I guess perhaps I will never be able to see things from an alternative point of view due to my own experience and feelings, so with respect to the op, I shall bow out of the thread and allow her to focus on the responses she perhaps would rather hear.

FinallyHere · 06/05/2019 14:08

I just don’t know how to get over this fear of saying no.

One way to get over any fear of anything, is to do it over and over again so that you know nothing bad will happen.

How often have you said no to him about anything?

Lululu3 · 10/05/2019 15:13

DBML im not accusing you of being abusive. I don’t know the dynamics of your relationship, why your partner didn’t want to have sex or how you storming off made them feel.
In my experience storming off was more than an expression of frustration. One of many expressions of frustration...

Thank you for acknowledging our experiences are different.

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Lululu3 · 10/05/2019 15:19

Bertie and others thank you for getting it, although it’s upsetting we get each other so easily....

I hoped I was missing some simple information about saying no and that by hearing how other women say it a lightbulb would go off and everything would be ok.

Clearly not. It upsets and annoys me so much that even after all this time and despite having such a caring and supportive partner I’m still not over what those despicable men did.

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puma84 · 10/05/2019 15:24

Not tonight Pedro.

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