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Is he just not that into me? Crush. Be honest. I can take it!

67 replies

bougainvillaeax · 03/04/2019 23:30

Long time poster, NC. I posted in 90 days only back in January. Sorry, I sound like a gushing teenager below. As in, a fifteen year old texting a friend about her crush. I promise I am not a teenager. Please indulge me briefly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/ninety_days_only/3482564-Help-me-interpret-a-hot-and-cold-crush-Relatively-meagre-amount-of-interaction

The sole respondent had some good advice, which I took!

Since then we’ve seen each other a few more times. You know that thing where you know someone likes you. I know he does!

Most recently i was back where he works and it was a slow day so we spent a couple of hours talking again, and covered that I would likely stay in his country for at least another three and hopefully more months (depending on the authorities in that country); he asked me whether I’d go for citizenship after that and I flatly said no. We walked back to his car together after he had finished his shift. I mentioned that I likely wouldn’t be back at his institution for various reasons (though as said I’d still be in the area for the at least the above timespan). In all honesty the reasons to not return to the institution were true; but I also wondered whether it would draw his hand and see whether he wanted to keep in contact or ask me out. He offered me a lift; even though I only lived a short walk up the road, and said it was hardly worth a lift, he was pleased when I accepted it. When we got to my destination and just before I got out of the car there was just this pause where I felt he maybe wasn’t going to say anything. So I said ‘Will we keep in touch?’, so he said quite defensively, again in that manner of a slight fear of ‘I know you might reject this about me’: ‘Well I only have email, I don’t have a phone or anything like that, so if that’s okay... do you have a good memory, or are you going to write it down?’ I said (I thought this was a lightbulb moment for me as he could initiate contact if he wanted to in that traditional gender role manner!) I’d write down my email address for him and he just had that look again - it sounds like I’m overinterpreting it (admittedly I might be!) but I feel he almost sets me mini tests, and when I fail them he has this look and demeanour, like, yeah, I knew you’d do that/an air of slightly sarcastic ‘ok then’. (As per my 90-day thread). By which I mean, I interpret it that he took it as proof of my not being sufficiently interested, or of not going about things in the right way, vs my taking his email address.

After that I asked him to read out my email address and made a show of making double sure he could read my handwriting. (It’s an actual possibility he doesn’t have a phone, as that is consistent with some of his other choices and values).

That was a month ago this Thursday Sad

He spent a lot of the time we were talking telling me about how busy he was this month - honestly showing off a bit (in a nice way) about all the new roles he had been asked to take on.

He works at a couple of other institutions in town as he was keen to tell me.

I don’t know what to do now. I feel deep down he really likes me. I normally convince myself of the opposite but there’s just something about him/it. He has always been almost obsessively honest about his shortcomings (not self depracating, but almost laying out his stall clearly from day 1 - almost like he was always giving me ample opportunity to reject him at each stage, if that makes any sense).

I also think he is terribly sensitive and self protective.

One thing that came up in conversation this last time is he is a little bit older than I thought he was and he was clearly worried about telling me. He in hindsight alluded strongly to that in our second ever conversation five months ago.

Is it:

  1. He’s just not that into me
I guess that means our conversations and his flirting were a way to pass the time for him?
  1. He is and I need to wait out an email
  2. He is and won’t contact me because he thinks I’m ambivalent/I just want to be friends/think he’s too old? He doesn’t actually know I’m very close to his age.
  3. He is and because of the fact we met through the institution he won’t contact me?
  4. He was interested but has changed his mind?

My options are to visit one of the other institutions he works at - he showed me a file of the things he is working on for a program he is developing there; or go back to the original institution, though I feel this latter would be a bad move given what I’d already said about returning. As regards the former, I don’t want to make a fool of myself if this thread draws the consensus that it would be. It’s a major institution though and he knows I regularly visit ones of that type, so I have a legitimate reason to be there, if only once.

One other slight thing that concerned me is that he doesn’t ask me too much about myself; I don’t know whether that was again self protective on his behalf, or that I talk about myself quite a lot anyway Blush. Or that he didn’t want to be intrusive, which is a genuine possibility as one thing I like about him is that he has good boundaries, if that makes sense.

I always thought if a man likes you he will find a way to seek you out and spend more time with you. I am 50/50 as to whether he simply doesn’t like me enough to do that; or, he suspects me of ambivalence and seeking only friendship, and he doesn’t want to get hurt.

I suspect you all will have a clear reader of this!

Thank you for getting to the end of my saga!

OP posts:
ConfCall · 03/04/2019 23:38

The thing that strikes me is that you gave him your email address a month ago and he’s failed to use it.

SpannerD · 03/04/2019 23:43

I think giving him ur email and him not using it for a month is a clear sign - really sorry Blush

Eslteacher06 · 03/04/2019 23:44

I think you need to read that book 'He's not that into you' again.

Either that or he's attached. I really would give it up as a bad job.

Orlandointhewilderness · 03/04/2019 23:44

Sorry OP - He isn't interested. Not enough to spend 30 seconds typing 'Hey, how are you?' and press send. I'm guessing 1

Move on, plenty more fish etc!

SelkieRinnNaMara · 03/04/2019 23:50

I agree, no response is a response iykwim.

He likes you enough to chat to you and enough to give you a lift but not enough to ask you out.

Forget him.

ukgift2016 · 04/04/2019 01:48

If you have to chase a man, he is not into you. Giving him your email was giving him that power and he wasn't interested.

bougainvillaeax · 04/04/2019 02:09

Thanks all! Gosh I wasn’t expecting that to be honest. I totally fooled myself. Oh I feel like a fool but hey ho.

@ukgift2016 do you mean he was interested but I killed it?

It was basically five months of me paying to see him - admittedly it was entry to the institution and he wasn’t always there, but I thought things had to move on one way or another. Should I have not offered him my email; or was it all a done deal (or rather ‘no deal!) at that point! I hoped I was being vague enough about whether I was romantically interested vs interested as friends. I guess I was hoping for that interpretation - that he thought I just wanted friendship so didn’t bother, and that by ‘bumping into him’ again I could somehow... not sure! Oh I don’t know. I am a silly billy!

OP posts:
JimJamTimTam · 04/04/2019 02:24

Think of it like a percentage thing where someone liking you 0% means they hate you and 100% is they are totally infatuated with you. I think mixed messages often come in when someone likes you say 70% - you’re an option, they like you a bit, but not enough to do anything about it

StressToy · 04/04/2019 02:53

OP, even the language of your post is making more of your interaction than is warranted — you talk about having seen one another a few more times, but it emerges later that this has only happened because you have paid to enter a publc institution he works at, and he wasn’t even always there. And you say it was a ‘slow day’ so you talked at length and you walked him to his car after he’d finished his shift, and you tell him about your plans to stay in the country, and you ask if you’re going to stay in touch and you offer your email, and you check he’s got it right.

He, on the other hand, has never made any effort to see you, does not ask you about yourself, did not ask to stay in touch or volunteer his contact details, talked a lot about being busy, and has not got in touch in a month.

There’s your answer, OP. Whatever he feels, it’s not enough to make him contact you. Move on.

bougainvillaeax · 04/04/2019 03:25

Hi @StressToy,

Yes that’s all correct, the sole exception was that he was the one to ask me about my plans and how long I’d be staying, and then asked whether I’d seek citizenship. Written out coldly in black and white it looks awful.

We have talked in depth about quite personal things; he has told me a lot about his life and decisions, shortcomings and things he is proud of. One late night when he was on a shift and I was going he did say ‘you’re leaving already?’ in a very flirty manner - that was a night when he had complemented me about my appearance in front of other men present.

I sound like a crazed wind up toy going round in circles don’t I. I cannot dispute what you and other posters have laid out in front of me. I really ought to know better but I suppose I am clinging onto this hope that his actions can all be explained by the fact he is scared of rejection... is this utterly laughable?

Sorry to keep going on. If you need to keep slapping me with a wet fish do it.

OP posts:
Monty27 · 04/04/2019 03:30

Here's a catfish 🐠

pissedonatrain · 04/04/2019 04:29

No, he's not into you.
He's made zero effort at all and the things you perceived as flirty were just being nice as you would to any other patron.

Don't follow him to other places to see him. It's creepy.
Stop making up ideas in your head of reasons he hasn't made a move. He's not afraid of rejection or anything else.

He's simply not interested.

noodlenosefraggle · 04/04/2019 04:33

It's likely that he knows you are interested in him and he is playing with you to boost his own ego with the flirting etc. If he wanted to be in touch, he would have found a way by now. What's the alternative to you just giving it up as a bad job? Going on and on wondering when he's going to make his move? Spending more time, energy and money tracking him down and engineering a meeting? You're doing all that and he can't even be bothered to email you. It speaks volumes.

MerryMarigold · 04/04/2019 04:49

You've told him your not staying in his country. End of story. He doesn't want a broken heart. Are you after one?

Candace19 · 04/04/2019 04:55

He sounds unavailable. He might be put off by the fact you're only there for a short time?
There could be lots of reasons try not to beat yourself up.

category12 · 04/04/2019 05:29

If he was interested, he'd use your email. It doesn't really matter what his thinking is, he's chosen not to use it. Give it up, op.

NameChangeNugget · 04/04/2019 07:18

From what you’ve posted, he’s not scared of rejection, he’s not interested.

ScreamingValenta · 04/04/2019 07:21

If you have to post a thread on Mumsnet to ask if a man is interested, then he probably isn't.

thesunwillout · 04/04/2019 07:33

Very clever

KOKOtiltomorrow · 04/04/2019 07:33

OP please listen to what people are saying. You say you are but every post contains something where you pick out a crumb that he might be....there might be a " good reason" for his behaviour (e.g. scared of rejection). It's not. He's just not into you. It hurts like he'll but that's the truth and you can't make him. Move on.

lifebegins50 · 04/04/2019 07:35

He isn't interested but perhaps if you chased him hard, made it really easy for him, you might move to a date type scenario but ob would it be painful.

Ask yourself why you are obsessing over this man? This is more important to resolve as will help you move on.

Btw, he sounds like he has red flags, defensive and dismissive when you dont go along with remembering his email.

BiscuitDrama · 04/04/2019 07:40

Even if he was interested in you, and he hasn’t emailed you because you gave him your email address instead of taking his, do you really want to be involved with someone like that?
It really shouldn’t be that hard.

MaybeitsMaybelline · 04/04/2019 07:41

Given that you are only staying in his country for a couple more months and don’t intend to make a life there, is he thinking “what’s the point”?

Whatififall · 04/04/2019 07:42

I don’t understand - did you work together? Or does he work at a museum you visited, and kept visiting even if sometimes he wasn’t on shift?

Regardless, he is not interested. Whether that is because you’re leaving soon and he doesn’t want to get involved or whether that is because you basically stalk him who knows.

Sarcelle · 04/04/2019 07:57

Let it go.